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[Qyla]

Yea, I felt sick just listening to them. If Duncan didn't step in our warden would be killed for sure.

[SgtElias]

I don't think we know enough about Tevinter to definitively decide. If in some weird alternate universe Tevinter didn't have slaves, and never had, it'd certainly go a long way to making me like them more (as the player). But there are plenty of other countries and cultures in Thedas that are pretty messed up without slavery, so it's hard to say.

Modifié par SgtElias, 15 juin 2013 - 11:21 .

[Senya]

I would see Tevinter as having it infinitely harder for Tevinter to change rather than Orlais if only because the Magisters have a longer tradition of individual supremacy and the Qunari hammering at them to hinder them from abolishing slavery and human sacrifice.

The chevaliers would have a harder time justifying their privilege as it does not grant them the power Blood Magic does and the chaos in Inquisition is enough for the system protecting them from retribution to be broken.

I also get the feeling that if either Celene or Gaspard bans chevalier brutality, they're going to get the throne thanks to using that proclamation and their personal Bard network to spread that as propaganda.

I do not see anyone in Tevinter objecting to slavery in large enough numbers to make ending slavery desirable for the ruling Magisters, however. Except for the slaves, of course. But the Senate always bands together to put slave revolts down.

[garrusfan1]

FaWa wrote...

The Elven Alienages in Ferelden
The Casteless Dwarves in Orzammar
The Slaves in Tevinter
The trainwreck that is Antiva

Also lets remember the Templars have no problem imprisoning the mages in non-Tevinter places.

well to be fair people seem to be happy in antiva from what we hear (I only played the games not read the books). and the alienages are bad everywhere and according to the lady who told us about the chevaliers so called privelages she  tells the warden (if he is a city elf origin warden) that elves are treated even worse in orlais

[Qyla]

Writer's interpretation of actual countries is impressive. I sadly say that Antiva reminds me of Italy (way too much) ç_ç

[garrusfan1]

Qyla wrote...

Yea, I felt sick just listening to them. If Duncan didn't step in our warden would be killed for sure.

if your talking about how the guards were involved it was not just that but that a crap load of them marched into the alienage and grabbed the women in front of a priest. it wasn't just a few guards cause there is always guards that are corrupt or sick but the  amount that walked in there and just grabbed the women and dragged them through the streets to the palace and I imagine at least a few were screaming and begging them to let them go and they didn't let them go

[Kalas Magnus]

I don't consider them evil now.

Everyone has those who abuse their power.

[Qyla]

I wonder what the priest did after the kidnapping. I didn't see any templar punishing the evil

[Qyla]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Qyla wrote...

Yea, I felt sick just listening to them. If Duncan didn't step in our warden would be killed for sure.

if your talking about how the guards were involved it was not just that but that a crap load of them marched into the alienage and grabbed the women in front of a priest. it wasn't just a few guards cause there is always guards that are corrupt or sick but the  amount that walked in there and just grabbed the women and dragged them through the streets to the palace and I imagine at least a few were screaming and begging them to let them go and they didn't let them go

I wonder what the priest did after the kidnapping. I didn't see any templar ready to punish the evil.

[The Hierophant]

Qyla wrote...

I wonder what the priest did after the kidnapping. I didn't see any templar ready to punish the evil.

Outside of Kirkwall i doubt the Templars have the legal authority to arrest a mundane in non mage related crimes. Considering that Vaughn is nobility i wouldn't be surprised if his father bribed Denerim's guardsmen.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 15 juin 2013 - 11:55 .

[Qyla]

The Hierophant wrote...

Qyla wrote...

I wonder what the priest did after the kidnapping. I didn't see any templar ready to punish the evil.

Outside of Kirkwall i doubt the Templars have the legal authority to arrest a mundane in non mage related crimes. Considering that Vaughn is nobility i wouldn't be surprised if his father bribed Denerim's guardsmen.

Save poor women would have been enaugh for me. If a templar was involved I doubt guardsmen would be that easy to bribe

[garrusfan1]

The Hierophant wrote...

Qyla wrote...

I wonder what the priest did after the kidnapping. I didn't see any templar ready to punish the evil.

Outside of Kirkwall i doubt the Templars have the legal authority to arrest a mundane in non mage related crimes. Considering that Vaughn is nobility i wouldn't be surprised if his father bribed Denerim's guardsmen.

yeah the Templars are not allowed to do anything to nobles unless it involves magic kirkwall is the exception

[The Hierophant]

True Meredith was even courteous to Gascard DuPuis.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 16 juin 2013 - 12:00 .

[Qyla]

The Hierophant wrote...

True Meredith was even courteous to Gascard DuPuis.

I can't picture in my mind Meredith being courteous XD

[WillPF363]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Then it wouldn't be Tevinter without blood magic and slavery now would it?

Edit: And since you don't need human sacrifice to do a lot of blood magic (like violating someone's mind) anyway I would still consider it a terrible country.

Right now it's almost as terrible as the Qunari lands.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Eh, not many places in Thedas would be considered not evil then. The Casteless, the general treatment of the Elves, the authoritarive Qun, the Chevaliers who are above the law, the Templars who have full power over their charges, this setting has a lot of people being treated like dirt. I do think the Magisters take it a step above in terms of villainy; at least nobody else practices institutional slavery, blood magic and mass sacrifices.

It also wouldn't be the Imperium anymore without the blood magic and slavery.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

All the places in Thedas are pretty bad. Tevinter is the worst. Or at least the place which seems to have the least amount of redeeming qualities.

[KainD]

Thedas follows the way of nature - the strongest survives. Nothing evil about that.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

If they didn't have slaves, they'd have to take the power for their blood magic out of themselves or volunteers. Were they limited to such, I think they'd be no better or worse than the other countries of Thedas. Except the Qunari. They'd be better than the Qunari.

Edit: And Ferelden. Ferelden works at being a pillar of morality, which puts them that far ahead in that direction. So Tevinter is slightly worse even if they don't draw blood from slaves.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 16 juin 2013 - 12:59 .

[The Hierophant]

Qyla wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

True Meredith was even courteous to Gascard DuPuis.

I can't picture in my mind Meredith being courteous XD

I forget which companion exactly who expresses disbelief after you read her apology letter to Dupuis.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 16 juin 2013 - 12:18 .

[Lokiwithrope]

Tevinter has a pretty bloody history, regardless if they banned slavery during the Dragon Age.

Modifié par Lokiwithrope, 16 juin 2013 - 12:17 .

[KainD]

StreetMagic wrote...

KainD wrote...

Thedas follows the way of nature - the strongest survives. Nothing evil about that.

There isn't a clear strongest though. That's sort of been the see-sawing theme of Thedas. Maybe the closest was Andraste's armies for a second, but they got weakened by betrayal, not strength. Seems that since then the power is fairly equal between most entities, except the Elves. Orlais, Fereldan, Tevinter, Qunari, Free Marches.. they're all standing in place, not making many inroads (besides maybe Fereldan).

I mean the way inside society works. Slavery and such. 

[Bleachrude]

Rape is not legal in Orlais.

Orlais seems to follow the actual medieval structure of the nobles being a power unto themselves...Random commoner rapes another commoner and the city/town/village handle it themselves I wager.

Take Westeros for example....if any member of the great houses raped a commoner, you think any of the their fellow nobles would even bat an eyelash?

Now, if a female noble was raped, THEN you're talking straight up war.