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[BanksHector]

Since I have enjoyed DA2, ME3, and TOR, I will preorder it. None of the games was perfect, but I enjoyed them all and was worth the money. I do not trust users review.

[ANGRYWOLF1]

Yes.User reviews on youtube.

[The Night Haunter]

imbs wrote...

Sutekh wrote...
There's a difference between falling for a franchise and pre-ordering out of (admitted) blind love and condoning sleazy business practices such as micro-transactions.

In the end, though, it's our money; we use it as we see fit. No need to be all judgmental about it and pretend we're traitors - or gullilble suckers - working against the Holy Gamer True Cause, yeah? I actually find it puzzling that we have to explain and justify ourselves on the topic.

Amusing post. The traitor thing is particularly ironic, considering that that is exactly the type of thing mindless fans often say of people who decide not to pre-order items of a particular franchise before there is *any* information available whatsoever.

Mindlessly pre-ordering sequels to games like that has been masquerading as loyalty for years. It's the same everywhere.

Bioware could literally make an absolutely mediocre game, sell it to you people for 40 quid and that wouldn't even be the end of it. You would defend said game no matter how rushed or shoddy it was, and you would probably be ready to pre-order the next game.

You don't have to defend yourselves at all; it is indeed your money. I am merely voicing my opinion that such practises are the height of stupidity. It's the reason why COD does so well after all. I take my hat off to companies who are smart enough to exploit it.

So fans don't have to defend themselves against you calling them stupid? That right there seems 'stupid' to me.

You are also assuming your views of games are the only view, that if you didn;t enjoy something no-one else could. It seems someone here does indeed have 'stupid' ideas.

Neither DA2 nor ME3 was an 'absolutely mediocre' game, DA2 was Biowares poorest effort in my opinion and even that was enjoyable, I got 3 full playthroughs out of it (spread out over 2 years granted, but since I rarely replay other games anyway thats hardly an inditement) I'd say getting 60ish hours of play out of a $50 purchase is getting my moneys worth. Do I wish DA2 was better and more polished? Of course. But I'm not going to complain that DA2 was better than other RPGs released in the same year. Its like complaining that Diablo 3 isnt as good as D2 (something I believe to be completely true). D3 is still good enough, I spent no money on RMAH and I don't worry about 'gearing up' lvl 60's, I just play and have fun.

[Zippy72]

The whole pre-order debate, for any game, is kinda complex. We don't even know what the pre-order bonuses are yet.

In more general terms I'm finding YouTube Let's play videos are a godsend for games I'm on the fence about.

[Zeldrik1389]

It really depends. Between now and Fall next year, they will hopefully give us more info about the game. If those info are detailed, and interesting enough, I would pre-order it because I would want to play as soon as possible (yes, I'm that impatient when it come to my favorite games lol).

[Ryzaki]

Waiting to make sure the protagonist is actually a character I like this time.

Don't wanna another Hawke.

[deuce985]

Nah. I don't need "professional" or "user" reviews to make my mind up to buy a game. I can think for myself. I'll watch the gameplay videos and if I like what I see, day 1. If I don't, not going to buy. That simple.

Now if it comes to some disaster like a technical situation on day 1, I'm sure Bioware will fix whatever it is. I don't need to read other opinions to validate my own. I put very little value in other opinions because I know what I like and I can get a feel of what the game is like through videos.

Modifié par deuce985, 16 juin 2013 - 09:33 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I enjoyed DA2 despite agreeing with a number of criticisms, and I enjoyed ME3 overall (was never rah-rah over the endings, but I'm okay with them). Therefore, I will preoder DA3 when it is available; I might even get the CE if the goodies interest me.

The last magazine I ever relied on for serious reviews was Computer Gaming World, and it's been gone for years now. I still read magazines and professional reviews because I like cogent, decently-written articles describing feaures and gameplay.

I don't decide if I should get something based solely on the shiny numbers I see, and that includes both professional and user reviews. Speaking of user reviews, I certainly give them a look to see what fellow gamers think, but, how shall I put this...fans can sometimes lack objectivity. In any case, my spidey sense usually keeps me safe from real stinkers. After all, despite being a huge Walking Dead fan, I just knew to stay away from Survival Instinct no matter how much I like Daryl & Merle.

[Rixatrix]

Day one Collector's Edition buy for me.

I did feel like DA2 did not live up to DAO, but I still enjoyed it much more than the vast majority of non-BioWare RPGs I've played.

[Tommyspa]

No, I won't read reviews first. I don't need someone else to tell me if I'm going to like a game to be ok with buying it.

[Wozearly]

North Light36 wrote...

batlin wrote...

Let's say you 're shopping for a lamp, and you find one that's box says it has 10 different brightness settings. You take it home, and find out it only has 3 brightness settings, even though a large reason of why you bought it was because of the claim that it had 10 settings. In this case, did you get what you pay for?

In that case, I return the lamp because it clearly has a defect and isn't working properly. Not the same as a game/book/movie that doesn't live up to marketing hype...

If I pre-order DA:I and recieve a working game? Then I got what I paid for. If I turn out not to like it? Then I won't buy the next one.

By your own logic, you got what you paid for with the lamp and shouldn't return it. It is working, it simply has fewer brightness settings than advertised...clearly your fault for believing what was written in the marketing on the box (kerching!).

Your general point though, that its next to impossible to seek redress for an experience purchase based on how it is marketed, is absolutely spot on. Which is why there is a perennial atmosphere of distrust between consumers and marketers for these products, as marketers have proven to be quite happy to layer on the BS and hype knowing there's next to nothing a consumer can do about it.

[AmRMa]

Nah, I'm going to pre-order it. I don't want to wait to play, I'm too impatient. Also not totally burned on DA2 I thought it improved with replay.

[Twisted Path]

bEVEsthda wrote...

Funny thing, I know some exact same thing happened to me a long time ago. The movie was "crap" they said. So I didn't see it. For some years. Eventually I was forced to. Turned out the movie was totally awesome. Don't trust friends. Specially not the kind that goes "emo" this and "emo" that.

Well, like I said sometimes bad reviews (from critics or friends,) can still tell you that it's something you'll like.

[Cutlass Jack]

I have yet to be unhappy with a Bioware game. Why on earth would I care what others user think over that? I fully expect to preorder the game. The only thing to change my mind about that would be advertised well in advance of release. (such as not having a player created protaganist)

But I like this point:

Twisted Path wrote...

Well, like I said sometimes bad reviews (from critics or friends,) can still tell you that it's something you'll like.

The mark of a good review to me is one that presents all points good and bad so the reader can make an informed opinion. I have bought games I've enjoyed because of negative reviews I've read. Mainly because what bothered the reviewer wasn't something that bothered me. But some other feature they talked about was something I really liked.

The mark of a bad review is one that gets so wrapped up about ranting about whatever bothered them that it neglects anything it cant rant about.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 17 juin 2013 - 12:18 .

[Allan Schumacher]

batlin wrote...

Is anyone else amazed at how many people have decided to preorder? I mean, I happy for everyone who's enjoyed every recent BW game, but we haven't even seen gameplay footage yet...even if you think there's no reason to doubt you'll like this, why chance it?

I rarely preorder games in general, but I think your thinking is a bit rigid.

I'd be surprised if everyone saying they'd preorder now would unequivocally preorder the game no matter what.  If they see some stuff during prerelease that makes them really go "whoa.... I don't like that" they can change their minds.

They're just filling in the blanks right now based on prior experiences with BioWare games, which is presumably more positive than your own experiences.

[LittleDiegito]

batlin wrote...

Is anyone else amazed at how many people have decided to preorder? I mean, I happy for everyone who's enjoyed every recent BW game, but we haven't even seen gameplay footage yet...even if you think there's no reason to doubt you'll like this, why chance it?

I pre order games for a few reasons. In this case I have enjoyed all of Biowares games so far. I think that DA2 was the weakest of the lot but I still enjoyed it quite a bit. I by no means feel I was burned with ME3. I think it was a great game. Bioware has long ago earned my trust with their games. When I pre order games it is always from companies who's previous games I have enjoyed enough to want to get their next offering on release day.

In addition to this my budget does not allow for me to just up and throw $70 at something like a video game all at once, so pre ordering allows me to pay $5 here and $5 there which is a lot more manageble for me.

If, somewhere down the line, I see something that is a dealbreaker for me I can always cancel the pre order or move it to something else. No big deal.

[BonFire5]

I may pre-order if there's the Signature Edition incentive again, but I'll (hopefully) not open it until there's decent user reviews and the first big patch that gets rid of (at this point I figure it's a given) the massive amount of glitches. Though, given BioWare's track record with patching, I can't really hold my breath for it. If it isn't good news, I'll return the thing for all my money's worth.

DAII was rushed and lazy but I did/do enjoy it more than Origins if only because it feels slightly less glitchy. Mass Effect 3 is keeping me away from actually trying to believe in BioWare at the moment. Even if they're separate parts of the same owned company.

Modifié par BonFire5, 17 juin 2013 - 02:08 .

[CELL55]

Definitely waiting.

[liquidsnakehpks]

100% not pre- ordering , still feeling the effects of getting me 3 and that ending

[berelinde]

I didn't preorder Dragon Age: Origins. I regretted it deeply. I preordered Dragon Age: Awakening, and I was glad I did. I preordered DA2 and I was glad I did... even if I am sick of hearing about paw prints each time I click on the bed.

I am unsure about DA3. I have no concerns about the technical aspects of the game. I don't need a tactical overhead camera to be happy, and I don't really care if we encounter six new beasties or nine. I'm equally placid about the companions. No matter who they choose, I'm sure I'll like most of them. I am concerned about the level of customization we will have regarding the protagonist. I don't refer to the physical appearance. I mean the political affiliations and backstory. If it's too rigid or assumes a particular set of beliefs, I'm not going to be able to enjoy it. I replay games ad nauseum. I have completed well over a dozen DA2 games and at least 6-7 DA:O games. A protagonist that is "fixed" to too great a degree will prevent me from getting my money's worth, so I would wait until it hit the $10 bargain bin, if I bought it at all.

If, on the other hand, the pre-release trailers, gameplay videos, etc. shows the kind of customization I want, I will definitely preorder. With as many times as I replay a game, $60-$80 for a game probably works out to about $0.10/hour, and I like the preorder incentives.

[valkulon]

I'll buy, probably pre-order even, if the game looks like something I would enjoy. Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 didn't disappoint me, so right now DA:I is on my put some money down for a pre-order list when more info is available, namely a release date.

If I don't like what I see in their information releases, then I'll skip it like countless other games that I didn't like the look of.
Oh, also I don't give a **** about reviews. 

Modifié par Valhart, 17 juin 2013 - 03:20 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Bioware went fairly downhill recently with their games. DA2 was a mess (thank goodness I just borrowed it from my aunt) I preorded the CE ME3 and it was such a dismal failure I only played it once before chucking it out.

I'm also ignoring 'professional' reviewers after I played ME3/DA2 and saw all the five-star reviews and had to wonder if I played the wrong game (especially those idiots who seemed to think ME3 vanilla game was a great and satisfying end wtf)

So I'll just borrow it from someone down the track. Not buying it.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 17 juin 2013 - 03:23 .

[The Elite Elite]

Well, whether or not I buy the game at or soon after release will have more to do with whether or not I have the Xbox One and the money for DA:I or not. But assuming I do have both the One and the money for it, I think it's quite likely I'll pick the game up fairly quickly. Unlike a lot of people, I actually enjoyed DA2. Did I think it was a big step down from Origins? Yes, but I still found it to be a fun game. Did I hate ME3's ending like a big chunk of people? Yes, but I still absolutely loved the rest of the experience of the game.

I guess what I'm saying is, yes BioWare's last couple of games have had some letdowns. But I found the fun and enjoyment of those games outweighed the disappointing parts for me. So BioWare is still a name I trust to give me a fun and enjoyable experience. I very much look forward to Inquisition.

[Roninbarista]

I'd preorder. I loved DA:O, and DA 2, I see myself getting a mix of both and some new surprises. An open world sounds daunting, and ambitious.