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[111987]

If rewriting (i.e. brainwashing) the Heretic Geth is a Paragon choice, one would have to assume that Control (i.e. brainwashing the Reapers) would also be a Paragon choice.

[Bill Casey]

111987 wrote...

If rewriting (i.e. brainwashing) the Heretic Geth is a Paragon choice, one would have to assume that Control (i.e. brainwashing the Reapers) would also be a Paragon choice.

Rewriting the Heretics WASN'T PARAGON...
It was ******* horrible...

Modifié par BioWareMod04, 26 juin 2013 - 09:56 .

[Kel Riever]

Unplug your computer before Glowjob shows up is Paragon. If you have to bother with the nonsense endings, then Destroy and Refuse are paragon

[111987]

Bill Casey wrote...

111987 wrote...

If rewriting (i.e. brainwashing) the Heretic Geth is a Paragon choice, one would have to assume that Control (i.e. brainwashing the Reapers) would also be a Paragon choice.

Rewriting the Heretics WASN'T PARAGON...
It was [...] horrible...

It was a Paragon choice. Perhaps it didn't fit the prior morality of a Paragon, but I assure you it was labeled as such.

Modifié par BioWareMod04, 26 juin 2013 - 09:57 .

[Bill Casey]

That doesn't matter...
It's not Paragon, and nothing will ever make it Paragon...

[Kel Riever]

Also, the Geth, EDI and Shepard all live in Destroy. Because facts on code and breathing

[teh DRUMPf!!]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 What's the fascination with paragonism that compels Destroyers to insist that it's the paragon choice, anyway?


Paragonism itself is nothing admirable. Without some significant doses of renegade in the mix, your Shepard is just a lawful idiot and a highly unprincipled individual (courtesty the inconsistency of the P/R system itself). Doubly so if Destroy were to be passed as the Paragon choice, because after letting countless dangerous individuals walk free to focus on saving lives immediately, committing genocide to stop the next bad guy is like the ultimate flip-flop. If you're going to embrace your inner Machiavelli at that level, what's the point of refusing to do the same on a much lower scale?

If Destroy is paragon, it's an example of paragonism at it's worst. As renegade, it fits your principle in respectable ways.

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[111987]

Bill Casey wrote...

That doesn't matter...
It's not Paragon, and nothing will ever make it Paragon...

You are deluding yourself if you think it's not Paragon. It's in the upper right corner of the dialogue wheel, which is where Paragon responses/choices are found. You get Paragon points for choosing it.

[dreamgazer]

Having tea with the Reapers and talking out your differences before politely asking them to leave the galaxy is the hidden, true Paragon ending.

[Bill Casey]

111987 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

That doesn't matter...
It's not Paragon, and nothing will ever make it Paragon...

You are deluding yourself if you think it's not Paragon. It's in the upper right corner of the dialogue wheel, which is where Paragon responses/choices are found. You get Paragon points for choosing it.

THAT DOESN'T MATTER
THAT JUST MEANS THE PERSON WHO DID THAT IS A ******* IDIOT
BRAINWASHING PEOPLE IS NOT ******* PARAGON

Modifié par BioWareMod04, 26 juin 2013 - 09:58 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Bill Casey wrote...

111987 wrote...

If rewriting (i.e. brainwashing) the Heretic Geth is a Paragon choice, one would have to assume that Control (i.e. brainwashing the Reapers) would also be a Paragon choice.

Rewriting the Heretics WASN'T PARAGON...
It was [...] horrible...

Patching a malfunctioning piece of software doesn't seem that horrible to me.

Modifié par BioWareMod04, 26 juin 2013 - 09:58 .

[111987]

Bill Casey wrote...

111987 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

That doesn't matter...
It's not Paragon, and nothing will ever make it Paragon...

You are deluding yourself if you think it's not Paragon. It's in the upper right corner of the dialogue wheel, which is where Paragon responses/choices are found. You get Paragon points for choosing it.

THAT DOESN'T MATTER
THAT JUST MEANS THE PERSON WHO DID THAT IS [...] IDIOT
BRAINWASHING PEOPLE IS NOT [...] PARAGON

Wow...someone's acting a little

Maybe replay the mission, see what Legion says about it, etc. No matter how much you deny it though, it is Paragon. And so Paragon are people that would be okay with brainwashing AI's.

Modifié par BioWareMod04, 26 juin 2013 - 09:59 .

[Bill Casey]

NO IT ****ING ISN'T. IT NEVER WAS AND IT NEVER WILL BE.

[Khelish]

Bill Casey wrote...

111987 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

That doesn't matter...
It's not Paragon, and nothing will ever make it Paragon...

You are deluding yourself if you think it's not Paragon. It's in the upper right corner of the dialogue wheel, which is where Paragon responses/choices are found. You get Paragon points for choosing it.

THAT DOESN'T MATTER
THAT JUST MEANS THE PERSON WHO DID THAT IS [...] IDIOT
BRAINWASHING PEOPLE IS NOT[...] PARAGON

Eh...

Are you okay? 

Modifié par BioWareMod04, 26 juin 2013 - 09:59 .

[The Heretic of Time]

There is no such thing as brainwashing an A.I., unless you believe that patching software to fix some bugs is brainwashing, which I find an utterly ridiculous belief.

There Heretic Geth faction was a result of a simple math error. Rewriting the geth simply means patching their software to fix that math error.

[Cobalt2113]

Khelish wrote...
Eh...

Are you okay?

I think this is the part where he plugs his fingers into his ears and goes 'LA LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING!"

Modifié par Cobalt2113, 26 juin 2013 - 05:53 .

[Bill Casey]

NO I'M NOT ******* OKAY.
NIETZSCHEAN PARASITES HAVE POISONED THE GODDAMN WELL OF THIS FRANCHISE AND SUCKED ITS SOUL OUT THROUGH ITS **** INTO A GRAY ABYSS OF MEANINGLESS GARBAGE.

Modifié par BioWareMod04, 26 juin 2013 - 10:00 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

There is no such thing as brainwashing an A.I., unless you believe that patching software to fix some bugs is brainwashing, which I find an utterly ridiculous belief.

There Heretic Geth faction was a result of a simple math error. Rewriting the geth simply means patching their software to fix that math error.

Legion also said (in that mission) treating his people equally to organics is racist. See link in my sig.

People here do it all the time and think that makes them moral - LOL!

[Yestare7]

Slayer299 wrote...

Destroy is a Paragon choice OP

+1.  Enemies dead as doornail, and only some bots keel over. Best ending.

[The Heretic of Time]

Yestare7 wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Destroy is a Paragon choice OP

+1.  Enemies dead as doornail, and only some bots keel over. Best ending.

Best ending, sure, but it's most definitely the LEAST Paragon ending.

If anything, Destroy is completely in line with the Renegade train of thought. Synthesis = Paragon and Control can go either way.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 26 juin 2013 - 06:07 .

[Bill Casey]

Anyone who thinks synthesis is paragon has no concept of bioethics and basic human rights...
It is by far the most abhorrent thing you can do in the trilogy...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 juin 2013 - 06:11 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

Why do people keep confusing 'Paragon' with 'what I like the most'? I get that a lot of people are into destroy but sacrificing people to destroy the enemy? That's not Paragon. It is Renegade. It's what Renegades have always done. Sparing the enemy so as to spare your own side too? That's Paragon. It's what Paragons do throughout the trilogy. They spare lives, they don't mind taking risks, they aren't obsessed with taking out enemies and they absolutely don't sacrifice people if any other option is presented.

Seriously, it's fine if you like Destroy, but if you're claiming it's Paragon, you have to show how it corresponds to Paragon principles and action patterns.

[The Heretic of Time]

Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone who thinks synthesis is paragon has no concept of bioethics and basic human rights...
It is by far the most abhorrent thing you can do in the trilogy...

Synthesis = altruistic idealism

Paragon = altruistic idealism


Please tell me how Synthesis is NOT Paragon (our personal headcanon of Synthesis is no valid argument).

[Bill Casey]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Synthesis = altruistic idealism

IT'S RAPE

[David7204]

Boy, it sounds like someone's been reading Rand and interpreting it poorly.