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[billy the squid]

 Well, well, well... I told you so. Mages are good you said, mages are misunderstood you said, you're being bigoted you told me. Guess who was right all along. The Templar cause has been vindicated, I call upon all my brothers and sisters in a holy crusade to wipe away the mage threat once and for all. 

It's nice to see that Bioware seems to have allowed an open ended game which may allow the Inquisition to rise to it's true form again, before it was part of the Chantry.






Edit:
We also provide T-Shirts for new recruits as we're not all dour religious zealots, despite what our detractors say.

Modifié par billy the squid, 15 juin 2013 - 09:48 .

[LobselVith8]

We don't have all the facts right now. However, the actions of some mages shouldn't vilify them all. Isn't that the same as condemning all the mages in Kirkwall for the actions of one man?

Oh wait...

[KainD]

Implying that opening the veil is bad..

[garrusfan1]

uh we don't even know what happens or what causes it. also when a lot of death happens in one place it rips the veil no mages needed. also the whole point of the anti mage and pro mage argument is whether they should all be punished for the few that turn bad. like should the circle in kirkwall be slaughtered because of anders who wasen't even part of the circle destroying the chantry. basically should a few bad people make the rest be prisoners

[The Elder King]

KainD wrote...

Implying that opening the veil is bad..

Considering that the main plot is to stop and solve the Fade breaching problem, I doubt that you'll have the option to say that the opening of the Veil is good.
Sure, in the trailer Morrigan implied that you can decide to end the world. Regardless if we seriously have this option, why would you think that the end the world is good?

[billy the squid]

Well clearly the Mages can't be trusted by themselves as the result is the above, and one that imperils every state in Theadas, the incoming demonic invasion is clearly a bad thing. This is beyond the actions of a few, it's the creation of a system where there is no oversight of the Templars, where all mages supported the rebellion.

[Who is that Masked Man]

I still say the Templars tore the veil. After DA2, they were in possession of Meredith's red-lyrium corpse, after all.

Just in case I'm correct, I propose we kill all templars immediately.

Besides, unlike the mages, it's not like the templars would be of any use in closing that giant tear in the veil.

[The dead fish]

garrusfan1 wrote...

uh we don't even know what happens or what causes it. also when a lot of death happens in one place it rips the veil no mages needed.

True. No mages needed for that. The world is at war. This statement about mages and the veil doesn't hold a lot of water from what we know so far with the trailer.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 15 juin 2013 - 10:08 .

[garrusfan1]

billy the squid wrote...

Well clearly the Mages can't be trusted by themselves as the result is the above, and one that imperils every state in Theadas, the incoming demonic invasion is clearly a bad thing. This is beyond the actions of a few, it's the creation of a system where there is no oversight of the Templars, where all mages supported the rebellion.

uh so supporting a rebellion for freedom and summoning demons and such are the same? and once again we have no clue what caused it so you are basically doing a witch hunt when you have no proof as to what caused it. if there were no mages demons could still come through the veil. and why should people be punished for being born if someone is born with a mental disease that has 1 in 100 chance of having them kill someone should you throw them all in jail. why am I having an argument with you it is pointless

[Qyla]

Great idea! Kill all the mages, problem solved...oh wait. New mages will born after that D:

[dekkerd]

garrusfan1 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Well clearly the Mages can't be trusted by themselves as the result is the above, and one that imperils every state in Theadas, the incoming demonic invasion is clearly a bad thing. This is beyond the actions of a few, it's the creation of a system where there is no oversight of the Templars, where all mages supported the rebellion.

uh so supporting a rebellion for freedom and summoning demons and such are the same? and once again we have no clue what caused it so you are basically doing a witch hunt when you have no proof as to what caused it. if there were no mages demons could still come through the veil. and why should people be punished for being born if someone is born with a mental disease that has 1 in 100 chance of having them kill someone should you throw them all in jail. why am I having an argument with you it is pointless

especially considering this is an oblivious troll thread.  

[billy the squid]

garrusfan1 wrote...

uh we don't even know what happens or what causes it. also when a lot of death happens in one place it rips the veil no mages needed. also the whole point of the anti mage and pro mage argument is whether they should all be punished for the few that turn bad. like should the circle in kirkwall be slaughtered because of anders who wasen't even part of the circle destroying the chantry. basically should a few bad people make the rest be prisoners

Let's dispense with the Kirkwall characters, because that was bad writing, even if it portrayed Mages as insane. DA2 made me want to hammer my head into the desk.

As to the Circle point. The Circle remains a comfortable life, away from the trials of the world. Or are Mages also being given the freedom to starve, like any normal pesant?

2 points are pertinent. Poor oversight, with Meredith having a clear vendetta, but also Orsino allowing a proliferation of Maleficar within the Circle itself. For all Ander's involvement he was a catalyst in a situation which illuminated the excesses and the secretive nature of the Mages, and the issue of having a Kinght Commander in a position where her passed history calls her objectiveity into question. 

From, that the Circle is not an issue, nor is the Templar's function. Unless you wish to start barring mges from aspects of society, and the simple practical impossibility of policing Mages roaming freely round Thedas with all the inherrent threats both magical and mundane (being used as a living weapon)

Veil tears are opened by A) Magic and lots of bloodshed. I think it's safe to say Mages will be involved in both these scenarios.

[garrusfan1]

Sylvianus wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

uh we don't even know what happens or what causes it. also when a lot of death happens in one place it rips the veil no mages needed.

True. No mages needed for that. The world is at war. This statement about mages and the veil doesn't hold a lot of water from what we know so far with the trailer.

I really didn't mean that the veil is torn because of death in this case but it is possible. my point was that even without mages the veil can be torn but you are right that can be what caused it

[billy the squid]

dekkerd wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Well clearly the Mages can't be trusted by themselves as the result is the above, and one that imperils every state in Theadas, the incoming demonic invasion is clearly a bad thing. This is beyond the actions of a few, it's the creation of a system where there is no oversight of the Templars, where all mages supported the rebellion.

uh so supporting a rebellion for freedom and summoning demons and such are the same? and once again we have no clue what caused it so you are basically doing a witch hunt when you have no proof as to what caused it. if there were no mages demons could still come through the veil. and why should people be punished for being born if someone is born with a mental disease that has 1 in 100 chance of having them kill someone should you throw them all in jail. why am I having an argument with you it is pointless

especially considering this is an oblivious troll thread.  

Reported.

[billy the squid]

Qyla wrote...

Great idea! Kill all the mages, problem solved...oh wait. New mages will born after that D:

Didn't stop the Inquisition before they signed the Nevarran accords with the Chantry. They had the mages on the run centuries before then.

[IanPolaris]

You don't have to be a mage to tear open the veil (and indeed in that scene you posted, I saw no mages doing so). You just have to be willing to slaughter enough people (like the Templars did in Northern Rivvain).

-Polaris

[garrusfan1]

billy the squid wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

uh we don't even know what happens or what causes it. also when a lot of death happens in one place it rips the veil no mages needed. also the whole point of the anti mage and pro mage argument is whether they should all be punished for the few that turn bad. like should the circle in kirkwall be slaughtered because of anders who wasen't even part of the circle destroying the chantry. basically should a few bad people make the rest be prisoners

Let's dispense with the Kirkwall characters, because that was bad writing, even if it portrayed Mages as insane. DA2 made me want to hammer my head into the desk.

As to the Circle point. The Circle remains a comfortable life, away from the trials of the world. Or are Mages also being given the freedom to starve, like any normal pesant?

2 points are pertinent. Poor oversight, with Meredith having a clear vendetta, but also Orsino allowing a proliferation of Maleficar within the Circle itself. For all Ander's involvement he was a catalyst in a situation which illuminated the excesses and the secretive nature of the Mages, and the issue of having a Kinght Commander in a position where her passed history calls her objectiveity into question. 

From, that the Circle is not an issue, nor is the Templar's function. Unless you wish to start barring mges from aspects of society, and the simple practical impossibility of policing Mages roaming freely round Thedas with all the inherrent threats both magical and mundane (being used as a living weapon)

Veil tears are opened by A) Magic and lots of bloodshed. I think it's safe to say Mages will be involved in both these scenarios.

how are they in a lot of bloodshed. they can be part of it but when a lot of people die on a battlefield with or without magic the veil can be torn but mages are involved without a doubt in that apparently. also I would rather have the option to maybe have a chance to succed or be able to live without having people watching me and be ready to kill me at any time. I think they should have mandatory training by a tutor or something so they know to be careful of demons and what to watch for but they should not be kept in a building for there life. I think everyone should be free unless that person does something to be thrown in jail and then only the people who commited a crime should be not an entire people when only a few did something

[garrusfan1]

billy the squid wrote...

Qyla wrote...

Great idea! Kill all the mages, problem solved...oh wait. New mages will born after that D:

Didn't stop the Inquisition before they signed the Nevarran accords with the Chantry. They had the mages on the run centuries before then.

so genocide you support genocide wow you are sick

[IanPolaris]

garrusfan1 wrote...

how are they in a lot of bloodshed. they can be part of it but when a lot of people die on a battlefield with or without magic the veil can be torn but mages are involved without a doubt in that apparently. also I would rather have the option to maybe have a chance to succed or be able to live without having people watching me and be ready to kill me at any time. I think they should have mandatory training by a tutor or something so they know to be careful of demons and what to watch for but they should not be kept in a building for there life. I think everyone should be free unless that person does something to be thrown in jail and then only the people who commited a crime should be not an entire people when only a few did something

Exactly so, punish people for what they DO rather than what they ARE.  I have no qualms about making magical crimes more serious (just as IRL any crime done using a firearm is more serious), but collective punishment is simply barbaric and that's all there is too it.

Of course there are some here that apparently believe in, "Kill them all, the Maker will know his own".

-Polaris

[Qyla]

billy the squid wrote...

The Circle remains a comfortable life, away from the trials of the world. Or are Mages also being given the freedom to starve, like any normal pesant?

Maybe you wanted to write "The Circle remains a comfortable prison, away from the joy and pain of the world. "

[Vit246]

There is no context to that picture, but I'll play along.

There was a time before the Chantry and Templar oversight for thousands of years. Did mages destroy the world back then? Have you considered that maybe all of this is a reaction towards the hated Chantry Templar oversight? Because of such oversight? All of the misunderstandings and bigotries and mages have finally had enough?

Good luck trying to wipe out mages. Because they will continue to be born over and over and over. In fact you will cause so much bloodshed and death you'll probably tear the Veil over and over and over. Perhaps it is Templars who tear the veil? Nice job breaking it hero.

Modifié par Vit246, 15 juin 2013 - 10:28 .

[billy the squid]

garrusfan1 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

uh we don't even know what happens or what causes it. also when a lot of death happens in one place it rips the veil no mages needed. also the whole point of the anti mage and pro mage argument is whether they should all be punished for the few that turn bad. like should the circle in kirkwall be slaughtered because of anders who wasen't even part of the circle destroying the chantry. basically should a few bad people make the rest be prisoners

Let's dispense with the Kirkwall characters, because that was bad writing, even if it portrayed Mages as insane. DA2 made me want to hammer my head into the desk.

As to the Circle point. The Circle remains a comfortable life, away from the trials of the world. Or are Mages also being given the freedom to starve, like any normal pesant?

2 points are pertinent. Poor oversight, with Meredith having a clear vendetta, but also Orsino allowing a proliferation of Maleficar within the Circle itself. For all Ander's involvement he was a catalyst in a situation which illuminated the excesses and the secretive nature of the Mages, and the issue of having a Kinght Commander in a position where her passed history calls her objectiveity into question. 

From, that the Circle is not an issue, nor is the Templar's function. Unless you wish to start barring mges from aspects of society, and the simple practical impossibility of policing Mages roaming freely round Thedas with all the inherrent threats both magical and mundane (being used as a living weapon)

Veil tears are opened by A) Magic and lots of bloodshed. I think it's safe to say Mages will be involved in both these scenarios.

how are they in a lot of bloodshed. they can be part of it but when a lot of people die on a battlefield with or without magic the veil can be torn but mages are involved without a doubt in that apparently. also I would rather have the option to maybe have a chance to succed or be able to live without having people watching me and be ready to kill me at any time. I think they should have mandatory training by a tutor or something so they know to be careful of demons and what to watch for but they should not be kept in a building for there life. I think everyone should be free unless that person does something to be thrown in jail and then only the people who commited a crime should be not an entire people when only a few did something

Well considering the main conflict is between the Templars and their supporters and Mages. It's not that odd to have mages involved in battles. They violently rebelled, so it's safe to say they're not going to be resisting peacefully.

I already know, that the game is supposed to be more open ended. What the details of the various outcomes are, are unknown. Same with the Origins. Which seem to be Circle (defunct?) Mage, Templar/ Inquisition, Seeker (Chantry affiliated?) Tevinter?

Freedom is an illusion, mundanes are not free. They have freedom to starve, but that's no freedom. Especially considering 90% of the population are the pesant masses.

[garrusfan1]

Vit246 wrote...

There is no context to that picture, but I'll play along.

There was a time before the Chantry and Templar oversight for thousands of years. Did mages destroy the world back then? Have you considered that maybe all of this is a reaction towards the hated Chantry Templar oversight? Because of such oversight? All of the misunderstandings and bigotries and mages have finally had enough?

Good luck trying to wipe out mages. Because they will continue to be born over and over and over. In fact you will cause so much bloodshed and death you'll probably tear the Veil over and over and over. Perhaps it is Templars who tear the veil? Nice job breaking it hero.

well put