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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

themikefest said....
What makes you believe humanity will? Listening to the Admirals talk it's almost assured they will.

As far as eradicating humanity. Not on my watch. I would sacrifice rest of the galaxy before any human is sacrificed. And if that was an option in the ending I would've taken it all the time.

What makes you think humanity is worth anything more than any other race? They've done more harm to the galaxy and themselves than anyone else. Humanity is worth just as much as any other race.

What harm have we done as humans? Cerberus? I consider them effective and brilliant. You're turning this into another appeal to emotion.

The Quarians caused the loss of an entire region of space due to their actions.

I agree with the sentiment that humans aren't inherently worth more than aliens, and I reject Mike's statement of sacrificing other aliens for humans.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

You have met Legion and conversed with the geth consensus. The last time quarians as a whole experienced them they were slaughtering civilians and shooting down envoys.

... After the Quarians tried to unjustly slaughter the Geth in the first place. 

And for the Geth to understandably believe that organic life and synthetic life are fundamentally incompatible due to the nature of organics. The Geth are willing to coexist, but believe organics aren't. They are rather paranoid of organics, which does stem from an irrational (if somewhat confirmed) fear that all organics are hostile to synthetics. Vice versa for organics.

Time for some political constructivism I say. Change attitudes and minds. For both sides.

[Sir DeLoria]

Cerberus was ok in ME2, but they did they did some bad sh*t in ME3. It it wasn't for TIM, the reapers could have been dealt with much earlier and billions wouldn't have lost their lives. Also, the alliance killed the entire Bahak system by destroying the alpha relay.

[Redbelle]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective.

It is unrealistic for you to expect the quarians to wait patiently for you to go to Rannoch and possibly make peace.

We've had this discussion before. 

It is not unrealistic for the Quarians to wait a few days while I go to Rannoch and sort things out. Especially when the alternative is initiating a war that will rapidly expend resources and military assets, and strain population sources as they inevitably take casualties. That's a brilliant idea.

So, wait a few days for peace, or start a war. Your call.

If I fail, which I likely won't, then they can have their little war. Because it shows me that the Geth are going to be unwilling to cooperate for the common good. In that case, there's really not much more I can do about that situation.

If the Admiral's want a war, then they get a war!

Besides, the Quarian fleet was trapped before Shepard got to Rannoch. Most of the missions the Quarian's were fending off attacks till they saw opportunity raise it's head to finish them off. That's when Shep must engage diplomode and hope he made all the right choices in the past.

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You have met Legion and conversed with the geth consensus. The last time quarians as a whole experienced them they were slaughtering civilians and shooting down envoys.

... After the Quarians tried to unjustly slaughter the Geth in the first place. 

And for the Geth to understandably believe that organic life and synthetic life are fundamentally incompatible due to the nature of organics. The Geth are willing to coexist, but believe organics aren't. They are rather paranoid of organics, which does stem from an irrational (if somewhat confirmed) fear that all organics are hostile to synthetics. Vice versa for organics.

Time for some political constructivism I say. Change attitudes and minds. For both sides.

.  In comploance with Council law.  if the quarians didnt the Turians would have likely intervened.  

The geth know not all organics are hostile, they should know that not even the whole admiralty board is hostile.  Oh well, better lick next time with synthetics. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

Cerberus was ok in ME2, but they did they did some bad sh*t in ME3. It it wasn't for TIM, the reapers could have been dealt with much earlier and billions wouldn't have lost their lives. Also, the alliance killed the entire Bahak system by destroying the alpha relay.

The bad **** itself doesn't bother me.

What does bother me is why the bad **** is being done. In ME3, TIM is a Reaper pawn, along with Cerberus. Whatever I thought of them once, beyond any superficial claim to the contrary, they now exist only to serve the Reapers.

I think of them like a rabid dog in ME3. Perhaps once a beloved companion, now they're a threat to everyone without being in control of themselves. How they came to be under control of the Reapers is a separate discussion.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

Cerberus was ok in ME2, but they did they did some bad sh*t in ME3. It it wasn't for TIM, the reapers could have been dealt with much earlier and billions wouldn't have lost their lives. Also, the alliance killed the entire Bahak system by destroying the alpha relay.

.  If it wasnt for TIM hundreds of thousands of colonists would have been killed to make a new Reaper.  if it wasnt for him Shepard would still be dead.  The Alliance had no choice but to destroy Bahak.  

On the whole humanity has had little impact.  they havent started massive wars, they have not exterminated other species, they have not sterilized whole races.

[Sir DeLoria]

But neither have all Quarians. Who started the war with the Geth? A few marines 300 years ago. Who attacked Rannoch? A few Admirals. See my point here?

My comment wasn't against TIM himself, but agains his actions in ME3. Jack Harper has and always will be one of my favourite ME characters(because Martin Sheen).

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You have met Legion and conversed with the geth consensus. The last time quarians as a whole experienced them they were slaughtering civilians and shooting down envoys.

... After the Quarians tried to unjustly slaughter the Geth in the first place. 

And for the Geth to understandably believe that organic life and synthetic life are fundamentally incompatible due to the nature of organics. The Geth are willing to coexist, but believe organics aren't. They are rather paranoid of organics, which does stem from an irrational (if somewhat confirmed) fear that all organics are hostile to synthetics. Vice versa for organics.

Time for some political constructivism I say. Change attitudes and minds. For both sides.

.  In comploance with Council law.  if the quarians didnt the Turians would have likely intervened.  

The geth know not all organics are hostile, they should know that not even the whole admiralty board is hostile.  Oh well, better lick next time with synthetics. 

As I said, politcal constructivism with a neoliberalism edge is what is necessary. We need to change the realist mindset about synthetics and organics.

As for the Quarian Admirals, if the Geth knew that, then they'd also know that the more realist and hardline Admirals are also the more powerful ones. Sure Koris wants peace, and maybe Tali. There's really nothing he can do about it. It's effectively a military rule, and Gerrel, Xen, and to a lesser degree, Rhan have the numbers to overturn the other two. And the Geth ought to know this if they know that there are peace advocates.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

But neither have all Quarians. Who started the war with the Geth? A few marines 300 years ago. Who attacked Rannoch? A few Admirals. See my point here?

My comment wasn't against TIM himself, but agains his actions in ME3. Jack Harper has and always will be one of my favourite ME characters(because Martin Sheen).

.  The attack on the geth was an organized response across multiple planets to quickly eradicate them.  And popular opinion in the fleet seemed to favor taking back the homeworld (ME2)

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

But neither have all Quarians. Who started the war with the Geth? A few marines 300 years ago. Who attacked Rannoch? A few Admirals. See my point here?

My comment wasn't against TIM himself, but agains his actions in ME3. Jack Harper has and always will be one of my favourite ME characters(because Martin Sheen).

.  The attack on the geth was an organized response across multiple planets to quickly eradicate them.  And popular opinion in the fleet seemed to favor taking back the homeworld (ME2)

And? The majority of humans was pro First Contact War.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

But neither have all Quarians. Who started the war with the Geth? A few marines 300 years ago. Who attacked Rannoch? A few Admirals. See my point here?

My comment wasn't against TIM himself, but agains his actions in ME3. Jack Harper has and always will be one of my favourite ME characters(because Martin Sheen).

.  The attack on the geth was an organized response across multiple planets to quickly eradicate them.  And popular opinion in the fleet seemed to favor taking back the homeworld (ME2)

And? The majority of humans was pro First Contact War.

Because humanity was attacked without warning for breaking a law they knew nothing about.  And humanity came out of the war in bettee shape.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective.

It is unrealistic for you to expect the quarians to wait patiently for you to go to Rannoch and possibly make peace.

If they need a little convincing, I can bring the Admirals aboard the Normandy and show them live feed of Pavalen, Thessia and Earth and inform them after their stupid little war, the Reapers will be knocking on their doorstep and they'll have no allies.

100 bucks says I'll get my peace talks. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective.

It is unrealistic for you to expect the quarians to wait patiently for you to go to Rannoch and possibly make peace.

If they need a little convincing, I can bring the Admirals aboard the Normandy and show them live feed of Pavalen, Thessia and Earth and inform them after their stupid little war, the Reapers will be knocking on their doorstep and they'll have no allies.

100 bucks says I'll get my peace talks. 

I'll see your threat of future extinction, and raise you a "If we don't get our homeland, it won't matter if the reapers succeed or not."

[Ar7emis]

"Cerberus thanks you for all your hard work..."

This line was just... AWFUL. I can't even... Why?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

PMC65 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

"I fight for freedom, mine and everyone's. And if I die, I'll die knowing I did everything I could to stop you... and I'll die free."

Oh, God. Help. Anyone Shepard saying this simply does not get it. This is not about your political values, this is about life and death. 'Did everything you could? YOU DIDN'T DO ISH MOTHER----ER! You abandoned the Crucible at the 11th hour because you didn't like the flavors. Your feels mattered more to you than everyone else's life. And no, you idiot, you don't die free. Unless you die in a horrifically irrecoverable manner (like throwing yourself into an incinerator or a vat of acid) you're going to be taken, dead or alive, you're becoming a minion to the very thing you detested. Criminy.

That line was said by the biggest self-centered Shepard ever! Watched that on youtube and I think I suffered an aneurysm as I yelled at the screen, "Everything? You walked! Instead of making a choice after all the blood, sweat and tears that got your sorry butt there ... you walked! You walked over the bodies that will now die in vain because they trusted the wrong person. You self-centered, morally masturb... , piece of crap!"

Cut to Liara saying how the Catalyst failed and I screamed again, "Not the Catalyst! Shepard! Stupid, mother$%^%^& boots-are-made-for-walking Shepard! Miss Death is Prefereable Shepard!"

*counts slowly to ten* okay, I'm better now.  

You were yelling?? I was laughing. Audibly.

I couldn't believe they really put that option in there.

It would be like giving the player the option to call off the turian-krogan deal at the Shroud tower, because the player does not want to empower the krogan's dictatorial leadership or sabotage the cure. Or walking away at Rannoch after taking down the Reaper destroyer. I mean, more player choice is always great, but you almost never see them give you the choice to let yourself fail. Only thing more incredible is the fact that people even take it at all seriously. xD

[KaiserShep]

I groaned when I watched that clip. I wanted the catalyst to stop him mid-sentence in Harbinger voice going "Dude, just stop. I'm out."

[Urdnot Amenark]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

David7204 wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

Mordin spamming "Had to be me" It was awesome the first time and the last, every other time just killed the emotion of the phrase.

Mordin says that line literally exactly three times.

Once on Sur'kesh, once in the med bay, and once in the Shroud.

That is it.

OniTYME wrote...

"Thanix missiles"

I find it rather irritating that I've seen dozens of posters proclaming Thanix cannons as the miracle solution to kill all the Reapers (and the mass production of Thanix cannons as a brilliantly simple and insightful strategy instead of a groan inducing blunder a toddler could come up with) , but yet most members of the BSN react to the Thanix missiles like this.

4 times:ph34r:

Thanix cannon is essentially the collector ship beam/reaper beam, so it does do a ****ton of damage, but the missiles part was way outta the blue. Plus given the mission, it felt like a complete ass pull that ignored what we knew of thanix tech up until then.

Also, I forgot all about Jacob. GOD they made him even worse. Every scene of dialogue with him outside of Citadel and the conversation in the med bay felt awkward as ****. I wish he had more... blackness in him? At least make him a brutha that can add some flavor into MEU. I guess that was put aside because people would patronize blacks and claim its offensive to us to have a black man be like an average young African American (read: NOT a hoodlum). I rather liked him in ME2, just wish he had some edge... even Kaidan flips **** after Sanctuary.

Thanix cannons are never stated for safe use within a planets surface and without mass effect fields to lesson the kinetic blowback and most of the components of a ships weapon systems you'd need to operate such a weapon, let alone power it to accelerate the glob of molten metals to a sufficient degree that it would act like a soild object upon launch and impact.

What?
Exactly same amount of energy, that needed to accelerate slug of the same mass(which is also altered by ME field).

But aren't you forgetting the composition of the ballistic material? Your not just shooting a simple solid piece of metal at a target with a thanix weapon,you are basically firing a large glob of molten hot metal that rips into a ship and than causes massive residual damage with the sheer heat of the material making contact with the ships surface. In order to have the liquid state projectile mantain a similar behavior as a solid material, it would require more energy to fire. Not to mention needing to stabilize the trajectory to ensure that there are no changes in the projectiles course due to the displacement of mass such a substance would have when travelling at such speeds. The main thing that makes a thanix weapon so powerful is the material and it's state, how it is a molten hot material that manages to both melt and damage the enemy vessels hull and severely and continuously damage the shields. You just need to get the material onto the target with sufficient speed to damage the shields and get the molten material onto the ship or into vital points of the enemy ship for the most damage. A missle would be able to accomplish this, and have the added bonus of having an adjustible trajectory to avoid being shot down by the enemy target or easily evaded.

Load of nonsense.
1. Due to acceleration method(electromagnetic attraction and repulsemen), it is completely no difference for a projectile.
2. It will not act the same on impact, as a solid projectile.
3. Even solid slugs in ME have different structure. Read the codex. Well, actually it is more related to handguns, but still...
4. You have no idea how kinetic weapons works. On impact, projectile's kinetic energy, partially transfers to a heat(fluctuations of atoms).
Conservation_of_momentum
Inelastic_collision
Given the speed of the kinetic projectiles in MEU, heat part is insignificant, it only changes impact effect.
5. Given that you have no idea about inelastic collision and kinetic->heat transfer, other part of your post, about thanix missiles - is utter nonsense.

Do you intend to provide proof, or are you just going to use single sentence dismissals and petty insults to prove your point for you?

The original Normandy without the upgrades of the SR 2 one-shotted Sovereign after the Reaper lost his shields, WITHOUT the benefit of a thanix cannon. That is all.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Uh, did this get off-topic?

[Sir DeLoria]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Uh, did this get off-topic?

Obviously not.

[KaiserShep]

Urdnot Amenark wrote...
The original Normandy without the upgrades of the SR 2 one-shotted Sovereign after the Reaper lost his shields, WITHOUT the benefit of a thanix cannon. That is all.

Eh, the Alliance softened it up for her.

[MyChemicalBromance]

"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken."

Modifié par MyChemicalBromance, 19 juin 2013 - 08:59 .

[Vinchisters]

'"The endings suck, f**k EAware, I'm never buying their games again!"

[ruggly]

"Essence of who and what you are"

What now?