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[Jerrybnsn]

discosuperfly wrote...

If I had disliked DA2 then I wouldn't pre-order, nor would I be hanging out in this forum waiting for the latest news on the game.

What about the pure love of the first one and the sheer dismay of the second that causes you to hang out in this forum?

[addiction21]

MerinTB wrote...

As a side note, I think everyone saying that "I don't care what other people think, only what I think." are being excessively myopic and need to develop a toolset that allows them to parse the opinions of others, even critics, to get useful information. Relying only on your own judgement requires you to always have to sample something yourself - that's not always possible, and you'll prejudge some stuff needlessly.

I personally have never put much stock in the professional reviews and as for users I just have gotten tired of the river of **** and vitriol one needs to wade thru for any big release. There are a few around the BSN I trust to be as objective as they can that I know I share the some or all the same preferences with that will look at if it comes to that.
But first the onus is on BioWare to sell me on the game. Just like I do with every release regardless of developer or publisher. If they manage that then I will take the risk and pre-order.

[TMZuk]

I am going to wait a month or two, and see how it is received.

Also, if it's going to need Origin, I am not certain I'll buy it, no matter what.

[ebevan91]

I won't buy it at release that's for sure, and it's not just a Bioware thing. I do this for nearly all of my games.

[IRMcGhee]

I'll probably get it on release day, pre-order if there's a Shale/Sebastian type deal again. I don't put much stock in user reviews anymore.

[Gealunn]

batlin wrote...

[...]
frankly, professional reviewers have long-since proven that they overinflate their reviews for AAA titles. I doubt alot of those people who like DA2 more than DA:O would agree that DA2 deserved the 9.5/10s it got. [...]

Anyone else think this way?

I think that professionals' reviews need to be read carefully, sometimes it's like marks and descriptions are not done by the same people.

Example from the IGN review of DA2:
Graphics
Description: The environments are extremely pretty, but you’re looking at same ones for most of the game, which sucks. Low-resolution textures plague weapons and costumes. Pre-rendered cutscenes appear blurry.
Graphics mark: 8/10 (What the Hell!? Have you even read your own comment about it?)

I use to read this French website reviews where the consistency between marks and texts seems better.

These two reviews say kind of the same things about the game, however the marks are very different (8.5/10 and 6/10).

Edit: about the title question: I won't preorder, and I'll try to wait until the game costs around 20€. It will somehow even up things between Bioware and me as preordered DA2 and it wasn't worth it!

Modifié par Gealunn, 17 juin 2013 - 09:47 .

[Jerrybnsn]

IRMcGhee wrote...

I'll probably get it on release day, pre-order if there's a Shale/Sebastian type deal again. I don't put much stock in user reviews anymore.

What if they do a ME3 deal where they'll give you the extra character for an additional $20?

[Isaidlunch]

Lolno, I'm throwing as much money as I can at Bioware as soon as they'll let me.

[Volus Warlord]

If it has a good demo I probably won't bother with either user or journalist reviews.

[K_Tabris]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

IRMcGhee wrote...

I'll probably get it on release day, pre-order if there's a Shale/Sebastian type deal again. I don't put much stock in user reviews anymore.

What if they do a ME3 deal where they'll give you the extra character for an additional $20?

What's the point of bringing up Mass Effect? The Dragon Age series already did this with Shale and Sebastian.

Modifié par KallianaTabris, 17 juin 2013 - 09:50 .

[Wozearly]

General Distress wrote...

...given my past experience with the company, I doubt they will deliver anything that makes me regret buying it. And even if that happend, it would be the first time.

Let me be the first to say that I sincerely hope it never happens to you.

Filament wrote...

User reviews are pretty useless though.

Depends on the users. If the metacritic user score bombs, that's normally a useful warning sign. Equally, hypothetically speaking, if I were to wait until after the launch of DA3 to decide whether or not to buy, then I'd be very interested to see the thoughts of other BSN posters whose views on DA:O and DA2 are similar to mine. If they're making "squee" noises, Bioware could take my money without a second's doubt.

Twisted Path wrote...

Yeah,
the way they started talking about how terrible Dragon Age: Origins was
and how they had removed all the horrible features before the launch of
DA2 was a big warning sign.

"Dragon Age: Origins was the best
selling Bioware game ever but it actually sucked so we've removed all
this tactical combat stuff and replaced it with the awesome button."

Slightly exaggerated, albeit not entirely untrue.

The most stupid thing for me personally is that I saw that exact line of discussion happening. I saw what was being pushed and raised to centre stage and what wasn't being said, I even played the demo and felt horribly underwhelmed and despite that I still didn't actually let it sink in. I didn't want to believe the evidence of my own eyes.

When it finally did hit me after playing DA2 properly, it was like someone had hit the nuclear button and the best way to describe the style of my posts here over the following week or so would be "frothing maniac".  Not a proud time.

[ObserverStatus]

mad825 wrote...
As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
I'll be waiting for the more "independent" reviews and avoiding IGN, Destroid , Gamespot and so forth like the black plague.

I won't, Destructoid usually does pretty good reviews IMO. I'm still going to base my decision on peer feedback more than whatever Jim and the gang have to say about it though,

[Jerrybnsn]

KallianaTabris wrote...


What's the point of bringing up Mass Effect? The Dragon Age series already did this with Shale and Sebastian.

You received those characters by buying the game new (shale) , or preordering (sebastian).   You only received the extra Promethean character in ME3 if you preordered the special $80 version.

[K_Tabris]

That is not true across the board.

[TheRealJayDee]

Yes.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

KallianaTabris wrote...


What's the point of bringing up Mass Effect? The Dragon Age series already did this with Shale and Sebastian.

You received those characters by buying the game new (shale) , or preordering (sebastian).   You only received the extra Promethean character in ME3 if you preordered the special $80 version.

He was also available on launch day as separate DLC (at least for the 360) for much less than 20 bucks.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 17 juin 2013 - 11:37 .

[Jerrybnsn]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

KallianaTabris wrote...


What's the point of bringing up Mass Effect? The Dragon Age series already did this with Shale and Sebastian.

You received those characters by buying the game new (shale) , or preordering (sebastian).   You only received the extra Promethean character in ME3 if you preordered the special $80 version.

He was also available on launch day as separate DLC (at least for the 360) for much less than 20 bucks.

I preordered a year in advance and received nothing and the Promethean dlc was $20

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

KallianaTabris wrote...


What's the point of bringing up Mass Effect? The Dragon Age series already did this with Shale and Sebastian.

You received those characters by buying the game new (shale) , or preordering (sebastian).   You only received the extra Promethean character in ME3 if you preordered the special $80 version.

He was also available on launch day as separate DLC (at least for the 360) for much less than 20 bucks.

I preordered a year in advance and received nothing and the Promethean dlc was $20

You must be incredibly unlucky. I pre-ordered, and when I went to pick up my game I only paid 10 bucks for the From Ashes DLC. In fact, Gamestop looks like it is still selling it for that price.

Obviously the Collector's Edition sold for about 20 bucks more, but there was also a little more included than the From Ashes DLC.

[LinksOcarina]

Gealunn wrote...

batlin wrote...

[...]
frankly, professional reviewers have long-since proven that they overinflate their reviews for AAA titles. I doubt alot of those people who like DA2 more than DA:O would agree that DA2 deserved the 9.5/10s it got. [...]

Anyone else think this way?

I think that professionals' reviews need to be read carefully, sometimes it's like marks and descriptions are not done by the same people.

Example from the IGN review of DA2:
Graphics
Description: The environments are extremely pretty, but you’re looking at same ones for most of the game, which sucks. Low-resolution textures plague weapons and costumes. Pre-rendered cutscenes appear blurry.
Graphics mark: 8/10 (What the Hell!? Have you even read your own comment about it?)

I use to read this French website reviews where the consistency between marks and texts seems better.

These two reviews say kind of the same things about the game, however the marks are very different (8.5/10 and 6/10).

Edit: about the title question: I won't preorder, and I'll try to wait until the game costs around 20€. It will somehow even up things between Bioware and me as preordered DA2 and it wasn't worth it!

This is my biggest gripe when I see colleagues writing reviews. Their translation of what they are conveying is either too vague, or opposed to the arbitrary number they have to use to translate a score.

I hate giving out scores for the record, so much so my standards for a good game are fairly high, to the point where I only have given maybe five games an 8/10 score for the site I contribute to. But really the score doesn't matter, the context of the review is more important in the end. The flaws listed for Dragon Age can still be an 8/10 in that department, the question is more of what is the argument for WHY, which few reviewers even bother to translate.

[Sanunes]

LinksOcarina wrote...

This is my biggest gripe when I see colleagues writing reviews. Their translation of what they are conveying is either too vague, or opposed to the arbitrary number they have to use to translate a score.

I hate giving out scores for the record, so much so my standards for a good game are fairly high, to the point where I only have given maybe five games an 8/10 score for the site I contribute to. But really the score doesn't matter, the context of the review is more important in the end. The flaws listed for Dragon Age can still be an 8/10 in that department, the question is more of what is the argument for WHY, which few reviewers even bother to translate.

I agree, its why I ignore the numbers with reviewers and listen or read their comments about the game for I find the overall scores to be unrealistic, but generally what they are saying is helpful.  I think people are too focused on the numbers then actually reading the reviews.

[Withidread]

Trusting a review requires one to place value in what the reviewer thinks of the game being reviewed. I tend to have trouble with that for any game. I would rather see some sort of demo (or something similar), something that gives me enough of a taste to help me make my own decision.
In the case of DA:I, I'd really like to have something that will help determine if my PC has the oomph to run it the way I want.

[LinksOcarina]

Withidread wrote...

Trusting a review requires one to place value in what the reviewer thinks of the game being reviewed. I tend to have trouble with that for any game. I would rather see some sort of demo (or something similar), something that gives me enough of a taste to help me make my own decision.
In the case of DA:I, I'd really like to have something that will help determine if my PC has the oomph to run it the way I want.

As a rule of thumb, if people value my opinions on a game that is fine. I just don't want them to take it as gospel.

That is the part that is hard to reconcile in the end really. I know I shouldn't care what people think about my words, but I do because I want to be as honest with them as possible. Demo's can only go so far, and can also be as misleading. Brutal Legend comes to mind as the demo for the game was all about the action combat vs the RTS elements that were the meat of the game. 

Trusting yourself is usually the best answer though, but I wouldn't write off everyone else, at least completely. 

Sanunes wrote...

I agree, its why I ignore the numbers with reviewers and listen or read their comments about the game for I find the overall scores to be unrealistic, but generally what they are saying is helpful.  I think people are too focused on the numbers then actually reading the reviews.

A lot of people jdo ust look at the numbers in the end. That is mostly the reason why it's done. the real issue is mostly how skewed they are. I said I was strict, but I know people at my own website are a bit more lax in their standards. It also doesn't help that most scores are skewed higher because most fans expect a 8/10 to be average, which is...well, silly.

If anything, a 5 or 6/10 is just as good as an 8. Again the trick is to explain why vs just writing off bullet points. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 18 juin 2013 - 04:02 .