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[batlin]

Is anyone else amazed at how many people have decided to preorder? I mean, I happy for everyone who's enjoyed every recent BW game, but we haven't even seen gameplay footage yet...even if you think there's no reason to doubt you'll like this, why chance it?

[lastpatriot]

Sadly, I'm not going to preorder this time. I've done so with just about every BioWare game I can remember but after DA:2 and ME:3, I'm going to wait for the reviews this time around. However, I'm optimistically hopeful that DA:3 will actually be what we've been told: epic...

[North Light36]

I'll pre-order. Frankly, I really enjoyed both of the Dragon Age games, even if DA2 was a very, very different game to DA:O. I don't see any reason that I shouldn't pre-order since it's not as though I don't want to play the game.

Now, if it blows up the computer I'm currently saving for and sets my face on fire, I'll probably be annoyed at being 'burned' by Bioware. Other then that, I'll pay for a game, I'll receive a game. If it turns out I don't enjoy it, that's hardly Bioware's fault. But I don't see it happening.

If the numerous bugs in every freaking Sims expansion doesn't stop me buying them, then DA:I not being DA:O probably won't stop me either.

[AstraDrakkar]

I most certainly will wait for user reviews before buying. I learned my lesson.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 16 juin 2013 - 01:04 .

[batlin]

North Light36 wrote...

If it turns out I don't enjoy it, that's hardly Bioware's fault.

I.....what....?

[Sanunes]

batlin wrote...

Because holding off on buying ME3 was one of the wisest business decisions I've made lately. After being burned by DA2 and TOR, I couldn't justify buying ME3 day 1. Same goes with this.

I want DA3 to be good. I would love it to be as good or better than DA:O. But frankly, professional reviewers have long-since proven that they overinflate their reviews for AAA titles. I doubt alot of those people who like DA2 more than DA:O would agree that DA2 deserved the 9.5/10s it got. And while I also don't think DA2 deserves the 2/10s it got from users on metacritic, they were definitely an indicator that DA2 didn't live up to people's expectations. That' why in cases like this, I cant justify buying DA3 before looking at user reviews.

Anyone else think this way?

I don't trust user reviews anymore then I trust profession reviewers.  I tend to listen or read what a review says and ignore the score for those are extremely subjective.  I find fan reviews to be the same as professional reviews and they are either perfect or complete failures with very little room in middle.  Its just people seem to use specific fan reviews and ignore the others.

I avoid the PR and fan over analyzing for a game and try to really listen to what the developers are saying, right now its too early for me to tell if I will buy Dragon Age: Inquisition or not, but I have a better feeling about it then Dragon Age 2.

Edit:

A current example is Last of Us for the PS3, both reviewers and the fans seem to be giving it good marks, but from what I was reading its not a game for me so it will stay on the game store shelves.  Its the same for BioShock: Infinite as well, everything I was reading told me I wouldn't enjoy the game, even the positive scores made me feel that way.

Modifié par Sanunes, 16 juin 2013 - 01:29 .

[Heidenreich]

I have no doubt that DA:I will be as fantastic as the other two. Unlike the vocal majority, I actually loved DA2. Loved it to the point that two years later I'm still playing it. And that's having plaed DA:O/A previously.

Not everyone's reviews will suite my opinion, and EVEN with my reservations on the original ending of ME3, I wasn't disappointed enough to warrant not wanting to Pre-order DA:I. On top of that, the crews that makes/made the ME games and the DA games are different folks. I trust the DA crew.

[Dutchess]

batlin wrote...

Is anyone else amazed at how many people have decided to preorder? I mean, I happy for everyone who's enjoyed every recent BW game, but we haven't even seen gameplay footage yet...even if you think there's no reason to doubt you'll like this, why chance it?

Yeah, that surprises me too. I'm not sure what the obsession is with preordering anyway. I rarely do so, but that must be just me then.

[Daralii]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If by "user reviews", you mean seeing what the general consensus on the BSN seems to think, sure, if the information Bioware has revealed up to that point still leaves me on the fence. It's what I did for ME3's Omega and Citadel, choosing to buy the latter but not the former based on others' feedback.

If, however, you mean things like the user reviews on Metacritic, then lolno. Those are largely filled with idiots who give everything zero or ten and whose reviews are usually grammatically-horrendous one-sentence affairs that don't tell you anything.

User reviews tend to be amazingly spiteful as well. If ME3's vanilla ending was enough to prompt boycots, I doubt a lot of people will do more than look at the developer and publisher before giving it a "0/10 devs plz kill urselvs."

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

In part, yes, I'll definitely wait for reviews.

But I'll also wait because I don't trust the DRM not to screw me over like it did with my DA2 pre-order.

[FireAndBlood]

Hmm, should I wait to see the reviews of gamers who only give out 0 and 10 with nothing in between, gamers who rage like spoiled children at anything that does not fit their vision of what a good games is, gamers who accuse anyone of liking said game to be a fan boy, or should I wait to see reviews of actual professionals who analyze the game piece by piece and give a score accordingly.

This will be a tough choice.

[batlin]

FireAndBlood wrote...

Hmm, should I wait to see the reviews of gamers who only give out 0 and 10 with nothing in between, gamers who rage like spoiled children at anything that does not fit their vision of what a good games is, gamers who accuse anyone of liking said game to be a fan boy, or should I wait to see reviews of actual professionals who analyze the game piece by piece and give a score accordingly.

This will be a tough choice.

Professional reviewers rarely dissect long games piece-by-piece. Why? Because no reviewer will play through an entire 40+ hour game before doing their job. Professional reviewers will only give first impressions, if anything.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Is anyone else amazed at how many people have decided to preorder? I mean, I happy for everyone who's enjoyed every recent BW game, but we haven't even seen gameplay footage yet...even if you think there's no reason to doubt you'll like this, why chance it?

Why risk pre-ordering any game? I pre-ordered DAO, Awakening and DA2, and didn't regret any of those choices. At this stage, I see no reason to think I won't enjoy DAI just as much. (Obviously people who didn't like DA2 are in a different position - in that case, I'd think waiting for more information would be the smart choice.)

If the game turns out to be a nug-wrangling simulator interspersed with first-person shooter sections when gameplay footage is released, I can change my mind and cancel the pre-order.

[Reever]

Well, I'm not really that invested in the DA franchise and ME3 was the one and only game I've ever pre-ordered (excluding games backed on Kickstarter, of course, since it's the same,more or less!).

Not having played DA2, I can't say anything about it (but of course, I've read tons of opinions), but I really hope DA:I will be a very good game and everybody will be happy!

And since it seems they'll use the RPG systems they develop for DA:I for the next ME and their new IP, I hope it'll have very good gameplay

[North Light36]

batlin wrote...

North Light36 wrote...

If it turns out I don't enjoy it, that's hardly Bioware's fault.

I.....what....?

Liking a game or not is a matter of taste. Bioware has no control over my personal taste.

As an example, I stopped reading The Wheel of Time novels after the seventh book because I became bored by them. Does that mean Robert Jorden wrote terrible books and owes me my money back for the book I didn't enjoy? No. It means that Robert Jorden wrote a book, that I chose to buy, which I turned out not to like. My personal taste is something Mr. Jorden had no control over, so my liking or disliking the book is not his fault.

Now, if he'd filled the book with a 800 page rant on why he hates readers, then my dislike of it WOULD be his fault. Because he hadn't provided the actual book that was promised.

In Bioware's case, they have promised everyone here a playable game set in the Dragon Age world. As long as they provide that, they've lived up to their promise. Whether or not you like said game is not something Bioware can control, since that would possibly require mind control.

We all have our personal preferences.

Bioware can't possibly make everyone happy.

Therefore, if Bioware sells me a game that has a beginning, middle and end with as few bugs as humanly possible, then I've gotten exactly what I paid for. 

[batlin]

North Light36 wrote...

Liking a game or not is a matter of taste. Bioware has no control over my personal taste.

As an example, I stopped reading The Wheel of Time novels after the seventh book because I became bored by them. Does that mean Robert Jorden wrote terrible books and owes me my money back for the book I didn't enjoy? No. It means that Robert Jorden wrote a book, that I chose to buy, which I turned out not to like. My personal taste is something Mr. Jorden had no control over, so my liking or disliking the book is not his fault.

Now, if he'd filled the book with a 800 page rant on why he hates readers, then my dislike of it WOULD be his fault. Because he hadn't provided the actual book that was promised.

In Bioware's case, they have promised everyone here a playable game set in the Dragon Age world. As long as they provide that, they've lived up to their promise. Whether or not you like said game is not something Bioware can control, since that would possibly require mind control.

We all have our personal preferences.

Bioware can't possibly make everyone happy.

Therefore, if Bioware sells me a game that has a beginning, middle and end with as few bugs as humanly possible, then I've gotten exactly what I paid for. 

Except in the cases where the game they make goes against what they marketed it as. Like how they promised there would be no A, B or C ending in ME3. I would say not liking a game because it's not what was promised to us is absolutely the developer's fault.

[North Light36]

I don't play Mass Effect, so I can't talk about what that team may or may not have promised. If they did as you said, then that sucks.

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you still got a game you can play right? Then you got what you paid for. If it didn't live up to the marketing hype, well... A lot of things don't. Life is full of hard knocks.

I got told I could do a lot of things with my degree in History I got a uni. The end result really didn't live up to the hype and I'm doing a second degree now, in Education. I don't get to demand a refund from my uni because I wasn't able to find the amazing jobs they said were out there. I got my degree, so I got exactly what I paid for.

The fact I hated every minute of it and couldn't find work in the field? Not the university's fault, even if they didn't live up to everything they 'promised'.

[batlin]

North Light36 wrote...

I don't play Mass Effect, so I can't talk about what that team may or may not have promised. If they did as you said, then that sucks.

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you still got a game you can play right? Then you got what you paid for. If it didn't live up to the marketing hype, well... A lot of things don't. Life is full of hard knocks.

I got told I could do a lot of things with my degree in History I got a uni. The end result really didn't live up to the hype and I'm doing a second degree now, in Education. I don't get to demand a refund from my uni because I wasn't able to find the amazing jobs they said were out there. I got my degree, so I got exactly what I paid for.

The fact I hated every minute of it and couldn't find work in the field? Not the university's fault, even if they didn't live up to everything they 'promised'.

Let's say you 're shopping for a lamp, and you find one that's box says it has 10 different brightness settings. You take it home, and find out it only has 3 brightness settings, even though a large reason of why you bought it was because of the claim that it had 10 settings. In this case, did you get what you pay for?

How about TOS where the claim was that the game was KotOR's sequels 3-10 due to each class having a unique storyline, only to find out that each of the storyline quests only lasted about 2 hours total? Did people who wanted KotOR sequels get what he/she paid for?

Point is, there's some things that are absolutely a game developers fault. Like knowingly presenting false information to their customers. This is very different from someone playing DA2 when they like FPSes better.

The former is the developers' fault. The latter is not.

Modifié par batlin, 16 juin 2013 - 03:11 .

[Daralii]

batlin wrote...

North Light36 wrote...

I don't play Mass Effect, so I can't talk about what that team may or may not have promised. If they did as you said, then that sucks.

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you still got a game you can play right? Then you got what you paid for. If it didn't live up to the marketing hype, well... A lot of things don't. Life is full of hard knocks.

I got told I could do a lot of things with my degree in History I got a uni. The end result really didn't live up to the hype and I'm doing a second degree now, in Education. I don't get to demand a refund from my uni because I wasn't able to find the amazing jobs they said were out there. I got my degree, so I got exactly what I paid for.

The fact I hated every minute of it and couldn't find work in the field? Not the university's fault, even if they didn't live up to everything they 'promised'.

Let's say you 're shopping for a lamp, and you find one that's box says it has 10 different brightness settings. You take it home, and find out it only has 3 brightness settings, even though a large reason of why you bought it was because of the claim that it had 10 settings. In this case, did you get what you pay for?

How about TOS where the claim was that the game was KotOR's sequels 3-10 die to each class having a unique storyline, only to find out that each of the storyline quests only lasted about 2 hours total? Did people who wanted KotOR sequels get what he/she paid for?

Point is, there's some things that are absolutely a game developers fault. Like knowingly presenting false information to their customers. This is very different from someone playing DA2 when they like FPSes better.

The former is the developers' fault. The latter is not.

A 50 level storyline could be done in a couple hours? :\\

[batlin]

Daralii wrote...

A 50 level storyline could be done in a couple hours? : \\

The actual storyline quests only take up about 2 hours total. The generic quests are what take up the vast majority of the 1-50 quests.

[Daralii]

batlin wrote...

Daralii wrote...

A 50 level storyline could be done in a couple hours? :

The actual storyline quests only take up about 2 hours total. The generic quests are what take up the vast majority of the 1-50 quests.

Not really. There was a class-specific storyline for every planet along the way in addition to the generic quests.

[imbs]

Pre-ordering at this point seems pretty stupid. It's impossible to gauge how good DAI will be as of right now, and their recent games have been completely inconsistent. The marks in this thread are exactly the reason things like Day 1 DLC and micro-transactions fly.

[batlin]

Daralii wrote...

batlin wrote...

Daralii wrote...

A 50 level storyline could be done in a couple hours? :

The actual storyline quests only take up about 2 hours total. The generic quests are what take up the vast majority of the 1-50 quests.

Not really. There was a class-specific storyline for every planet along the way in addition to the generic quests.

Yes, and if you line all the class-specific storylines from 1-50 up, you'll get about 2-5 hours of unique gameplay for each class. Assuming of course you succeed on each quest.

[North Light36]

batlin wrote...

North Light36 wrote...

I don't play Mass Effect, so I can't talk about what that team may or may not have promised. If they did as you said, then that sucks.

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you still got a game you can play right? Then you got what you paid for. If it didn't live up to the marketing hype, well... A lot of things don't. Life is full of hard knocks.

I got told I could do a lot of things with my degree in History I got a uni. The end result really didn't live up to the hype and I'm doing a second degree now, in Education. I don't get to demand a refund from my uni because I wasn't able to find the amazing jobs they said were out there. I got my degree, so I got exactly what I paid for.

The fact I hated every minute of it and couldn't find work in the field? Not the university's fault, even if they didn't live up to everything they 'promised'.

Let's say you 're shopping for a lamp, and you find one that's box says it has 10 different brightness settings. You take it home, and find out it only has 3 brightness settings, even though a large reason of why you bought it was because of the claim that it had 10 settings. In this case, did you get what you pay for?

In that case, I return the lamp because it clearly has a defect and isn't working properly. Not the same as a game/book/movie that doesn't live up to marketing hype.

Spider-Man 3 was a shockingly bad movie, in my opinion, and didn't live up to the promises of a fantastic story with deep and sympathetic villians. Doesn't mean I get to demand the producer refunds my movie ticket. I choose to see the movie in cinema. The fact I didn't LIKE the movie doesn't mean I didn't get the opportunity to sit for two hours and watch actors playing roles. I got what I paid for.

If I pre-order DA:I and recieve a working game? Then I got what I paid for. If I turn out not to like it? Then I won't buy the next one. But the bargin comes down to a simple exchange. I, the customer, give Bioware money for a working game called DA:I. Bioware takes my money and gives me said working game.

After that, anything else is out of Bioware's control.