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[Heidenreich]

Trista Hawke wrote...

OP, trust me. I tried to start this thread forever ago. You just end up getting a lot of negative feedback because fans completely over think the parenthood notion. I personally don't see why the PC can't be a parent whose child was taken away to the circle (it's a background story option) - hence you never see your child except maybe in a dream/vision via small cut scene.

But yeah...don't even try asking fans to think outside the box on this one...

The reason the forums, and folks in general, tend to say NO to kids in these games is for a reason.

Dragon Age isn't a fluffy bunny world where raising kids is ever a good idea. ESPECIALLY for the protags of these games, due part-in-partial to the fact that people keep trying to KILL THEM.

A pregnant Protag isn't exactly in the best shape to kill bad guys, and the "DADDY HAS TO SAVE THE DAY" cliche is so worn and tired it makes my eyes bleed, especially considering it's always a daughter and wife that get kidnapped or murdered.

IF they were going to add children to the active party/protag's life, I'd rather it be a 9-10 year old kid who's got no where else to go and can pick locks and blow stuff up and eventually warms up to the protag.

I have enough kids in real life, I really DON'T want my bad ass fem hero to have to worry about her babies while killing things.

Modifié par Heidenreich, 16 juin 2013 - 01:34 .

[ThisIsZad]

YES!

[Kalas Magnus]

I hope it isn't added.

I don't see the point.
The only game I've seen where you could have kids/families was fable 3 and it was awful.

[Heidenreich]

Trista Hawke wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

OP, trust me. I tried to start this thread forever ago. You just end up getting a lot of negative feedback because fans completely over think the parenthood notion. I personally don't see why the PC can't be a parent whose child was taken away to the circle (it's a background story option) - hence you never see your child except maybe in a dream/vision via small cut scene.

But yeah...don't even try asking fans to think outside the box on this one...

The reason the forums, and folks in general, tend to say NO to kids in these games is for a reason.

Dragon Age isn't a fluffy bunny world where raising kids is ever a good idea. ESPECIALLY for the protags of these games, due part-in-partial to the fact that people keep trying to KILL THEM.

A pregnant Protag isn't exactly in the best shape to kill bad guys, and the "DADDY HAS TO SAVE THE DAY" cliche is so worn and tired it makes my eyes bleed, especially considering it's always a daughter and wife that get kidnapped or murdered.

IF they were going to add children to the active party/protag's life, I'd rather it be a 9-10 year old kid who's got no where else to go and can pick locks and blow stuff up and eventually warms up to the protag.

I have enough kids in real life, I really DON'T want my bad ass fem hero to have to worry about her babies while killing things.

 

Case in point, OP. ^^^^^ 

Case in point how? That my opinion differs from yours I must be an unimaginative jerk?

I've played pleanty of games with kids IN them. I also HAVE kids. The reality of having the added stress of children in a situation that presents itself in these games is horrifying. How can you possibly focus on saving or distroying  the world when you're more concerened about caring for your children, keeping them safe in such  horrible cercomstances? Sure, a mage could have a kid that's locked in the circle, but then as a parent you'd be more concerened with FREEING said child then stoping the war or stoping the fade from taking over the world, or HELPING EITHER CAUSE.

It makes for terrible story writing, and is a contrived trope based soully on the rescue of your child or the protection of your child, and that is NOT what Dragon Age is about.

There's nothing that says we couldn't have a DA2 style, In between, game in this universe about a Protag trying to protect their family (and in fact we get that with DA2, only in the opposite effect of  "well shoot no matter how hard I tried I still screwed it up") -- but THIS game isn't about that, it's about saving/distroying the world as we know it. Giving the added weight of a child, of the protag's personal offspring, changes the nature of the game intirely.

[Heidenreich]

Trista Hawke wrote...

Sidenote: Beatrix Kiddo was a mom estranged from her child and she was a total badass. Got the sh*t kicked out of her and a bullet in the head (all while pregnant) and still lived to take down her assailants and reunite with her daughter. 

Now that I think about it, she's probably one of the most revered badass characters anyone can think of. (Thanks to Tarantino for thinking outside the box.)

That is also a MOVIE, and she thinks her kid is DEAD until the very end. Videogames are not movies or books.

[Sol Downer]

Heidenreich wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

Sidenote: Beatrix Kiddo was a mom estranged from her child and she was a total badass. Got the sh*t kicked out of her and a bullet in the head (all while pregnant) and still lived to take down her assailants and reunite with her daughter. 

Now that I think about it, she's probably one of the most revered badass characters anyone can think of. (Thanks to Tarantino for thinking outside the box.)

That is also a MOVIE, and she thinks her kid is DEAD until the very end. Videogames are not movies or books.

Surely, you jest...video games, movies, and books are VERY similar.

[Sol Downer]

ThisIsZad wrote...

YES!

What is this amazing-ness? I want this.

[Adela]

MAYBE BABY

[Heidenreich]

Ultimashade wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

Sidenote: Beatrix Kiddo was a mom estranged from her child and she was a total badass. Got the sh*t kicked out of her and a bullet in the head (all while pregnant) and still lived to take down her assailants and reunite with her daughter. 

Now that I think about it, she's probably one of the most revered badass characters anyone can think of. (Thanks to Tarantino for thinking outside the box.)

That is also a MOVIE, and she thinks her kid is DEAD until the very end. Videogames are not movies or books.

Surely, you jest...video games, movies, and books are VERY similar.

No I don't Jest. Also quoting this movie is Bull**** because sh'es not PREGNANT durring the course of the film.

Look, let me give you an example.

A bad ass hero and his pregnant wife are out and about in the world. At the first trimester she can kick ass and take names as well as she could pre-pregnancy. By the third trimester the bad ass hero is going to be more concerned with PROTECTING HIS FAMILY then doing the job, reguardless how badass his wife/girlfriend/mpreg boyfriend  might be.

Pregnant women are hardly fragile flowers, but if your character cared at all for said pregnant girlfriend/wife/mpgreg they'd be constantly worried about their safty and then less able to focus on the task at hand.


Reverse this same example.

A pregnant female Protag in the first trimester is going to be able to kick ass and chew bubble gum.

By the third trimester she'll be more worried about the child growing inside of her then saving the world. Even despite knowing that if they don't, there wont be a world for said child to live in, etc. Especially in the DA universe, a quick sword to the abdomin and said child's not-yet-realized life would be snuffed out. Void, a kick to the stomach at around 7 months would be enough to snuff out any chance of their potential lives, as well as endager the protag's life for any number of reasons including death by childbirth complications. Even WITH magic, we know that it can't bring someone back from death.

Not to mention the weight of dealing with the depression that would come with still birth.


If the child is older, the protag, as any sort of loving parent, would be in constant agony at the idea of their child's safty. Even, or especially, if the child has super human awsome world saving/killing powers.

This does not spell fun for me.


The only way it would work AT ALL is if the protag her/himself is a child.

Modifié par Heidenreich, 16 juin 2013 - 03:22 .

[berelinde]

The cataclysmic end of the world is not the time I would choose to have children but accidents happen, right? Of course, that assumes that the game will last long enough for children to be born. And that the children will be more than just meaningless ornaments for the castle. And that the PC has the inclination and temperament to look after children. But that means role-playing being a parent, doesn't it? On second thought, I'll pass.

[Huyna]

Well, it's kinda a challenge for developers.
I remember in Baldur's Gate 2 +Throne of Bhaal your protagonist could romance a Aerie - a wingless elf. Eventually, as their romance developed, Aerie could get pregnant and, as a result, she could gave birth to a healthy baby boy. The entire scene was great, with comments and suggestions from the rest of your party. I remember a palladin kept insisitng for protagonist and Aerie to get married, so child would not be considered a bastard (or something like that). It was hillarious and, yet, in a way a very touching scene. Aerie would carry a baby with her and the boy would take a slot in the inventory.
Years passed since i played BG2, and i still remember it.
A child in your protagonst life can add some great in-game moments - uncluding some story twists and so on. But to make it in non-cheesy and sincere way would be a real challenge.
I am not sure that Bioware can pull it through now.

Modifié par Huyna, 16 juin 2013 - 03:32 .

[Heidenreich]

just a quick aside, because srsly. If you've never had kids, let me put this into quick perspective...

Sorry guiz, can't save the world right now, busy breastfeeding.

[PlasmaCheese]

Lmao.. The baby had an inventory spot. Put it in junk and sell it. =c

[berelinde]

Hm, in DA:O, if you played a male Aeducan, you could have a son. There was an associated quest that involved getting your child recognized by the candidate you support. So it has been done before.

The only real objection I have to *voluntary* in-game parenthood is that it takes resources away from more engaging or relevant plots. The developers can and do include optional plots with limited player interest. Not everyone likes romances, for example. The idea of parenthood has been tossed around quite a bit, so the developers are certainly aware that at least a few people are interested in it. If they feel that the investment would be worthwhile, they might include it. If they decide that the investment would not be worthwhile, asking louder won't help.

[WitcheyMarina]

I don't think kids in DA are a good idea, at least for the protagonist. If the Inquisitor is in their late 30s to 40s, it might be interesting to have a teenage / young adult child somehow play a part, but not all players would want that.

Besides, I'm not sure about adopting when you're too busy trying to stop the world from tearing itself apart.

"Mama, can we play hide and seek?"
"Not now, dear. Mummy's trying to slay this dragon to get the best sword in the game world."

[Huyna]

Besides, I'm not sure about adopting when you're too busy trying to stop the world from tearing itself apart.

"Mama, can we play hide and seek?"
"Not now, dear. Mummy's trying to slay this dragon to get the best sword in the game world."

Skyrim:Hearthfire comes to mind.

Sometimes it was exactly like that.

- Let's play!
- Oh, sorry dear, i can not. But have this nice enchanted dagger i picked up from the dead daedra lord and play with it, while i kill few snow trolls that attacking our humble house.

Modifié par Huyna, 16 juin 2013 - 04:40 .

[In Exile]

Ultimashade wrote...
What is this amazing-ness? I want this.

Dragon age the anime?

[Melca36]

Chanda wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Chanda wrote...

There were kids in Origins, but I don't recall seeing any children in DA2. So I don't think there will be children in DAI, for some reason.

There were kids in Darktown...only Darktown. Guess all the Kirkwall kids went to Boarding school or something. <_<

Oh, right. The kids with the abomination mother and the one that was running for that elf, what was her name?  Athenril?

Actually there were more kids than that scattered around Darktown. If you clicked on them they said random things.

[Truffle]

Having siblings in DA2 was a good direction. Maybe an illegitimate child like Charade would work depending on how old the default protagonist is supposed to be.

[LobselVith8]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Not ingame, hopefully. But the best way to do it (I think) would be for your LI to ask how you'd feel about having a family sometime in the future, and let your imagination take it from there if you say yes.

This wa included in Dragon Age II, in a way: a romanced Merrill eludes to having children with a male Hawke when she speaks with him in the Amell mansion, right before their love scene.

[Iakus]

Having kids as NPC family would be kinda cool. Less so to have a child follower. I mean, there was Wild Flower in Jade Empire, but her circumstances would likely be considerably darker and more disturbing in a Thedas setting.

Overall, kids in the game would have to be done very carefully to avoid being either manipulative or cheesy.