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[Wozearly]

LinksOcarina wrote...

This will go wildy off topic, but what is replayablility then?

Can a game like say, Super Mario Bros. contain replayability in its design vs a game like Command and Conquer?

I'd agree with Sylvius' definition of replayability, although not necessarily his assertion that replayability is evidence of player freedom - that's just one of many explanations.

However, I do agree that the more sandbox-like a game is, or the more the game specifically rewards variation in approach, or embeds it into the design (be that in terms of content, gameplay or outcome), the more likely it is to have replayability to me personally.

But quality of gameplay experience, strength of narrative story, level of immersion, influence of random factors and pure gold-plated nostalgia are all influencing factors for me. I've replayed as many games (and re-read books, re-watched films, etc.) that didn't design in replayability as those that did.

But I would say that, with a couple of exceptional cases aside, I've generally far preferred games that did design in replayability.

[Viper371]

batlin wrote...

Because holding off on buying ME3 was one of the wisest business decisions I've made lately. After being burned by DA2 and TOR, I couldn't justify buying ME3 day 1. Same goes with this.

I want DA3 to be good. I would love it to be as good or better than DA:O. But frankly, professional reviewers have long-since proven that they overinflate their reviews for AAA titles. I doubt alot of those people who like DA2 more than DA:O would agree that DA2 deserved the 9.5/10s it got. And while I also don't think DA2 deserves the 2/10s it got from users on metacritic, they were definitely an indicator that DA2 didn't live up to people's expectations. That' why in cases like this, I cant justify buying DA3 before looking at user reviews.

Anyone else think this way?

For the same reasons as you, I'm not buying the game on day 1.  I want to, I really do want to buy it and play it... but I've been burned.  So I'll wait some special on Origin before I do pull the trigger on this one.  I'm sure it will end up being a very good & fun game after a couple of DLCs, I'm just not ready to pay full price while I wait for it to be "ok" by my standards.

Eventually, BW/EA may learn of their mistakes, and then I'll buy their games on day 1 - at full price - again.

[Evelane]

Sure im going to buy it!!! ^-^ day 1+collector edition!

[Nethalf]

Gonna buy it anyway.

[contextual_entity]

I'll definitely be holding off on getting it, but more in favour of a few trusted reviewer opinions rather than generally uninformed user reviews.

[DanaScu]

batlin wrote...

Because holding off on buying ME3 was one of the wisest business decisions I've made lately. After being burned by DA2 and TOR, I couldn't justify buying ME3 day 1. Same goes with this.

I want DA3 to be good. I would love it to be as good or better than DA:O. But frankly, professional reviewers have long-since proven that they overinflate their reviews for AAA titles. I doubt alot of those people who like DA2 more than DA:O would agree that DA2 deserved the 9.5/10s it got. And while I also don't think DA2 deserves the 2/10s it got from users on metacritic, they were definitely an indicator that DA2 didn't live up to people's expectations. That' why in cases like this, I cant justify buying DA3 before looking at user reviews.

Anyone else think this way?

It is mostly a moot point for me. I won't get it because of DA2, ME3, and Origin. I'm not planning on getting any of EABioware's games at this point.

[Maria Caliban]

I am pre-ordering the most expensive edition of the game I can afford as soon as it's available.

[iOnlySignIn]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I am pre-ordering the most expensive edition of the game I can afford as soon as it's available.

You should get a free copy. You have done a lot of work for BioWare so that's only fair.

[demonic_cookie]

I will pre-order the most expensive edition I can afford as soon as I can, and I'll consider it money well-spent even if the game has flaws. Hell, every DA game had flaws, but I got hours of enjoyment out of all of them anyway. I actually replayed DA2 more because of its fragmented we-are-not-sure-what-we're-doing-here plot, and loved it more every time.

Not to mention the DA development team as a whole and David Gaider specifically completely won me over with their handling of lgb(sadly, not t, but we can't all be perfect) characters in DA2 and the issuing fan... outcry... thing. And continue to stand their ground. So as long as they keep making games, any games, I'll keep buying them on principle.

[Shawn Marrster]

When they released DAO the preorder bonus where pretty good. One more playable character, skill book, daggers and armour in Mass Effect 2.
So if the pre order insinuative is big enough I will preorder.

Bioware made the greatest games for a long time. Triple A quality with the best story telling in all of gaming.
But... DA2 more or less raped me. The ending in ME3 was like Bioware spat in my face. Bioware have not released a great game since EA... Maybe DA3 will be that one?

[LinksOcarina]

Shawn Marrster wrote...

When they released DAO the preorder bonus where pretty good. One more playable character, skill book, daggers and armour in Mass Effect 2.
So if the pre order insinuative is big enough I will preorder.

Bioware made the greatest games for a long time. Triple A quality with the best story telling in all of gaming.
But... DA2 more or less raped me. The ending in ME3 was like Bioware spat in my face. Bioware have not released a great game since EA... Maybe DA3 will be that one?

I don't want to sound rude but aren't you being a little dramatic here?

I mean..."raped you?" Seriously? Next you are going to say that you were asking for it like BioWare was some sort of serial predator out to purposely screw you over. 

I also would argue they still release great games, since EA. Hell, Origins is one of them if we are to count it since EA let them finish it after they were acquired. 

I guess this is not here nor there. It is your money in the end. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 20 juin 2013 - 10:42 .

[Xamufam]

The review process is flawed there is just 1 person on an island that review's the game instead of 3-5 people discussing the good & the bad points of the gameplay, story & character's

Modifié par Troxa, 22 juin 2013 - 08:36 .

[lastpatriot]

I think I might have changed my mind now and will actually pre-order DA:I now. 

[Huyna]

I will pre-order it as soon as opportunity presents itself.

First of all, because i do love DA:O.
Secondly, i did not hate DA2.

And ME3 is a different  (though very sad) story from another franchise. 

[Blankeflos]

I rarely read reviews on anything, because they never helped me much and I like to form my own opinions. I'm not afraid of spending my money with Bioware games, so I'm preordering this game for sure. If later I find out it wasn't money well spent, well, too bad for me.

[Aren19]

 I'm too much of a fan of the Dragon Age series to avoid it.  I liked Dragon Age 2 even with everything that was bad with it, I still liked it (not as much as Origins though) and I can't wait to play Inquisition.

[Kerethos]

The only thing that could possibly keep me from acquiring it on day one is probably my inability to decide on what platform I want to play it on - but I'm leaning more and more towards getting both previous games on the PC and replaying them. This is mostly because I'd like to avoid any import issues, I should decide to buy an Xbox One or a PS4 (having played the previous games on the 360), and I do enjoy maxed out graphics 

[ANGRYWOLF1]

Wait for player reviews online.

[Ziggeh]

Are reviews something we can start trusting again? I generally base my decision on a developers past performance, and while DA2 was a slight dissapointment, I'm still glad that I bought and played it. If they released a string of games that I found a little flat I might see Bioware differently, but I don't consider one game to represent a trend. So, yeah, buying.

[sangy]

Yeah, pre-order CE! Can't wait.

[KDD-0063]

Yes I would hold off purchase, but user review isn't going to be the only factor. Won't decide to not buy a game solely because its user review is 4.

For example Diablo 3's low user review mainly comes from day 1's error 37 (cannot get into a supposedly single player game, I would be furious too), but that isn't an inherent flaw and can be fixed quickly. I still did not buy the game after checking out several D3 videos on youtube and decided it isn't my thing, but that's not because of its low user score.

Or Dead Space 3, I heard its low user review is there because it betrays its own concept (a horror game that becomes a generic shooter), but people who like generic shooters probably won't think DS3 is too bad.

Simply put, a low user score does not mean "this game is garbage";

It means "something is wrong".

Modifié par KDD-0063, 23 juin 2013 - 02:57 .

[pdusen]

LinksOcarina wrote...
I don't want to sound rude but aren't you being a little dramatic here?

I mean..."raped you?" Seriously? Next you are going to say that you were asking for it like BioWare was some sort of serial predator out to purposely screw you over. 

I also would argue they still release great games, since EA. Hell, Origins is one of them if we are to count it since EA let them finish it after they were acquired. 

I guess this is not here nor there. It is your money in the end. 

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Reading the way people talk about DA2 and ME3 on this forum, without having played either of them, you'd get the impression that they were both completely horrible games that were pumped out solely to milk Bioware's customers. The fact of the matter is that both of them were great games which unfortunately did suffer from specific major flaws (DA2 had a much shorter development time than it should have had, and ME3 suffered from a dissappointing final 10 minutes, although the extended cut turned it from dissappointing to adequate).

By the way, my favorites are the ones who now refuse to refer to Bioware as anything but "EA Bioware" and think they're making some kind of statement. Those guys are a riot.

Anyhow, in answer to the OP's question, I will be a day-one buyer, if not a preorder (I may miss the preorder for practical reasons).

[IceHawk-181]

I am always puzzled by individuals who spend up to $60.00 or $100.00 on a product that they do not have experience with beyond a brand name and a developer source.
 
Perhaps I am merely a more critical consumer, but honestly I find it difficult to spend more than $20.00 on something I do not know the quality of beforehand.
 
Then again I am still astounded that people defend Dragon Age 2 and the ME3 endings, but there you go. 

[ANGRYWOLF1]

It is EA Bioware . Why ignore that fact? Not being negative. It is what it is and that should be taken into consideration.

[TexasToast712]

Reviews are like testicles. You only need one. (Your own)

If you need someone elses opinion on what to buy then you shouldnt be playing video games. Every review I have ever come across is biased especially the scores. 

I dont care what other people think and I can honestly say I have never bought a game I didnt enjoy.