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[Bill Casey]

I choose Refuse and we still win, regardless of what Bioware says...

[Galbrant]

I don't think destroy is paragon.... brutally pragmatic but not paragon.

[Bill Casey]

MegaSovereign wrote...

That's a really small minority of Geth, I don't think Kenny was talking about them.

You didn't read his post then...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Also Control is worse for Geth than destroy. Geth either become slaves in control or the die free in destroy (and can possibly be rebuilt)

oh and before you say anything about controlling Geth let me finish.

1. post Rannoch there are still Reaper controlled Geth. Tevos says this over vid-comm

2. In Control Shepard simply replaces the Starchild. Meaning Shep controls what the Catalyst controls. Including the reaper-controlled Geth

And?

There are many organics it controls as well.

Reapers can release control of their thralls, though (the end of ME2 shows this).

I dont thing of slavery as very paragon.

Then why did Paragon Shepard let a self-admitted batarian slaver (Charn) walk free in Bring Down the Sky DLC?



Let's not forget the paragon option of Legion's loyalty mission, either.

Im pretty sure a lot of slaves in the 1800s would rather be dead.

Unless one is incredibly weak-willed, a sucky life does not so "surely" entail wanting to die.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 15 juin 2013 - 01:54 .

[KENNY4753]

I was mainly refer to them Megasovereign althought I believe control should have controlled all Geth since the crucible apparently doesnt discriminate

[MegaSovereign]

Bill Casey wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

That's a really small minority of Geth, I don't think Kenny was talking about them.

You didn't read his post then...

You're right, I skimmed it and I thought he said Geth with Reaper-code.

I guess you could apply some headcanon and say that the Reaper-controlled Geth returned to Geth consensus.

[KENNY4753]

@HYR

they can release control of their thralls true but do they in Control?

also Shep should control those indoctrinated too

and I dont agree with the BDtS thing either. letting a slaver live is not paragon just as brainwashing the heretics is wrongly considered paragon

[MegaSovereign]

KENNY4753 wrote...

I was mainly refer to them Megasovereign althought I believe control should have controlled all Geth since the crucible apparently doesnt discriminate

Well there are plenty of reasons why I believe that not all synthetics are controlled. The Catalyst was pretty thorough in his explanation of the pros and cons of each ending and I think that's a pretty big detail to leave out. Also, in the Control ending EDI appears to be behaving normally.

[KaiserShep]

AlanC9 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I guess it really depends on how one sees it. For me, there is absolutely nothing I find valuable in the other options, regardless of what the epilogue tells us. My suspension of disbelief stops dead right there. 

Meaning that the epilogue is telling lies, or that it isn't talking about the important stuff?

No, I don't believe that the epilogue is trying to deceive anyone. My problem is that whatever believability I had left was spent at the options given. There's no good reason I'd consider control or synthesis to be good options in any way, judging from every event that led to this encounter, due in large part to the fact that the package comes with surviving reapers, which I would find to be 100% unacceptable. 

[KENNY4753]

You may have misunderstood. I meant that when the endings were being made BW shouls have made control control all synthetics to even out destroying killinfg them all. I know BW decided to make control look better and I think they messed up there

[Auintus]

Between your two options, I'd say Control. Choosing certain failure isn't paragon or renegade. It's just stupid.

[jtav]

@MegaSovereign

But Refuse does have the speech, which seems very principled/stupid. It's the whole, I won'r compromise aspect. I kind of want to drop an anvil on Shep's head here, so I'm not concerned with results.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

KENNY4753 wrote...

and I dont agree with the BDtS thing either. letting a slaver live is not paragon just as brainwashing the heretics is wrongly considered paragon

You say that as if the paragon path was so admirable and straight-shooting to begin with. Kinda cute.

[Steelcan]

jtav wrote...

@MegaSovereign

But Refuse does have the speech, which seems very principled/stupid. It's the whole, I won'r compromise aspect. I kind of want to drop an anvil on Shep's head here, so I'm not concerned with results.

Refuse reeks of Lawful stupid.

[KENNY4753]

Well it was sort of straight shooting. pick the upper dialogue choice. thats pretty straightfoward.

I guess my definition of paragon is different than BWs in somecases. Oh well...

[Han Shot First]

KENNY4753 wrote...

neither. destroy is the paragon way

[Steelcan]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Well it was sort of straight shooting. pick the upper dialogue choice. thats pretty straightfoward.

I guess my definition of paragon is different than BWs in somecases. Oh well...

This mindset is why paragon/renegade needs to go, like now NOW!

[KENNY4753]

@Steelcan dont get me wrong i am not one of those ppl who choose the upper option just bc it will give paragon points. I choose what I think it best. I do not have a full paragon/full renegade game. My post was sarcasm.

[Steelcan]

KENNY4753 wrote...

@Steelcan dont get me wrong i am not one of those ppl who choose the upper option just bc it will give paragon points. I choose what I think it best. I do not have a full paragon/full renegade game. My post was sarcasm.

Then i apologize, but this mindset is fairly prevalent.

[KENNY4753]

no apologies needed and I agree that the way the system is is flawed big time. I dont mind the idea but they should do something to improve it

[SeptimusMagistos]

Bill Casey wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't think the Geth are controlled. You see the same Geth/Reaper slide if you choose Synthesis and destroyed the Quarians on Rannoch.

But there are Reaper controlled Geth when you pick Control...

They can be freed just by having the Reapers in question move out of range.

[frostajulie]

StreetMagic wrote...

Paragon Shep thinks he/she knows better than everyone, so Control is fitting.

this is how I justify an option not refuse for paragon shep she's a very arrogant I know best kind of person.