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[Vertigo_1]

Yeah, definitely going to wait for user (not 'journalist') reviews before buying.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

3 strikes with BW in my opinion:

DA:2, TOR, and ME3.

The quality of their products is definitely sinking in my opinion. Some say even ME2 (though for me, that is the best BW game, and video game I've ever played).

I can't really see myself buying DA:I period. After Citadel, I'm kind of done with BW. They have changed as a company, and not for the better IMO.

They will really need to prove that they are worth my money. As it is, I have almost no trust in their name anymore. Any game I get will be either bargain bin or used until I see BW as being credible once more.

EA's stewardship certainly does not engender trust.

No more pre-orders. Ever. I learned my lesson hard after ME3.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 18 juin 2013 - 04:37 .

[Shelondias]

I'm pre-ordering it the second it becomes available to do so.
Loved the series so far and I doubt very much that I'll be disappointed in the third installment.

[Savber100]

I trust no company.

Anyone that trusts a business is a fool.

They'll have to prove it to me through good, honest marketing to even have me consider a preorder.

[edeheusch]

discosuperfly wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

discosuperfly wrote...

If I had disliked DA2 then I wouldn't pre-order, nor would I be hanging out in this forum waiting for the latest news on the game.

What about the pure love of the first one and the sheer dismay of the second that causes you to hang out in this forum?

l would never do that. If I didn't like a developer's most recent game, I would assume its "sequel" to be more of the same stuff I didn't like. It wouldn't even be on my radar, so I certainly wouldn't continue hanging out in a forum for a game I had no interest in. If I happened to catch a review of the game by a critic or friend whose tastes I shared then I might get the game on sale and see if it was to my liking. 

Firstly, there aren’t many choices for the Tactical Party based RPG lover. The last good game of this genre was DAO and it was released in 2009. The only other game of the genre that I know to be under development is Project Eternity and I also follow its news.

Now let’s be honest, if DAI has been announced to be much closer to DA2 than to DAO many players like me wouldn’t follow the forum anymore. However, one of the first announcement about DAI was:

We caught hold of Bioware CEO Dr. Ray Muzyka on the Gamscom show floor and got a chance to ask him about the polarising effect of Dragon Age 2, and Bioware’s plans for Dragon Age 3. “The team is going to have some things that are going to surprise both sets of fans, both core fans and new fans with a marriage of the best from both games, Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2,” he says

Dragon Age 2 received a wide variety of different scores when it was released earlier this year. Some hated it, others loved it. We asked Dr. Ray why he thought Dragon Age 2 received such a varied response from fans and critics alike.
“It’s interesting because the first reviews – the number of the reviews was also very polarised, awesomely so. Lots of 90+ reviews, we also got fans that I think in some cases who were expecting more Dragon Age: Origins, and there was a misalignment of expectation there,” says Dr Ray.
“One of the core values of Bioware is that we take feedback really seriously, and we know that the core fans who were expecting more Dragon Age Origins – we have to respond to that – we’re not willing to ignore that, we’re going to take that head on.”
That doesn’t mean Bioware are about to backtrack and revert to the more methodical pace of Dragon Age: Origins, however.
“We also have an obligation to our new fans,” adds Dr. Ray, “the ones who were surprised and delighted with some new approaches and accessibility in terms of action and combat”
“What we need to do as developers is take that feedback from both sets of fans to heart and see about marrying that in future games in the Dragon Age franchise. I think that the team has actually got a great plan. I think the team is going to have some things that are going to surprise both sets of fans, both core fans and new fans with a marriage of these… the best from both games, Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2. And we look forward more to talking about that in the future.”

It isn’t exactly like if they announced that DAI will be like DA2 and that everything that were different in DAO will be thrown away.
 
In addition the description of DAI on the official website is:

Explore a vast, fantasy world at the brink of catastrophe in Dragon Age: Inquisition, a next-generation action RPG, where your choices shape and drive the experience. In this upcoming video game from BioWare, makers of Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age: Origins, you’ll make your mark in an expansive, story-driven open world filled with complex characters, challenging combat and difficult decisions.
A cataclysmic event has plunged the land of Thedas into turmoil. Dragons now darken the sky, casting a shadow of terror over a once-peaceful kingdom. Mages have broken into an all-out war against the oppressive Templars. Nations rise against one another. It falls to you to restore order as you lead the Inquisition and hunt down the agents of chaos - your choices will forever change the Dragon Age.

Which suggest that they know something went wrong with DA2 and that the game should sell more if it is announced as made by the makers of DAO (instead of the makers of DA2).

All of that does not mean that they will bring back everything that I consider as the best of DAO. It does not mean either that they understood what most of the fan consider to be better in DAO than in DA2. It could even be just marketing b******t and just an attempt to sell the game to more DAO fans because they realized that DAO sold more than DA2.

However, if it did not gave us (the customers that, like me, were really disappointed by DA2 and don’t consider it as a good game) back our trust in Bioware, for some of us it is sufficient to gave us enough hope to follow the news about the game. Considering their marketing, it is probably what Bioware want, this forum is about DAI and not about DA2 and it is intended as any potential DAI buyer (wherever they bought/liked DA2 or not).  

Modifié par edeheusch, 18 juin 2013 - 08:45 .

[Solmanian]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

3 strikes with BW in my opinion:

DA:2, TOR, and ME3.

The quality of their products is definitely sinking in my opinion. Some say even ME2 (though for me, that is the best BW game, and video game I've ever played).

I can't really see myself buying DA:I period. After Citadel, I'm kind of done with BW. They have changed as a company, and not for the better IMO.

They will really need to prove that they are worth my money. As it is, I have almost no trust in their name anymore. Any game I get will be either bargain bin or used until I see BW as being credible once more.

EA's stewardship certainly does not engender trust.

No more pre-orders. Ever. I learned my lesson hard after ME3.

So... You're here why? I don't tell me it's because you want to be updated with information about bioware's games. It's Bioware Social network; i.e. it's where their fans come to talk to eachother. Even the moderators said repeatadly that this is the wrong place to get information about games, just a whole lot of specualtion.

[Ieldra]

In answer to the question in the OP:

I do not yet have sufficient information to make a decision.

I'll wait until the end of the pre-order period. If I like what I know at that point I will most likely pre-order a CE again. I am fairly confident of two things: (1) That after the fiasco with ME3's endings the DA team will think long and hard on how to end DAI, and (2) that DAI will not repeat DA2's greatest flaws - namely the recycled environments and the abuse of the enemy wave mechanic.

Having said that, the last Bioware game I unambiguously loved was DAO. It was the last one which felt reasonably complete and detailed enough, where you didn't see the seams in the worldbuilding and the plot, didn't see the templates used for quest production and where themes arose naturally from the story instead of feeling forced into it.

Regardless of gameplay style, I would love to see a game where the world and the plot feel as complete and alive as in DAO again.

[ashwind]

Probably not. Hopefully Bioware will release a Demo so I can judge for myself. How bad can it be anyways =P

[hideo_sakaguchi]

Nah I'm day one-ing this bad boy.  I was one of the few that loved Dragon Age 2.  I've beaten it four or five times now and put in over 200 hours across all play-throughs.

I did like Origins more and I fully understand that DA 2 was rushed out the door (something like a year and a half development time and reused assets and so on) but they remain the only two games I ever bothered to Platinum on PS3.

I also didn't jump on the ME 3 hate bandwagon other than really hating the original ending (the Extended Cut made it acceptable at least ).  I will pre-order a next-gen Dragon Age and Mass Effect and even spend the extra money on whatever Collector's Edition Bioware pushes out.  I know Bioware angered a lot of fans lately (DA 2, TOR, ME 3) but I still loved them (well haven't played TOR) and have faith that with a proper development cycle Bioware can deliver the goods.

As it stands right now DA: Inquisition is one of my most antcipated titles.  Can't wait to hear more about it.

[ComfortablyNumb]

No.

This would mean having to read spoilers and that's something I hate and avoid as much as possible.
Not to mention, how can I say, who's review I would actually agree with, if I don't play the game myself?

And last, but not least - I'm not patient enough

[Fugiz]

No. Day one buy.

[AmyBA]

I have yet to misjudge a game and be disappointed in a game I have pre-ordered, and I've been doing it for years. I am rather good at having realistic expectations in a game and can keep those in check.

I pre-ordered both DA2 and ME3. DA2 had flaws but I still thoroughly enjoyed it. I was quite unhappy with the original state of the ending of ME3, but I loved so much more in the game and got a lot out of it so I still consider it a good buy. I do not regret pre-ordering either of these and will probably pre-order DA:I as well.

Modifié par AmyBA, 18 juin 2013 - 10:54 .

[Urazz]

I was satisfied with all of Bioware's recent games so for me I'll probably preorder the game when I actually get some information on it than just a trailer.

[Moirin]

I'm waiting to hear more info about the game before I decide if I'm going to wait for reviews on the game or preorder it.

[Arllekin]

i hope they can make like the last of us, lifting the embargo a week or more before release so you can be well informed and still get the game on day one or even pre order.

[frankf43]

No I will probably buy on release date.
The only thing I could think of to stop me is if it is server based like SIM City. Was going to buy that but never did in the end.

[Stalker]

After DA2 and ME3 I have lost my blind faith in BioWare and the last bit of trust I had in journalists, so yes.
I am going to wait for opinions of users and certain youtubers on this... unless of course they ease the decision with a demo as terrible as DA2.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 18 juin 2013 - 01:30 .

[earl of the north]

As I've said before (on another thread) I'll pre-order. DA2 despite its faults was a game I replayed 6 times (male and female, mage, warrior and rogue) on the other hand the WItcher 2 despite all the hype on here, got one full playthrough and a partial second playthrough which I never finished. So despite its faults for me DA2 was much better value than the Witcher 2 and for that reason I was not really bothered by the news that the Witcher 3 wont be coming out on the Xbox 360.......I am however very happy that DA:I will be.

DA:I is the only game apart from Fallout 4 that I'm planning to pe-order and its likely that Fallout 4 will not be coming out for Xbox 360 so I'll be getting Fallout 4 on which ever system I eventually upgrade to.

Modifié par earl of the north, 18 juin 2013 - 03:02 .

[Black Jimmy]

 Nope. Like how I won't wait for reviews for GTAV or Kingdom Hearts 3.
I really enjoyed DA2, even though it was a bit to streamlined for my liking. And I love ME3, save the Crucible plotline (It, including the ending, are pretty stupid and a bit of an asspull, sorry.).
I even enjoyed the story of TOR and I hate MMOs.
I doubt I'll get the inevitable Cut Companion Edition though. If all I have to do is buy a game new for the Cut Companion, then I'm in.
Throw in DLC whyere you play as The Warden and/or Hawke though, and I will give you anything you want
I think I got distracted...

[kinderschlager]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

3 strikes with BW in my opinion:

DA:2, TOR, and ME3.

The quality of their products is definitely sinking in my opinion. Some say even ME2 (though for me, that is the best BW game, and video game I've ever played).

I can't really see myself buying DA:I period. After Citadel, I'm kind of done with BW. They have changed as a company, and not for the better IMO.

They will really need to prove that they are worth my money. As it is, I have almost no trust in their name anymore. Any game I get will be either bargain bin or used until I see BW as being credible once more.

EA's stewardship certainly does not engender trust.

No more pre-orders. Ever. I learned my lesson hard after ME3.

not the only one, favorrite game is a toss up between KOTO and DA:O everything since though? hasn't felt like Bioware as much as EA. too much action, not enough RPG.

[EvilChani]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I rarely preorder games in general, but I think your thinking is a bit rigid.

I'd be surprised if everyone saying they'd preorder now would unequivocally preorder the game no matter what.  If they see some stuff during prerelease that makes them really go "whoa.... I don't like that" they can change their minds.

They're just filling in the blanks right now based on prior experiences with BioWare games, which is presumably more positive than your own experiences.

I don't presume to speak for the original poster, but, for me, ME3 burned me badly enough to keep me from preordering DAIII, no matter how much I want to get my hands on it. I loved ME1 and ME2, so much so that I played them repeatedly, deleting saves and replaying characters from the beginning just to get a certain choice right so things would be set up for ME3. Then, ME3 came out...to put it bluntly, the story and the ending were so horrible and depressing, in my opinion, that not only did I have no desire to finish the game (I stopped playing right before the final showdown of 'pick a color, any color and you all die anyway, HAHAHAHA!') but it ruined any desire I have had, or ever will have, to so much as think about replaying either ME1 or ME2. 

Given the fact that I loved Dragon Age so much that I've replayed both DA:O and DA2 more times than I can count (once again, often replaying the same characters so I could get everything just so), and have played the first one on PC as well as the 360 (I hate Origin too much to buy the second game on PC), I am hesitant to purchase DA:I until I know how the story ends and whether or not it will ruin the series for me as ME3 did for Mass Effect. My experience with ME3 was just that bad, so much so that it ruined any trust I had for Bioware, despite having preordered almost all of your games without thought after the first time I played BG. 

It's not that I believed Bioware was perfect...when DA2 came out, I complained about a handful of issues (none of which stopped me from playing and replaying the game) and had serious problems with the lack of depth for certain characters (both Anders and Fenris are so overdone with their views that I found myself wanting to kill both of them every time either of them uttered a word about magic, despite the fact that I liked Anders in his first appearance and thought Fenris was extremely awesome the rest of the time). But despite the problems, I still loved the game and continue to play it (I'm in the middle of a playthrough right now, actually).

But one thing I always loved about your games is the thing I felt ME3 lacked entirely: CHOICE! There was too much autodialogue, the romances were hosed unless you picked the one the writers clearly decided you should choose (females could only have Kaidan, who is a douchebag, or Batman...err, Garrus, who was like a brother to my character, while Thane was completely forgotten and then killed off in an aside). Even worse, there was no ending where you were left feeling hopeful or good. The people who love misery got it in spades, but anyone who wanted to walk away with a smile got a kick to the teeth instead. All in the name of 'art'. I'm not buying art, I'm buying a frigging game, one that I should enjoy playing.

I did not enjoy ME3...in fact, I found it so miserable and depressing to play that now I am wary of anything with Bioware's name stamped on it. I'm not giving up on you guys yet, but DA3 is the last hurrah. I'll wait until I see some feedback - not reviews on gameplay, because I can't judge whether I'll like a game on what others enjoy, but rather on the story, so I know if all of your games will repeat the lousy, unimaginative, deus ex machina ("go have sex with a dragon and make a dragon baby and die so everyone can be a dragon! yay!"), forced depressofest pile of crap that I got with ME3. If that's what DA3 gives us, I have better things to do with my time, like watch ice cream melt or stab myself repeatedly with a ballpoint pen, and will know never to look Bioware's way again. If DA3, however, turns out to be a character-focused story with many options and choices, an array of NPCs that have justice done to their characters, and, just as importantly, endings that differ in ways other than what color laser gets shoved up the PC's butt and rips her apart (with at least one of those endings being uplifting rather than sad and depressing), then I will happily purchase the game and, likely, buy it for others just as I've given DA:O and DA2 as gifts. And, likely, I'll count ME3 as a fluke and go back to the opinion that Bioware produces great RPGs. But that's just my opinion...

[Luigitornado]

I didn't rush out and buy DA2 because of all the negative feedback I was hearing. I think I waited a bit over a year or so. When I finally played it I was underwhelmed, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 18 juin 2013 - 10:41 .

[aphelion4]

No pre-order for me. After how horrible ME3 was I'd rather not waste another 90 bucks, though the pushed back release date gives me a little more faith. :>

[sushismygen]

Gonna wait for Angry Joe! 
Love his show and I tend to agree with most of his reviews.
I remember being so hyped for ME3. I preordered Colletor edition thinking along the lines:
This is going to be legendary and what could  possibly go wrong...learned my lesson well.
So no more pre-orders for me. I do look forward to DA3 though and I'm rather optimistic so far.

Modifié par sushismygen, 18 juin 2013 - 07:39 .

[mopotter]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

batlin wrote...

Stjerne wrote...

No, I'm getting this game no matter what.
I love the world of dragon age too much.

Origins is one of my favourite games and one of my most played.
I HAVE TO get this game no matter how bad the reviews are.
I have too much history and love for the franchise.

I said something like that before, about another game franchise. Ultima, it was called.

I was like that for Mass Effect 3.

So was I    I planned on buying a collector's edition with all 3 games on it someday.  Planned on playing it many times  just like I have played DA:O; DA2, ME1 and ME2 over and over.   I pre-ordered ME3 played it two & 1/2 times to see if my choices made a difference.  They didn't.    

The one thing I'll say about ME3 - I can now play DA:O and do the dark ritual without much thought because as much as I disliked the dark ritual, ME3's endings put it in perspective. 

I am hopeful for DA3, since it's a different group in charge, but not enough to pre-order it.  I'll wait till someone I knows plays it and tells me how the endings are.  

One reason I am hopeful about DA3 is the main character is new, not someone I have watched over the 2 previous games.  DA3 will be someone I don't have a history with, so I don't have as many expectations so the hope is there.