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[teh DRUMPf!!]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


That was ME2, not ME3.

And let me ask you this. Are Hard Drives alive? No. Do many of them have data? Yes. Therefore you can get data and information from dead things. There's a field called forensics. One gets information from dead things. There's also an field called cyberforensics. We could pry knowledge out them. Sorry I win.

Congratulations. You win.

Still a working machine is more valuable than a broken one.

Which goes back to my main point.

StreetMagic wrote...

"Yeah, you didn't think so"?

You don't have to answer that for me. I'm not quite "naturally living", but I'm not worse off for how much I've slimmed down. I think I could take it or leave it. I don't have a car anymore, don't use a cell phone, don't care about anyone enough to be connected all the time, and if I could manage it, I'd move to Greenland if I could. The only thing daunting to me is the amount of red tape and paperwork/immigration crap. Also, I like shooting a bow more than guns. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

And yet, still on the internet, and gaming. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

[Nightdragon8]

here we go again.... there is no alignment with the last choices... just because it flashed a certin color doesn't mean that is was "bad"

that would also make doing pullups a "renagde" action.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

here we go again.... there is no alignment with the last choices... just because it flashed a certin color doesn't mean that is was "bad"

that would also make doing pullups a "renagde" action.

Technically only some of the pullups would be renagade...

[Gold Dragon]

Nearly Half, to be truthful.


Red != Renegade, Blue != Paragon outside of dialogue.  Plain and simple.


Destoy all reapers and deal with the consequenses.  It is not for us to determine the weather the future holds, only that they have clean soil to tend.

[KaiserShep]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Exploiting the goodies they leave behind in their passing is fine with me.  

Okay. Good for you?

I hate wasted-potential. I'm an all-in kind of a guy.

I either support utilizing their know-how for ourselves, or I don't. I do. Therefore, I take the whole shebang.

Too bad the "whole shebang" also involves suicide. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 juin 2013 - 03:25 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

A Golden Dragon wrote...
  It is not for us to determine the weather the future holds, only that they have clean soil to tend.

Even if you say that, I'm going to go ahead and determine what the future holds, all right?

Seriously don't get the whole "Reapers must be gone forever" obsession. As long as they're not reaping, their presence is fine with me.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I can see the reapers presence keeping people on their toes. You know when they're walking around towns punching craters in the roads and sidewalks and crushing people under their feet. You gotta learn to be fast to get out of their way. What happens to those people when they're no longer making reapers? They just die? Crushed to death in a hole in the ground. No. Not happening. Rather have them dead all at once. And we'll have more natural biotics around.

[KaiserShep]

The "reapers must be gone" idea is not difficult to understand at all. If giant machines were stomping around, vaporizing everyone in their path, and processing the rest into building material, it seems pretty understandable that their presence would not be welcome, regardless of their change in behavior. I think this is more of a user perspective than a roleplaying perspective. If something like War of the Worlds occurred on earth, and the aliens suddenly got a change of tune after turning hundreds of thousands of people into ash, I don't think we'd just let it slide. It sure as hell doesn't work on people convicted of mass murder. "I promise I'll stop murdering". Good luck getting that defense through to the jury.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 juin 2013 - 04:17 .

[Ravensword]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

here we go again.... there is no alignment with the last choices... just because it flashed a certin color doesn't mean that is was "bad"

that would also make doing pullups a "renagde" action.

Technically only some of the pullups would be renagade...

I knew there was something up w/ those pullups.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ravensword wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

here we go again.... there is no alignment with the last choices... just because it flashed a certin color doesn't mean that is was "bad"

that would also make doing pullups a "renagde" action.

Technically only some of the pullups would be renagade...

I knew there was something up w/ those pullups.

HE KNOWS:o:o

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

femShep with her stick arms beat his pull up record.

[CynicalShep]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

femShep with her stick arms beat his pull up record.

She probably only weights about 120 pounds, too (in full armor)

[CronoDragoon]

If you base your decision solely on the morality of the choice itself, then Refuse is the most Paragon. If you take into account what happens after, then Control is probably the best.

[KaiserShep]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

femShep with her stick arms beat his pull up record.

Where is his swole god now? 

On that note, doing those damn pullups became impossible to stop until I beat his record. It's a good thing there were intermittent pauses when he teased Shep, otherwise I might've given up. 

[AlanC9]

CronoDragoon wrote...

If you base your decision solely on the morality of the choice itself, then Refuse is the most Paragon. If you take into account what happens after, then Control is probably the best.

You're presupposing a definition of morality there where a choice can have an intrinsic  morality in the first place. Nothing wrong with it if deontology's how you roll, but that's not a universally accepted premise.

[CronoDragoon]

AlanC9 wrote...

You're presupposing a definition of morality there where a choice can have an intrinsic  morality in the first place. Nothing wrong with it if deontology's how you roll, but that's not a universally accepted premise.

Since the vast majority of Paragon decisions follow deontology instead of consequentialism, when discussing the Paragon-ness of a choice I equate morality as such. /shrug

Since that can be confusing (a similar discussion about moral Renegade choices would follow consequentialist logic) I'll be more careful about my wording.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 18 juin 2013 - 03:33 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But like I've said, Destroy can be paragon. If there are no Geth around to "sacrifice for the greater good" what is the problem?

A situation like that could arise. You might not have had the option for peace. Legion might have died on the Suicide Mission, or the conditions just were not right for peace, so you had to make a choice. The upper right is not always "the good choice" and the lower right "the evil choice". You just may not have trusted this Reaper Code to be worth the risk and the deaths of the Quarians.

Of course the choices aren't worded that way they're "Upload the Code" or "Let the Geth Die". Not "Let the Quarians Die" and "Let the Geth Die"; OR "Upload the Code" and "Don't Upload the Code". Do you see how skewed the wording is? I think that's wrong.

Upload the Code (and the unstated possibility of Let the Quarians die) = good; Let the Geth die = evil. It should have been fair and balanced. The Quarians got the shaft on the wording and that's why 33% chose the Geth, and only 26% chose the Quarians. 41% made peace.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

just for lolz because my posts don't display unless I post another one immediately sometimes.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 18 juin 2013 - 05:21 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Destroy! Who cares about the damned Geth?

[CronoDragoon]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Upload the Code (and the unstated possibility of Let the Quarians die) = good; Let the Geth die = evil. It should have been fair and balanced. The Quarians got the shaft on the wording and that's why 33% chose the Geth, and only 26% chose the Quarians. 41% made peace.

It wasn't just the wording. The quarians got the shaft in ME3 in general, with BioWare counting on the quarian presence in ME1/2 to count for something, such that people by the end of the Rannoch arc would be split between the geth and quarians. What this leads to is a very unbalanced portrayal of the conflict from game to game, with the quarians the innocent victims in ME1 and the geth evil robots, a balance approach in ME2, and ME3 with the quarians as selfish idiots and the geth as innocent victims.

As for Destroy being Paragon, there are obviously be Paragon aspects to the ending - especially if the geth are absent.

Edit: Innocent is a strong word for the quarian portrayal in ME1, but between them and the geth there was obviously a side with which you were meant to identify.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 18 juin 2013 - 05:28 .

[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...

Destroy! Who cares about the damned Geth?

I actually did care about the geth, as well as EDI, but this didn't stop me from picking the one option that sees their end. If only it didn't feel so damn arbitrary. 

[CronoDragoon]

They really could have just said that Destroy targets Reaper code, and it would have made much more sense than what they said and had the same effect.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

CronoDragoon wrote...

They really could have just said that Destroy targets Reaper code, and it would have made much more sense than what they said and had the same effect.

Catalyst: Yo dawg destroy targets reaper code! Including your precious EDI and the Ge----

Shepard: Yeah the Geth are dead already and I don't particularly care about EDI.

Catalyst: Uh....well f*** me.

*Destroysplosion*