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[Mulsanne Blue]

renjility wrote...

Agent599xx wrote...

I don't need someone's opinion to help me make a decision on how to spend my money. As others have stated, I am fully capable of making my own decisions regarding anything I purchase.

I have seen this pop up a lot in this thread and it confuses me. Since when does looking at reviews, be it by fellow gamers of professional reviews, mean that you can't make your own decisions? I'd say it is one of the steps in making an informed decision yourself. Some people make it sound like you can't think for yourself when you want to wait for other opinions before you buy a game. Some sense of logic in this thread.

I meant it more that many people rely on reviews to make the decision for them. You can make an informed decison without having to depend on another's point of view. If you read my whole post (which I am assuming you did), you would see why I do not place a whole lot of value on reviews. My answer was my opinion; an answer to question posed by the OP that requires an opinion to answer. It is not that I think people should not use reviews, I just don't consider them as valuable a resource as others. I have yet to read a game review by a professional or customer that I have agreed with or kept me from buying (or not buying) a game. Again, that is an opinion, not a fact.

It does not reflect a lack of a sense of logic just because you do not agree. We can disagree - that is what makes us individuals.

[PsychoBlonde]

Kel Riever wrote...

No game in the entire history of games has ever been worth pre-ordering to me.

The only thing I would pre-order, ever, is a car I wanted. Because it is a product that, if you want it to be a specific way, you need to preorder it. And of course, it would only be with a dealership and a company that it would matter to preorder with.

Never have I regretted it, either. Not even for ME1 or DAO, which are probably my favorite video games of all time. Video games are, just, not important enough to pre-order.

A perfectly valid perspective.  For me, if I'm excited about it (I don't buy many games, but I REALLY love the ones I do buy and play them to DEATH), it's worth preordering--even without swag.  Although I love swag and will get it if I can.  I feel bad for people who love swag but want to be cautious in their purchasing--if the game is good, they miss out on the swag by waiting.  The developers really ought to offer these people a way to buy some kind of Ultimate edition with all the swag that doesn't require an actual pre-order.

[Rayndorn]

 I rarely buy games on day 1, though I've been doing it more often recently. While I enjoyed Origins far more, I still enjoyed Dragon Age 2, so I'm looking forward to DA: I! I may or may not buy it in the first few days.

[SamaraDraven]

Bioware hasn't made a game that I haven't enjoyed to the point of not wanting to play it. They may make decisions in a story that I don't agree with but that's part of the enjoyment for me. A game's physical flaws can steer me away but a game would have to be nearly unplayable for that to put me off. I will be buying the game based on my own past experiences and whether or not I can afford it at the time of release.

Edit: That is if I haven't already pre-ordered, of course.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 17 juin 2013 - 05:43 .

[Mulsanne Blue]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

It's different. A contractor or employee could seriously hurt you, far beyond the salary you pay. The game is just a game. Money under the bridge... A deal that is ended as soon as it's made.

In a monetary perspective, doing a thorough check of a contracter or employee before hiring by calling references, matches with just taking a quick look to see if a $60 game is getting good or bad reviews.  Wait, wasn't Mass Effect 2 1/2 going for $80?

This seems off to me. Any review or reference can be tainted by opinion (though many companies do not allow you to give more than facts when you are contacted by someone checking references for a potential employee). How do you know that what ther person is saying is not influenced by an outside factor? You don't - therefore you should proceed with caution and make your own decision regarding the matter. What if you make this "quick check" and find something you want is bombing in the general public? What if it keeps you from buying an outstanding product? On the flipside, what if everyone loves this said person/product and it is absolute garbage? Best to use your own judgement, or in the least make sure it is your judgement when the decision is made. But that can be difficult once you have seen all the negative or positive things being said.

Product reviews, especially those related to a game franchise, tend to be very strongly tied to emotion. People get downright offended by so many things and feel slighted. Also, there are some people that feel a developer can do no wrong in any game they make. These 2 groups are typically the people that write the reviews (notice I said typically - not always). If you can look at that and still make an informed decision not influenced by another's opinion, that's great. Most people cannot.

[horacethegrey]

Yep. But to clarify, I never bought both Dragon Age games, it was my brother. He absolutely enjoyed Origins, but hated DA2 with a passion (he hasn't even finished it). Me, I thought DA2 was alright, but not deserving of the high praise it received from 'official' reviewers. I will be looking at user reviews before buying the game, just to see if it's worth the purchase. No preorder from me.

Modifié par horacethegrey, 17 juin 2013 - 06:03 .

[KoyoteN7]

User reviews are highly subjective, I for example love RPGs but dislike Bethesda's games because I don't care about that type of gameplay, so if I listened to user reviews I would be buying their games because they all have fantastic scores on every gaming website. Conversely I love stealth games but user reviews told me that Hitman Absolution is not a good game. Yet I bought it and loved every minute of it.

Even Let's Plays are bias-ridden and not good enough to gauge whether you'll like the game or not. Your best bet is developer's recent output. Bioware is pretty consistent with their releases, ME3 is pretty much an upgraded ME2 and DA2 was a bit of an experiment that had some serious flaws but was still your usual Bioware formula.

[Nerdage]

That would mean not playing it day 1 myself, so no.

That said, I don't have much use for reviews anyway; I'll watch the pre-release gameplay footage and, in my experience, that's always been enough to get a measure of the gameplay, and I'll judge the story for myself when I play through it (not an ideal setup, but by the time you start researching the story you inevitably spoil it for yourself, not that I doubt it'll be good).

Other people's opinions just muddy the waters unless I've experienced it myself since I have nothing to contrast their opinions against to see how they differ to mine, at which point what do I need their opinions for?

[Tarek]

meh I usually read player reviews before getting ANY game been doing this forever, also I watch gameplay videos and read some site reviews although I don't have much faith in those.

but judging from the delay and art screens DA:I will be a very good game

Modifié par Tarek, 17 juin 2013 - 06:24 .

[Twisted Path]

Daralii wrote...

I still don't get why people keep bringing up ME3 and TOR as examples when they were done by different teams, TOR in a different country.

I think they bring them up to point out that the last three Bioware games have been terrible. Different teams or not it just doesn't bode well, especially since the most disliked game of the lot was made by the team that's making DA3.

[Zjarcal]

nerdage wrote...

That would mean not playing it day 1 myself, so no.

That said, I don't have much use for reviews anyway; I'll watch the pre-release gameplay footage and, in my experience, that's always been enough to get a measure of the gameplay, and I'll judge the story for myself when I play through it (not an ideal setup, but by the time you start researching the story you inevitably spoil it for yourself, not that I doubt it'll be good).

Other people's opinions just muddy the waters unless I've experienced it myself since I have nothing to contrast their opinions against to see how they differ to mine, at which point what do I need their opinions for?

Agreed with this 100%

Off topic side note... the OP's sig made me laugh, where's HL3 Gabe?!!

Modifié par Zjarcal, 17 juin 2013 - 06:53 .

[Wozearly]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I rarely preorder games in general, but I think your thinking is a bit rigid.

I'd be surprised if everyone saying they'd preorder now would unequivocally preorder the game no matter what...they're just filling in the blanks right now based on prior experiences with BioWare games, which is presumably more positive than your own experiences.

I rarely preorder games either.

In fact, only once have I preordered a game based on stellar prior experience with a company and the awesomeness of a particular franchise, and that was DA2.

Following that particular experience, its currently highly unlikely that I'll preorder DA3. However, if a shedton of awesomeness drips its way onto my screen between now and Fall 2014, and I detect a serious absence of "feels in any way like DA2" then I'll turn on a dime with that decision.

[Necrotron]

Probably not. I have enough faith in Bioware's AAA game development and enough love/investment in the series to probably buy on day one. I was, of course, hugely disappointed by the ending of Mass Effect 3, which turned me off to games in general for awhile, but even with that ending, some of the best moments of the series are in Mass Effect 3 as well, and overall, it's one of the best examples of interactive storytelling out there.

I really hope there is a conclusion that doesn't feel as jarring, out of context, and unfulfilling as ME3's ending, and I doubt DAIII will do something similar. But even if they do, I expect I'll get my enjoyment out of the rest of the game.

[Dormiglione]

Not a day one purchase for me. Waiting and reading critics and user Reviews. Then i decide to buy it or not.

[FKA_Servo]

Bathaius wrote...

Probably not. I have enough faith in Bioware's AAA game development and enough love/investment in the series to probably buy on day one. I was, of course, hugely disappointed by the ending of Mass Effect 3, which turned me off to games in general for awhile, but even with that ending, some of the best moments of the series are in Mass Effect 3 as well, and overall, it's one of the best examples of interactive storytelling out there.

I really hope there is a conclusion that doesn't feel as jarring, out of context, and unfulfilling as ME3's ending, and I doubt DAIII will do something similar. But even if they do, I expect I'll get my enjoyment out of the rest of the game.

I'm astonished to find someone else say this. It sounds melodramatic, but after I finished ME3, I just didn't want to play... anything. For like, a month.

It won't deter me. When I buy a Bioware game, I know I'm bound to find at least a few things that are either annoying or infurating, but the love I get back usually outweighs it. Certainly, imperfect as they might have been, there wasn't anything overall about ME3 or DA2 that would prevent me from getting the wallet busting CE of Inquisition.

Modifié par TommyServo, 17 juin 2013 - 07:10 .

[LarryDavid]

I don't care for reviews. Even if everything looks like ****, which is unlikely, I would still want to play it, and because I want to play it as fast as possible a pre-order is the way to go.

[MerinTB]

BioWare lost me as a pre-order customer. And I've pre-ordered special editions of all PC and Xbox BioWare games since BG2, up to and including ME3.

The glowing reviews that ME3 and DA2 got before release have me also unwilling to trust gaming journalism to be useful to me.

I will need an aggregate of critics and users, with an eye for what people say they like and don't like and measure that against my own personal tastes and preferences. Combine with that I'll watch carefully what BioWare hypes about DA:I and chooses to downplay as well.

It's not a special edition pre-order already. It's not a pre-order. It almost certainly is not a first day purchase. Without any other information, right now DA:I is a discount copy (Steam sale if it would sell on Steam!) game for me, looking at it maybe being worth $25.

That can change. BioWare can show me things that make me more interested. Reviews can come out that focus on aspects I am interested in and paint a positive picture. But no matter how good it sounds, it won't be a pre-order. That bridge is burned to the ground. And I special-edition games to support the dev's - and that ain't gonna happen with DA:I. Maybe DA:I will be amazing to me, and I can then want to support BioWare again... but right now their direction is NOT one I want to lend my support to.

I really hope the game is amazing, and I sincerely hope I regret not special edition buying. That would mean BioWare has turned around. But I am so not holding my breath.

[MerinTB]

As a side note, I think everyone saying that "I don't care what other people think, only what I think." are being excessively myopic and need to develop a toolset that allows them to parse the opinions of others, even critics, to get useful information. Relying only on your own judgement requires you to always have to sample something yourself - that's not always possible, and you'll prejudge some stuff needlessly.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

TommyServo wrote...

Bathaius wrote...

Probably not. I have enough faith in Bioware's AAA game development and enough love/investment in the series to probably buy on day one. I was, of course, hugely disappointed by the ending of Mass Effect 3, which turned me off to games in general for awhile, but even with that ending, some of the best moments of the series are in Mass Effect 3 as well, and overall, it's one of the best examples of interactive storytelling out there.

I really hope there is a conclusion that doesn't feel as jarring, out of context, and unfulfilling as ME3's ending, and I doubt DAIII will do something similar. But even if they do, I expect I'll get my enjoyment out of the rest of the game.

I'm astonished to find someone else say this. It sounds melodramatic, but after I finished ME3, I just didn't want to play... anything. For like, a month.

It won't deter me. When I buy a Bioware game, I know I'm bound to find at least a few things that are either annoying or infurating, but the love I get back usually outweighs it. Certainly, imperfect as they might have been, there wasn't anything overall about ME3 or DA2 that would prevent me from getting the wallet busting CE of Inquisition.

Are you really that astonished? Sooo many people commented on how ME3 not only ruined the ME franchise for them, but the whole of gaming. It was a boring time to be on the boards when all people wanted to talk about was how much they couldn't play games anymore.

[Eralrik]

I will Pre Order the game and get the Collectors Edition as I know that the Mass Effect team is not a Part of the Dragon Age team and I have not been disappointed in the Dragon Age games yet. I just hope the Collectors Edition has a Morrigan or a choice of statues in your Collectors Edition that would be so awesome.

While DA:2 wasn't my favorite as the repeating area's over and over was annoying and pulled some of the fun away I still enjoyed the game enough that I still continue to play it after I do a play through of Origins.

I just pray that Multiplayer is a separate entity and not a must for the winning of the single player game and no A, B, C choice ending's with some for of EMS. Also that not every move is placed on the Spacebar and unmappable.

[Catroi]

I'll wait at least 2-3 weeks before even considering buying anything with "Bioware" on the cover

[Zjarcal]

MerinTB wrote...

As a side note, I think everyone saying that "I don't care what other people think, only what I think." are being excessively myopic and need to develop a toolset that allows them to parse the opinions of others, even critics, to get useful information. Relying only on your own judgement requires you to always have to sample something yourself - that's not always possible, and you'll prejudge some stuff needlessly.

I can't trust anyone other than myself, it's as simple as that.

Previews and gameplay vids are enough of a sample for me. I do read reviews, but I don't rely on them unless it's about a 100% objective element, not a subjective one ("the game doesn't let you play as a female", "the game requires an internet connection", etc., stuff that I can usually know beforehand already). Considering the amount of times I have been disappointed by a game I purchased are minimal (as in probably less than five), I don't see a need to change that.

Then again I should also mention that I'm MUCH less picky about things in general than most people here.

[Twisted Path]

MerinTB wrote...

I will need an aggregate of critics and users, with an eye for what people say they like and don't like and measure that against my own personal tastes and preferences. Combine with that I'll watch carefully what BioWare hypes about DA:I and chooses to downplay as well.

Yeah, the way they started talking about how terrible Dragon Age: Origins was and how they had removed all the horrible features before the launch of DA2 was a big warning sign.

"Dragon Age: Origins was the best selling Bioware game ever but it actually sucked so we've removed all this tactical combat stuff and replaced it with the awesome button."

On the other hand I am kind of hoping for another emberassingly silly series of stuff like the awesome button and that Marilyn Manson song when they do get around to marketing the game. Hopefully the game will actually be good but the marketing will be the usual entertaining trainwreck.

[Wickwrackscar]

I'm already set on preordering the game. Even if DA2 and ME3 were disappointing, in the end they were still worth the money. At least for me. And given my past experience with the company, I doubt they will deliver anything that makes me regret buying it. And even if that happend, it would be the first time.