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[Sanunes]

Wozearly wrote...

North Light36 wrote...

batlin wrote...

Let's say you 're shopping for a lamp, and you find one that's box says it has 10 different brightness settings. You take it home, and find out it only has 3 brightness settings, even though a large reason of why you bought it was because of the claim that it had 10 settings. In this case, did you get what you pay for?

In that case, I return the lamp because it clearly has a defect and isn't working properly. Not the same as a game/book/movie that doesn't live up to marketing hype...

If I pre-order DA:I and recieve a working game? Then I got what I paid for. If I turn out not to like it? Then I won't buy the next one.

By your own logic, you got what you paid for with the lamp and shouldn't return it. It is working, it simply has fewer brightness settings than advertised...clearly your fault for believing what was written in the marketing on the box (kerching!).

Your general point though, that its next to impossible to seek redress for an experience purchase based on how it is marketed, is absolutely spot on. Which is why there is a perennial atmosphere of distrust between consumers and marketers for these products, as marketers have proven to be quite happy to layer on the BS and hype knowing there's next to nothing a consumer can do about it.

So should I go get my money back from WB because I was promised a Superman movie in Man of Steel and the main character didn't match up to what I expect from Superman? Or with Dark Knight Rises should I get my money back because I felt the voice over for Bane broke my immersion because it was layered ontop of the movie audio track because it was broken for it was hard to understand what Tom Hardy was saying with the first cut and they had to re-record everything?

I get that you feel mislead, but at the same time I can see the truth in most of the statements BioWare made or the intent of what they were trying and honestly they have shown me they have learned from those mistakes with their new "show, not tell" policy, even though people on the BSN are disappointed they weren't told everything about the plot at E3.

Modifié par Sanunes, 17 juin 2013 - 03:33 .

[Zekka]

When I look for reviews on a game I go to as many sites as I need, if all the reviewers complain about the same thing then it i sa problem. Personally I watch Angryjoe's reviews and I watch smudmoys analysis on different games.

I am almost sure there will be a demo before the game comes out so I won't be too worried about purchasing the game or not. If the demo is good chances are the game will be good, if it is bad then the game might be bad.

Modifié par leslie2233, 17 juin 2013 - 03:49 .

[dewayne31]

No I loved da2 still play now and then.me3 was awesome. the ec fixed my two issues with the ending. which they werent masjor issues. but drove me nuts. one was seeing liara as my li all the time. the otherr was how did my squad get back on the normandy. so a day 1 buy for me

[Plaintiff]

No. Why would I care what a bunch of egotistic, perpetual malcontents think?

Modifié par Plaintiff, 17 juin 2013 - 10:09 .

[brushyourteeth]

Nope. I don't trust the general consensus much since the gaming community is so fickle and already chomping at the bits to see a Bioware failure (sadly).

I'll take a gamble with my money, since it's really not that huge of an investment anyway. But I have faith that Bioware has the stuff it takes to deliver, if given enough time and freedom to do their thing.

Besides, while it's true that you'll never get your $60-ish dollars or 30-ish valuable hours of your life back, that's far fewer than what's been wasted on the BSN by folks who claim to have no faith in Bioware and yet hound the forums looking for things to complain about or opportunities to express fresh doubt. If your time is too valuable to waste on untested games, it's far too valuable to already complain about those that have barely any information released yet.

I intend to play the game and make up my own mind. Even DAII, which was a bit of a letdown for me, was still worth every penny I spent on it and I would have been ashamed of myself if I had let someone else or the *general consensus* (which I often disagree with) take the right I hold to formulate my own opinion out of my hands.

Today I make my stand. I will not be a sheep, yo.

[brushyourteeth]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I enjoyed DA:O. Loved DA2 and the ME series. I intend to pre-order DA3.

To address this:

batlin wrote...

A bit off-topic but...what's the point of preordering? When's the last time a game, even a new AAA title, was sold out at any major store?

Preordering is something about the convenience - being able to have the game mailed to you or be available for download right away. Some folks may not like the major retailers or game stores in their vicinity, and would prefer to purchase from a different entity.

This. Also, some of us live in a cornfield and would rather not have to drive 45 minutes to pick up the game. I always give the UPS guy an ice cold Dr. Pepper when he brings me mah video games.

I also like the perks and fancy packages. Call me shallow -- I'm a fangirl. I also support Bioware and think our devs deserve a cut of the extra $10-$15 for making me smile so much.

[Matchy Pointy]

It's not like user reviews are really better then any other review to begin with.

[Wolfva2]

I'll probably preorder the game. I really don't care what other people think of something. After all, their likes and dislikes may be different from mine. I liked what BW did with the previous DA games, as well as the ME and BG games. So, I'll trust they'll put out something I like again. Hopefully better then DA2 though <G>.

[theflyingzamboni]

I for one will wait for the reviews, though I look forward to them with trepidation. This is mainly because I've decided that pre-ordering is just an irresponsible consumer practice I don't want to engage in. DA2 and ME3 brought about these feelings, although I don't regret buying them in the least. DA2 had a lot of flaws - and I mean a lot - but in spite of them I enjoyed myself for 2 playthroughs, which is as many as I had of DA:O. And ME3 I thought was largely brilliant, with the only major issues being auto-dialogue and the ending. Even with those problems though, it was a fantastic game and I've completed all 3 of my Shepards.

But what do I see from reviews? From professional reviewers, too much praise without acknowledging flaws. Can't go by what they say. From users? A lot of *****ing and 1 and 2 star reviews because they've decided that Bioware has betrayed them or some similar nonsense. I go on the forums, and people make up there own issues, about things that weren't bad, and nobody would have thought them bad if they weren't already set on tearing the games new ones. It's like people just decided that if they didn't like parts of the games, then they couldn't like any part of them.

And the worst part of it is, is that there is an element of the (former-ish) fanbase that is ready to rip into Bioware no matter what their new games are like. If there are almost no flaws, people will make them up and say the game was **** anyway, because for some, I don't think it's about the games anymore. It's about internet rage and anonymous validation, self-satisfaction, self-righteousness, and a lot of smug back-patting.

So I'm stuck. I want to wait to see reviews, but I already know what most of the people who will actually bother to write reviews will say. I can't trust either the reviewers or the fanbase to give me comprehensive and well-balanced opinions of Bioware's games. I guess in the end I'll just do my best to sift through all the reviews to find the actual truth, and probably end up getting DA:I and deciding for myself. Just not on Day 1.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Hell yeah I'm waiting!The days of me buying Bioware games on the first day are over...sadly I purposely waited for the price of DA2 and ME3 to drop before I bought them,and am glad I did.Those two games were not worth $60

[thebigbad1013]

I'll preorder, play it as soon as I get it and form my own opinion of the game rather than just adopt someone elses opinion, but that's just me.

[royceclemens]

Being as professional reviewers cannot, on the whole, be trusted and user reviews can be blinded by nerd rage and fanboy blinders, I'm actually waiting for the Youtube playthroughs. If it looks like fun after an hour, I'll buy it.

A couple of weeks after street date, though. Just to see if there are no save glitches or if all the scenes play out in the right order, stuff like that. That's one thing user reviews ARE good for.

[puppy maclove]

I'm gonna wait 6 months at least after release (price drop) and then maybe I'll get it, if its any good.

I pre-ordered that piece of crap DA2 and got burnt, so no more BW pre-orders for me.

The only game I will pre-order is the TW3 from CDPR, they awwesome.

[CrazyRah]

Most likely going to sit back and wait for reactions to the game and decide from what people i trust say

[edeheusch]

Domecoming wrote...

Not really. I'll look up user reviews, sure, but ultimately by the time I do that, my personal opinion on the game will already be fully formed.

I visit this forum on a daily basis. I follow the twitter thread, read developer forum posts; in future I will watch the reveal, interviews, press conferences, panels, presentations, etc... Hopefully, they'll also release a playable demo.

There is more than a year until the game is released, so I think there will be plenty of opportunities for me to look for potential 'warning signs'. I think it's safe to say I'll be informed enough to decide for myself if the game is for me or not.

I’m a bit like Domecoming, before the game came out there were many 'warning signs' about DA2 not being as good (to my point of view) as DAO was. For example, I did not enjoy at all the gameplay of the Demo and if it hasn’t been the sequel of DAO, I would not have tried the final game at all.

In addition, I have some fear about the user reviews. I think that most of the users that were really disappointed by DA2 (like I was) won’t buy DAI on day one so the first user reviews will be done by people that liked DA2 (which is definitively not my case). Let’s be clear, I don’t find DA2 to be a really bad game but it wasn’t a good game either, it was just an (bellow) average game.
Some people claim that DA2 shouldn’t be compared to DAO and that if you judge it by itself it is still a good game, but I don’t agree with that. By itself it is an average game that would not have provoked so much disappointment but that would have sold much less, DA2 sold so well because it was the sequel of DAO!!!

Anyway, I could choose to buy DAI on day one if there are other indications that show me that it will be a game I like. A demo where I could test the gameplay would definitively be a good indication, the different feature that will be in the game (the presence or not of an isometric camera will be one of my main decision factors), and some professional reviews that weren’t blind about DA2 problem (for example rock, paper, shotgun, made a review and an analysis that highlighted most of my concern about DA2) should help to take my decision.      

[Ghaleon]

batlin wrote...

Because holding off on buying ME3 was one of the wisest business decisions I've made lately. After being burned by DA2 and TOR, I couldn't justify buying ME3 day 1. Same goes with this.

I want DA3 to be good. I would love it to be as good or better than DA:O. But frankly, professional reviewers have long-since proven that they overinflate their reviews for AAA titles. I doubt alot of those people who like DA2 more than DA:O would agree that DA2 deserved the 9.5/10s it got. And while I also don't think DA2 deserves the 2/10s it got from users on metacritic, they were definitely an indicator that DA2 didn't live up to people's expectations. That' why in cases like this, I cant justify buying DA3 before looking at user reviews.

Anyone else think this way?

Nope i  will be  Pre ordering it, and i  was  one of the people angry about  ME3 and  DA2 slightly, but in the end even with the negatives that i am sure  we have  all have read 100s of times they  were  both still really  fun games that i had a  blast playing.

And i fully trust   Bioware   that i will have a blast  with  Dragon Age  3  and  ME4 and  any game they make, too many forgot over all the ending controversy for ME3 and the stuff with  DA2 that they still delivered  on being  great  games.


All that aside  even if  they weren't i've had  fun with the games  Bioware has made for  over  10 years  now, so even if a  few miss the mark they have a  good enough  track record  to trust  what they  do.

Modifié par Ghaleon80, 17 juin 2013 - 09:08 .

[Goatmanwashere]

I never care for the opinion of other users, so no.

[PaulSX]

I personally never paid full price for any mass effect games but Dragon Age is another story. I will preorder as soon as it become availabe on Amazon website.

[Lindum]

I am going to wait for user reviews, before buying DAI.

My reasons for waiting are that I found DA2 and SWTOR disappointing.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Yes I'll wait for user reviews, Bioware fool me once shame on you, but fool me twice shame on me.

[Adzcriz]

After the debacle of DA2, which wasnt that bad, but neither great, plus the epic outcry over ME3, I like to think BW has learned a few things from its customer base, and while if another "Awsome Button" thing happens, it will illicit a frown, I do anticipate Bioware going all out to deliver something good, TOR wasn't bad either, nothing they have released really has been bad, but rather mediocre of late, and so with that in mind I will form my own opinions on it, but will likley pre-order simply because Bioware really is the only company that delivers this time of rpg, and tend to keep me occupied for quite a while.

[crimzontearz]

I will be waiting on either user reviews here or a full plot and endings leak before purchase

Also....uhm....confirmation of NG+ (come on Bioware, even TESMMO is getting optional NG+ why not DA?)

[R0vena]

I'll pre-order, no doubt. SE, if available.
ME 3 and DA 2 had their flaws, but were still highly enjoyable for me and way above everything else out there in the game world (again, according to my personal taste).
I never read reviews. Prefer to form my own opinion.

[Taint Master]

Probably won't bother pre-ordering. DA2 was very disappointing to me, and SWToR has been a bit of a let down as well. Hell, I still haven't bought ME3 based on the overwhelmingly negative reactions to it.

At this point though I feel pretty invested in the DA franchise though. I kind of want to know how it all turns out, especially now that Morrigan is back in the picture.

[Zkyire]

I never read user reviews. Quite frankly, nobody else's opinion matters to me when it comes to buying a game.

I'll watch the trailers, follow the news and judge for myself if it's worth getting, subsequently play it and judge for myself whether it's a good game or not.

Pre-order? Not surprised, BW will always have fans, as for myself, I'm waiting for more information.