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[Vit246]

Morocco Mole wrote...

And for all the bad stuff about Tevinter, did they destroy the world? No.

Came pretty close

There is no hard evidence that the darkspawn came directly because of Tevinter. The Dwarves don't believe that.

[Vit246]

billy the squid wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

There is no context to that picture, but I'll play along.

There was a time before the Chantry and Templar oversight for thousands of years. Did mages destroy the world back then? Have you considered that maybe all of this is a reaction towards the hated Chantry Templar oversight? Because of such oversight? All of the misunderstandings and bigotries and mages have finally had enough?

Good luck trying to wipe out mages. Because they will continue to be born over and over and over. In fact you will cause so much bloodshed and death you'll probably tear the Veil over and over and over. Perhaps it is Templars who tear the veil? Nice job breaking it hero.

Before the Chantry there was the Inquisition. And they hunted and exterminated mages throughout Thedas. Before them Was the Tevinter Imperium.

So there goes that theory, especially when you have order of magically resistant soldiers hunting your kind wherever they are, people tend to keep their head down or lose it.

Before the Inquisition and before the Tevinter. 

And for all the bad stuff about Tevinter, did they destroy the world? No. 

Whoa hahahaaha. Okay. Cool. So the Templars can do anything, and as long as it doesn't create a horde of creatures which blight the land and cause death and destruction on a continental scale for thousands of years we're okay. Got ya.

There is no proof that Tevinter is directly responsible for the darkspawn.

[The Hierophant]

Corypheus?

[billy the squid]

Vit246 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

There is no context to that picture, but I'll play along.

There was a time before the Chantry and Templar oversight for thousands of years. Did mages destroy the world back then? Have you considered that maybe all of this is a reaction towards the hated Chantry Templar oversight? Because of such oversight? All of the misunderstandings and bigotries and mages have finally had enough?

Good luck trying to wipe out mages. Because they will continue to be born over and over and over. In fact you will cause so much bloodshed and death you'll probably tear the Veil over and over and over. Perhaps it is Templars who tear the veil? Nice job breaking it hero.

Before the Chantry there was the Inquisition. And they hunted and exterminated mages throughout Thedas. Before them Was the Tevinter Imperium.

So there goes that theory, especially when you have order of magically resistant soldiers hunting your kind wherever they are, people tend to keep their head down or lose it.

Before the Inquisition and before the Tevinter. 

And for all the bad stuff about Tevinter, did they destroy the world? No. 

Whoa hahahaaha. Okay. Cool. So the Templars can do anything, and as long as it doesn't create a horde of creatures which blight the land and cause death and destruction on a continental scale for thousands of years we're okay. Got ya.

There is no proof that Tevinter is directly responsible for the darkspawn.

Corypheous

[Vit246]

Corypheus is from a frakking optional DLC of a game where the developers admitted their bias against mages and went out of their way to poorly represent them. I reject DLC.

Modifié par Vit246, 15 juin 2013 - 10:57 .

[billy the squid]

Vit246 wrote...

Corypheus is from a frakking optional DLC of a game where the developers admitted their bias against mages and went out of their way to poorly represent them.

Cool, let's just disregard anything that we don't like!

[The Hierophant]

Vit246 wrote...

Corypheus is from a frakking optional DLC of a game where the developers admitted their bias against mages and went out of their way to poorly represent them.

There's no mention from any of the devs that the statment extended  to the DLC Legacy. 

[Vit246]

The problem with Tevinter is not necessarily because of mages, but because of their culture, morals and ethics. The Elven mages long before never had them.

[garrusfan1]

Vit246 wrote...

Corypheus is from a frakking optional DLC of a game where the developers admitted their bias against mages and went out of their way to poorly represent them. I reject DLC.

to be fair they said they brought extremes from both sides and overdid it

[Qyla]

We know about Dalish, they deal with their mage in a really simple way: give them a proper education about what they are, kill them if they go bad.

[Vit246]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

Corypheus is from a frakking optional DLC of a game where the developers admitted their bias against mages and went out of their way to poorly represent them. I reject DLC.

to be fair they said they brought extremes from both sides and overdid it

Yes they overdid both sides which is why I hate DA2. That game was just poorly made for all.

[garrusfan1]

Qyla wrote...

@GrassuFan1 don't worry

Example of good mage... (culture? raising?): Dalish's Keepers and people with magic abilities are haunted IF and WHEN they give in to demons.

If children with magic abilities would be properly educated in their city/village we won't have such a mess to deal with right now.

exactly it is like when people say all pitbulls are mean and in reality they are usually only mean if they aren't trained right. sure there are exceptions to the rule but in the majority if a mage was trained to use magic and be mindful of what to watch out for in the fade they would likely be fine for the vast majority. I bet most would even say they wouldn't be in government if it meant they could be free but they would need someone to support their rights. and the reason I say they wouldn't be in government is because there would be such an uproar over the magic exists to serve man and never to rule over him thing (even though it is argued about what it means)

[garrusfan1]

Vit246 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

Corypheus is from a frakking optional DLC of a game where the developers admitted their bias against mages and went out of their way to poorly represent them. I reject DLC.

to be fair they said they brought extremes from both sides and overdid it

Yes they overdid both sides which is why I hate DA2. That game was just poorly made for all.

I liked it but it had problems. for example I can't stand Cullen until the end when he is questioning whether the right of unulement is actually neccesary

[Qyla]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Qyla wrote...

@GrassuFan1 don't worry

Example of good mage... (culture? raising?): Dalish's Keepers and people with magic abilities are haunted IF and WHEN they give in to demons.

If children with magic abilities would be properly educated in their city/village we won't have such a mess to deal with right now.

exactly it is like when people say all pitbulls are mean and in reality they are usually only mean if they aren't trained right. sure there are exceptions to the rule but in the majority if a mage was trained to use magic and be mindful of what to watch out for in the fade they would likely be fine for the vast majority. I bet most would even say they wouldn't be in government if it meant they could be free but they would need someone to support their rights. and the reason I say they wouldn't be in government is because there would be such an uproar over the magic exists to serve man and never to rule over him thing (even though it is argued about what it means)

Glad that someone shares my ideas ^-^.
And please pro templars don't bring up Connor, I won't trust Jowan to teach how to peel a potato, let alone magic to a little kid with a sick dad.

[dragonflight288]

There's nothing in the trailer that suggests it was the mages who opened the veil. And to support that possibility that it wasn't mages, I can point out in-game precedents of the veil being sundered without mages.

It's established in the game that excessive violence naturally weakens the veil, and the Brecilian Forest itself is the precedent, having been the site of many battles and the violence sundered the veil, allowing demons to come through. These demons possessed the trees themselves and became Sylvans.

[billy the squid]

Qyla wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Qyla wrote...

@GrassuFan1 don't worry

Example of good mage... (culture? raising?): Dalish's Keepers and people with magic abilities are haunted IF and WHEN they give in to demons.

If children with magic abilities would be properly educated in their city/village we won't have such a mess to deal with right now.

exactly it is like when people say all pitbulls are mean and in reality they are usually only mean if they aren't trained right. sure there are exceptions to the rule but in the majority if a mage was trained to use magic and be mindful of what to watch out for in the fade they would likely be fine for the vast majority. I bet most would even say they wouldn't be in government if it meant they could be free but they would need someone to support their rights. and the reason I say they wouldn't be in government is because there would be such an uproar over the magic exists to serve man and never to rule over him thing (even though it is argued about what it means)

Glad that someone shares my ideas ^-^.
And please pro templars don't bring up Connor, I won't trust Jowan to teach how to peel a potato, let alone magic to a little kid with a sick dad.

And you trust the back stabbing nobility not to use mages as weapons in their petty squabbles. The Templars deliberately try to keep mages out of the political sphere because they are potential dangerous weapons to be abused by the nobility. That doesn't even account for mages forcibly entering the political sphere and manipulating things via blood magic, hiding in plain sight. Connor's situation has nothing to do with Jowan, it's a perfect example where a young mage loses control, the colateral damage is huge. Hence the circles are used to safeguard mundane people from mages, and mages from people, or do witch trials have to be a common occurence in Thedas?

Modifié par billy the squid, 15 juin 2013 - 11:29 .

[garrusfan1]

Qyla wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Qyla wrote...

@GrassuFan1 don't worry

Example of good mage... (culture? raising?): Dalish's Keepers and people with magic abilities are haunted IF and WHEN they give in to demons.

If children with magic abilities would be properly educated in their city/village we won't have such a mess to deal with right now.

exactly it is like when people say all pitbulls are mean and in reality they are usually only mean if they aren't trained right. sure there are exceptions to the rule but in the majority if a mage was trained to use magic and be mindful of what to watch out for in the fade they would likely be fine for the vast majority. I bet most would even say they wouldn't be in government if it meant they could be free but they would need someone to support their rights. and the reason I say they wouldn't be in government is because there would be such an uproar over the magic exists to serve man and never to rule over him thing (even though it is argued about what it means)

Glad that someone shares my ideas ^-^.
And please pro templars don't bring up Connor, I won't trust Jowan to teach how to peel a potato, let alone magic to a little kid with a sick dad.

my idea of who will tutor the young mages would be someone who goes through training in teaching and gets a certification to do it and to get a tutor you would have to go to an agency that would appoint one of these people to teach them. Jowan was an apostate who was hired to kill Connors dad and was a blood mage he wouldn't exactly be a tutor I was talking about. and this agency would need to be approved by an agency that watches the agency that appoints tutors to teach mages and make sure they are good and are not cutting corners and don't hire random people without checking everything.

[Qyla]

And anyway we have a dragon in the end, a dragon that reminds me of Flemeth's dragon form. Just saying u.u

[billy the squid]

dragonflight288 wrote...

There's nothing in the trailer that suggests it was the mages who opened the veil. And to support that possibility that it wasn't mages, I can point out in-game precedents of the veil being sundered without mages.

It's established in the game that excessive violence naturally weakens the veil, and the Brecilian Forest itself is the precedent, having been the site of many battles and the violence sundered the veil, allowing demons to come through. These demons possessed the trees themselves and became Sylvans.

Weakened not sundered. You don't have a gaping hole in the sky, the weakend veils allows demons to possess and be summoned easier. It doesn't let them just walk through, which we see in this.

Well unless it has to be spelled out for people, the writing is on the wall. Which faction is able to open a tear in the veil?

[garrusfan1]

billy the squid wrote...

Qyla wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Qyla wrote...

@GrassuFan1 don't worry

Example of good mage... (culture? raising?): Dalish's Keepers and people with magic abilities are haunted IF and WHEN they give in to demons.

If children with magic abilities would be properly educated in their city/village we won't have such a mess to deal with right now.

exactly it is like when people say all pitbulls are mean and in reality they are usually only mean if they aren't trained right. sure there are exceptions to the rule but in the majority if a mage was trained to use magic and be mindful of what to watch out for in the fade they would likely be fine for the vast majority. I bet most would even say they wouldn't be in government if it meant they could be free but they would need someone to support their rights. and the reason I say they wouldn't be in government is because there would be such an uproar over the magic exists to serve man and never to rule over him thing (even though it is argued about what it means)

Glad that someone shares my ideas ^-^.
And please pro templars don't bring up Connor, I won't trust Jowan to teach how to peel a potato, let alone magic to a little kid with a sick dad.

And you trust the back stabbing nobility not to use mages as weapons in their petty squabbles. The Templars deliberately try to keep mages out of the political sphere because they are potential dangerous weapons to be abused by the nobility. That doesn't even account for mages forcibly entering the political sphere and manipulating things via blood magic, hiding in plain sight. Connor's situation has nothing to do with Jowan, it's a perfect example where a young mage loses control, the colateral damage is huge. Hence the circles are used to safeguard mundanes people from mages, and mages from people, or do which trials have to be a common occurence in Thedas?

so a mage would be used as a weapon like a sword. GASP you mean that someone would use a mage as a soldier your right cause they have no one else trained to kill people right. those pointy  sharp metal things are for shaving giants and chopping down trees not war. and connor wasn't trained well or he likely wouldn't have done that