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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

So your argument is sacrifice a billion people here to let 2 billion live there. It's an interesting thesis, but that situation should always be avoided by all means neccessary. Now in the case of the Quarian/Geth war, it can be avoided without any problems what so ever.

I think they could have done a better job addressing the problem by not making it happen to begin with. The war was an act of stupidity on the Quarians that really shouldn't have happened due to the decisions and choices I made in the game. I can make peace, thankfully and preserve the diminished remains of both sides for the final fight.

That does not mean however that I'm not willing to do whatever is necessary for the war effort. 

You're making too many appeals to emotion in your arguments.

[Dextro Milk]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

But thats the whole point of the war, the quarians only care for themselves.

>Implying everyone else doesn't care for themselves either... 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

After the Geth have been dealt with, I'm sure there will be enough dead Geth for everyone.

In an ideal universe, there'd be no dead Geth or dead Quarians from the war.

If I had to choose between one or the other though, I would choose the Geth every time.

[Sir DeLoria]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
That it's rather odd to point out that someone doesn't care about the geth as if it's out of the ordinary when it's nearly a universally-held opinion in-game.

It'd be like me pointing out that Garrus isn't fond of the Blue Suns.

But thats the whole point of the war, the quarians only care for themselves.

And every other race in the galaxy doesn't?

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

So your argument is sacrifice a billion people here to let 2 billion live there.

.  yep

[themikefest]

Necanor wrote...

So your argument is sacrifice a billion people here to let 2 billion live there.

For me yes. I don't have a problem with that.

The problem with the quarians is the Admirals. They were trigger happy  to go after the geth which in turn went to the reapers. I don't agree with that. I rather die than be someone's slave. Of course they had to attack the geth during a galactic war. What a bunch of idiots.

By the time I get to the quarian/geth conflict I have enough assets for the best ending. So I usually flip a coin if I can't get peace. I kill the quarians because they will rebuild the geth and the problems will start again. It's in their nature. Now if we could kill the Admirals and put unselfish individuals on the board, I would be all for that. 

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[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I think they could have done a better job addressing the problem by not making it happen to begin with. The war was an act of stupidity on the Quarians that really shouldn't have happened due to the decisions and choices I made in the game. I can make peace, thankfully and preserve the diminished remains of both sides for the final fight.

That does not mean however that I'm not willing to do whatever is necessary for the war effort. 
You're making too many appeals to emotion in your arguments.

Tactically it was a brilliant choice, because the Quarians could drop of the civilians on Rannoch and fly their entire fleet to aid earth without endangering their race. It just didn't work because of the reaper on Rannoch, who strengthened the Geth.

Let's agree to disagree here, emotion and moral are the most important factors in human existence and social life. Why should I not appeal to emotion?

[DirtySHISN0]

Necanor wrote...

And every other race in the galaxy doesn't?

enough to set aside their thousand year differences and work together.

[Dextro Milk]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

And every other race in the galaxy doesn't?

enough to set aside their thousand year differences and work together.

And the geth and quarians are able to do the same, after Shepard helps, just like every other race... 

[Stalker]

Top nominees:
"This isn't about strategy or tactics, this is about survival!"
"We fight or we die"
"The Citadel? The fight's here."
"They form a new DNA"
"When a fire burns, is it in conflict?"
"The synthetics will always rebel against their creators"

.. yes, I really find almost all of the dialogue in the intro and ending cringe-worthy, though they are certainly not the only laughable dialogues in ME3.

[Sir DeLoria]

themikefest wrote...

For me yes. I don't have a problem with that.

The problem with the quarians is the Admirals. They were trigger happy  to go after the geth which in turn went to the reapers. I don't agree with that. I rather die than be someone's slave. Of course they had to attack the geth during a galactic war. What a bunch of idiots.

By the time I get to the quarian/geth conflict I have enough assets for the best ending. So I usually flip a coin if I can't get peace. I kill the quarians because they will rebuild the geth and the problems will start again. It's in their nature. Now if we could kill the Admirals and put unselfish individuals on the board, I would be all for that. 
.

And the humans are any different? What makes you think they'd not make their own Geth? Cerberus is the incarnation of humanity's moral flaws, they wanted to subjugate Rachni and Reapers. By your logic it would be thus safest to eradicate all of humanity, because "it's in the humans' nature". 

Modifié par Necanor, 18 juin 2013 - 08:48 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Dextro Milk wrote...
And the geth and quarians are able to do the same, after Shepard helps, just like every other race... 

We have gotten away from the original argument, but touché milky man.

[KiwiQuiche]

Stop snarling at each other about the Geth/Quarian War; there's a thread on this page to go complain on.

Oh topic- In ME1 when Shepard is talking to Liara about her species mating habits. Lol yeah, they can have kids with each other, ******.

[Dextro Milk]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...
And the geth and quarians are able to do the same, after Shepard helps, just like every other race... 

We have gotten away from the original argument, but touché milky man.

Merci beaucoup.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I think they could have done a better job addressing the problem by not making it happen to begin with. The war was an act of stupidity on the Quarians that really shouldn't have happened due to the decisions and choices I made in the game. I can make peace, thankfully and preserve the diminished remains of both sides for the final fight.

That does not mean however that I'm not willing to do whatever is necessary for the war effort. 
You're making too many appeals to emotion in your arguments.

Tactically it was a brilliant choice, because the Quarians could drop of the civilians on Rannoch and fly their entire fleet to aid earth without endangering their race. It just didn't work because of the reaper on Rannoch, who strengthened the Geth.

Let's agree to disagree here, emotion and moral are the most important factors in human existence and social life. Why should I not appeal to emotion?

It wasn't a brilliant tactical choice. Was it a better choice than maintaining the fleet in space and not losing anything while I go to Rannoch and sort things out with the Geth, taking at most a few days? Why are they wasting precious resources and lives in a fight against the Geth when the Reapers are at our doorstep? Here's a good thread where I posted for a while on the merits of why the Quarians were idiots for attacking Rannoch. 

The Quarians are showing me that they haven't learned a single bloody thing in there 300 years of exile. They haven't learned from their mistake. Some have, but they really have no ability to change anything seeing as the power is overruled by the the Quarians who want war. 

As for your opinions, there's no agreement to disagree. You're contradicting yourself by making a claim immediately after making an agreement to disagree. And you didn't back up said claim with an argument.

What you are backing that claim up with is an appeal to emotion.

argumentum ad passiones =  logical fallacy.

Your argument is based on a fallacy. It has no merit. It is irrelevent.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 18 juin 2013 - 09:00 .

[themikefest]

Necanor wrote...

themikefest wrote...

For me yes. I don't have a problem with that.

The problem with the quarians is the Admirals. They were trigger happy  to go after the geth which in turn went to the reapers. I don't agree with that. I rather die than be someone's slave. Of course they had to attack the geth during a galactic war. What a bunch of idiots.

By the time I get to the quarian/geth conflict I have enough assets for the best ending. So I usually flip a coin if I can't get peace. I kill the quarians because they will rebuild the geth and the problems will start again. It's in their nature. Now if we could kill the Admirals and put unselfish individuals on the board, I would be all for that. 
.

And the humans are any different? What makes you think they'd not make their own Geth? Cerberus is the incarnation of humanity's moral flaws, they wanted to subjugate Rachni and Reapers. By your logic it would be thus safest to eradicate all of humanity, because "it's in the humans' nature". 

What makes you believe humanity will? Listening to the Admirals talk it's almost assured they will.

As far as eradicating humanity. Not on my watch. I would sacrifice rest of the galaxy before any human is sacrificed. And if that was an option in the ending I would've taken it all the time.

Modifié par themikefest, 18 juin 2013 - 09:00 .

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective.

It is unrealistic for you to expect the quarians to wait patiently for you to go to Rannoch and possibly make peace.

[KiwiQuiche]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective.

It is unrealistic for you to expect the quarians to wait patiently for you to go to Rannoch and possibly make peace.

Still, the quarians going and starting a war while a Reaper Invasion is going down is stupid and soured a lot of peoples attitudes towards them. When I got told they went to war I was very unimpressed. So I suppose that dialogue is also eye-roll worthy. Yeah, great planning guys. <_<

[AresKeith]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective.

It is unrealistic for you to expect the quarians to wait patiently for you to go to Rannoch and possibly make peace.

Still, the quarians going and starting a war while a Reaper Invasion is going down is stupid and soured a lot of peoples attitudes towards them. When I got told they went to war I was very unimpressed. So I suppose that dialogue is also eye-roll worthy. Yeah, great planning guys. <_<

And thinking about it, putting your civilains on your homeworld, is kinda a bad idea considering the Reapers

[Steelcan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective.

It is unrealistic for you to expect the quarians to wait patiently for you to go to Rannoch and possibly make peace.

Still, the quarians going and starting a war while a Reaper Invasion is going down is stupid and soured a lot of peoples attitudes towards them. When I got told they went to war I was very unimpressed. So I suppose that dialogue is also eye-roll worthy. Yeah, great planning guys. <_<

.  True, but this was the earliest time that such a war could be succesively executed.  With Xen's new weapon the war was entirely one sided.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective.

It is unrealistic for you to expect the quarians to wait patiently for you to go to Rannoch and possibly make peace.

We've had this discussion before. 

It is not unrealistic for the Quarians to wait a few days while I go to Rannoch and sort things out. Especially when the alternative is initiating a war that will rapidly expend resources and military assets, and strain population sources as they inevitably take casualties. That's a brilliant idea.

So, wait a few days for peace, or start a war. Your call.

If I fail, which I likely won't, then they can have their little war. Because it shows me that the Geth are going to be unwilling to cooperate for the common good. In that case, there's really not much more I can do about that situation.

[Sir DeLoria]

themikefest said....
What makes you believe humanity will? Listening to the Admirals talk it's almost assured they will.

As far as eradicating humanity. Not on my watch. I would sacrifice rest of the galaxy before any human is sacrificed. And if that was an option in the ending I would've taken it all the time.

What makes you think humanity is worth anything more than any other race? They've done more harm to the galaxy and themselves than anyone else. Humanity is worth just as much as any other race.

[Steelcan]

You have met Legion and conversed with the geth consensus. The last time quarians as a whole experienced them they were slaughtering civilians and shooting down envoys.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

themikefest said....
What makes you believe humanity will? Listening to the Admirals talk it's almost assured they will.

As far as eradicating humanity. Not on my watch. I would sacrifice rest of the galaxy before any human is sacrificed. And if that was an option in the ending I would've taken it all the time.

What makes you think humanity is worth anything more than any other race? They've done more harm to the galaxy and themselves than anyone else. Humanity is worth just as much as any other race.

.  Humanity hasnt done crap to the galaxy at large.