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[Mulsanne Blue]

I don't need someone's opinion to help me make a decision on how to spend my money. As others have stated, I am fully capable of making my own decisions regarding anything I purchase. I have yet to read a review on any product that I have fully agreed with (customer or otherwise). I know what I like to see from my video games. As Allan said earlier, if I start to see things I do not like, I will make the decision to cancel my preorder (or not place one at all). I completely understand that there are people that did not like DA2. I was not one of them. While there were some aspects that I was not fond of, I enjoyed the game overall. And I would more than likely preorder the next ME game too (because I enjoyed ME3 overall, even though I was less than thrilled with the endings).

The thing you have to keep in mind with customer reviews is that they are subjective and only represent a fraction of the buying population. Additionally, they tend to be made up of people who really love the product or hate it. The middle ground is rarely represented. I suppose some people may find user reviews beneficial in the sense that they can pick and choose the different aspects to look at, but you are still relying on other people's opinions and experiences.

As more information and visuals come out about the game, you may find that you change your mind (or it could reinforce your point of view)...You could always wait for a demo and make the decision yourself.

[jkflipflopDAO]

I'm never going to purchase the game anyways, but even if I were I would wait for the user reviews before buying the game. After DA3, TOR, and then ME3 falling down a troubling quality trend, it doesn't bode well for this newest title.

[realguile]

Stjerne wrote...

No, I'm getting this game no matter what.
I love the world of dragon age too much.

Origins is one of my favourite games and one of my most played.
I HAVE TO get this game no matter how bad the reviews are.
I have too much history and love for the franchise.

Yeah, sadly this is how I feel.

[Daralii]

I still don't get why people keep bringing up ME3 and TOR as examples when they were done by different teams, TOR in a different country.

[Iraea]

Nobody remembers the 'Isabela friendship bug'?
It made the game virtually useless for a lot of gamers  - and was fixed only with the second patch. It took weeks before it became playable (without a fan-made fix).
And by that time in my area the price of the game had already dropped about 40%.
And additionally one could get a copy of ME2 for free ('Due to the huge success of DA2...').
Don't get me wrong: in the end I liked DA2 - but for sure I will wait a bit and inform myself next time.

[Ottemis]

Agent599xx wrote...

I have yet to read a review on any product that I have fully agreed with (customer or otherwise). I know what I like to see from my video games. As Allan said earlier, if I start to see things I do not like, I will make the decision to cancel my preorder (or not place one at all). I completely understand that there are people that did not like DA2. I was not one of them. While there were some aspects that I was not fond of, I enjoyed the game overall.

Having agreed with all of that, I will buy the feck out of DA3 for all the above reasons. Based on what I've seen sofar and my personal experience with the two earlier games I will no doubt enjoy it.

Every game has bugs btw, I don't think I have to mention Skyrim. Nah, don't think I do. If that's going to stop you in the case of DA3, ehh.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 juin 2013 - 04:45 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

Daralii wrote...

I still don't get why people keep bringing up ME3 and TOR as examples when they were done by different teams, TOR in a different country.

Those teams are all ran by the same people. If there's some problem at he top that's trickling it's way down it will poison the whole company.

[imbs]

People who are saying the user reviews are useless, how stupid do you have to be to be unable to gauge how good or genuinely well-recieved the game was based on the reaction of fans to the game? It's trivially easy to pick out the mindless fans who would 10/10 games like dragon age 2 and pretend they werent biased and the trolls who give 0s to a game because they don't like the dev/fans/whatever.

It really isn't hard to spend 20 minutes on a neutral (and hopefully objective) forum (read; not here) and get a feeling on how well the game was recieved. I have not been surprised at the quality of a game I have purchased for years.

[Daralii]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Daralii wrote...

I still don't get why people keep bringing up ME3 and TOR as examples when they were done by different teams, TOR in a different country.

Those teams are all ran by the same people. If there's some problem at he top that's trickling it's way down it will poison the whole company.

And both EA and Bioware have changed leadership since then, so...?

[bEVEsthda]

Fraq Hound wrote...

iakus wrote...

I seriously doubt I'll preorder. ME3 is a cautionary tale concerning caveat emptor

^--- This. So very much this.

- But:  The DA team is not the ME team!

[Mulsanne Blue]

Daralii wrote...

I still don't get why people keep bringing up ME3 and TOR as examples when they were done by different teams, TOR in a different country.

Because it speaks to the overall distrust that many people apparently have with BioWare overall in light of recent releases.

[Iakus]

Daralii wrote...

I still don't get why people keep bringing up ME3 and TOR as examples when they were done by different teams, TOR in a different country.

What's funny is I heard the exact same stuff after Da2:

"Don't worry about Mass Effect 3, it's done by an entirely different team."

Truth is, after DAO, I've seen a sharp decline in the games in general.  ME3 just proved to be the worst thus far.

[Rahneface]

Ahahaha no, I am getting it as soon as it comes out. I wouldn't want some other person's review coloring my perception of a game, especially one I'm really excited about.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Probably not. Other users don't share my preferences. Only I can know whether I like something.

[Dutchess]

Agent599xx wrote...

I don't need someone's opinion to help me make a decision on how to spend my money. As others have stated, I am fully capable of making my own decisions regarding anything I purchase.

I have seen this pop up a lot in this thread and it confuses me. Since when does looking at reviews, be it by fellow gamers of professional reviews, mean that you can't make your own decisions? I'd say it is one of the steps in making an informed decision yourself. Some people make it sound like you can't think for yourself when you want to wait for other opinions before you buy a game. Some sense of logic in this thread.

[HolyAvenger]

I waited for DA2 to be on sale before buying it, on the strength of reviews and feedback and it turned out to be a wise decision. So yes, I will wait once more.

[PsychoBlonde]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

batlin wrote...

Is anyone else amazed at how many people have decided to preorder? I mean, I happy for everyone who's enjoyed every recent BW game, but we haven't even seen gameplay footage yet...even if you think there's no reason to doubt you'll like this, why chance it?

I rarely preorder games in general, but I think your thinking is a bit rigid.

I'd be surprised if everyone saying they'd preorder now would unequivocally preorder the game no matter what.  If they see some stuff during prerelease that makes them really go "whoa.... I don't like that" they can change their minds.

They're just filling in the blanks right now based on prior experiences with BioWare games, which is presumably more positive than your own experiences.

Exactly.  I feel I have a personal relationship with the DA franchise after all the time I've spent on the forums and eagerly snarfing up each new bit of info and new product released.  (I own all the books and comics that were actually written by members of the DA team, after all.)  Even if DA:I is TERRIBLE (which I consider unlikely), I still want to be there for it.  For me (and I am in no way saying anybody else should be like this) DA isn't a hired stripper, expected to damn well dance for her tips.  It's more like a spouse--someone you love and care about even when they are not doing so hot.

Sure, there are things Bioware could do that would make me call for a metaphorical divorce from this franchise, but I'm not some kind of imbecile for "tolerating" things I wouldn't from a complete stranger I paid to do a job.  I don't demand that everybody love DA like I do--however I do demand that people respect my love even if they don't share it.

[Kel Riever]

No game in the entire history of games has ever been worth pre-ordering to me.

The only thing I would pre-order, ever, is a car I wanted. Because it is a product that, if you want it to be a specific way, you need to preorder it. And of course, it would only be with a dealership and a company that it would matter to preorder with.

Never have I regretted it, either. Not even for ME1 or DAO, which are probably my favorite video games of all time. Video games are, just, not important enough to pre-order.

[Jerrybnsn]

renjility wrote...

Agent599xx wrote...

I don't need someone's opinion to help me make a decision on how to spend my money. As others have stated, I am fully capable of making my own decisions regarding anything I purchase.

I have seen this pop up a lot in this thread and it confuses me. Since when does looking at reviews, be it by fellow gamers of professional reviews, mean that you can't make your own decisions? I'd say it is one of the steps in making an informed decision yourself. Some people make it sound like you can't think for yourself when you want to wait for other opinions before you buy a game. Some sense of logic in this thread.

I agree.  Would you hire a contractor or an employee without checking references?  You'd be insane if you did.

[bEVEsthda]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

renjility wrote...

Agent599xx wrote...

I don't need someone's opinion to help me make a decision on how to spend my money. As others have stated, I am fully capable of making my own decisions regarding anything I purchase.

I have seen this pop up a lot in this thread and it confuses me. Since when does looking at reviews, be it by fellow gamers of professional reviews, mean that you can't make your own decisions? I'd say it is one of the steps in making an informed decision yourself. Some people make it sound like you can't think for yourself when you want to wait for other opinions before you buy a game. Some sense of logic in this thread.

I agree.  Would you hire a contractor or an employee without checking references?  You'd be insane if you did.

It's different. A contractor or employee could seriously hurt you, far beyond the salary you pay. The game is just a game. Money under the bridge... A deal that is ended as soon as it's made.

[cactusberry]

Nope; I'm going to pre-order.

[PsychoBlonde]

renjility wrote...

I have seen this pop up a lot in this thread and it confuses me. Since when does looking at reviews, be it by fellow gamers of professional reviews, mean that you can't make your own decisions? I'd say it is one of the steps in making an informed decision yourself. Some people make it sound like you can't think for yourself when you want to wait for other opinions before you buy a game. Some sense of logic in this thread.

There's a difference between evaluating reviews and basing your purchases on reviews.  The former is an active person who thinks critically about not just the score but also the source of the evaluation, their past agreement/disagreement with the reviewers, etc. etc.  The second is just waiting mindlessly for a thumbs up/thumbs down.  It's impossible to know which is which from the simple statement "I'll wait for the reviews".

If you want to demonstrate that you intend to make a crtical analysis, you should instead say something like "I'm waiting for more non-hype info that will help me evaluate aspects of the game content for myself, of which reviews are a part, alongside other things like a good-sized demo, previews, plot synopses, etc. etc."

If you aren't a diehard fan of the franchise like I am, it's PERFECTLY rational to refuse to make a buying decision at this point because there's basically no *information* out on the game yet.  This will change in the coming year, meaning some people may not feel the need to wait until the game is actually out and they can basically watch 100% of the cinematics and gameplay on Youtube.  (Or do what many people CLAIM they do and torrent it to see if it's "worth" buying.  No, really, they're going to pay for it if they like it--after having played it until they were bored with it.  No, really they are!  STOP LAUGHING!!!!!)

As far as I'm concerned, the only irrational attitude is the one I just mentioned, the "I demand the game free and MAYBE I'll condescend to pay for it at some unspecified future time".  I don't care how many "bad" games you've "wasted" money on so you feel you have it coming to you.  Even a real stinker of a game embodies many man-decades (if not man-centuries) of work, love, effort, and devotion.  Heck, some of them are entertaining in their awfulness.  If you expect to share in that experience, good or bad, pay for it.  If you want to wait and skip the collector's edition, more power to ya.  Me, I'm happy buying the games I'm excited for even months in advance.  I have YET to feel like I didn't get my money's worth AND THEN SOME on ANY game I have EVER preordered.  EVER.  $60 is dinner out for me and my bestie, and that's over in a couple hours.  Even dreadful games provide me with 40+ hours of entertainment.   And I'm supposed to believe I'm getting reamed on this deal?! 

[Jerrybnsn]

bEVEsthda wrote...

It's different. A contractor or employee could seriously hurt you, far beyond the salary you pay. The game is just a game. Money under the bridge... A deal that is ended as soon as it's made.

In a monetary perspective, doing a thorough check of a contracter or employee before hiring by calling references, matches with just taking a quick look to see if a $60 game is getting good or bad reviews.  Wait, wasn't Mass Effect 2 1/2 going for $80?

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 17 juin 2013 - 05:23 .

[KR4U55]

Everyone's mentioning SWToR. I like ToR, I'd keep on playing if I had time lately, or at least enought to justify a subsciption.

Anyways, why wouldn't I wait for reviews?