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iakus wrote...

Having kids as NPC family would be kinda cool. Less so to have a child follower. I mean, there was Wild Flower in Jade Empire, but her circumstances would likely be considerably darker and more disturbing in a Thedas setting.


Technically, wouldn't she just have been an abomination with two passengers? 

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In Exile wrote...

iakus wrote...

Having kids as NPC family would be kinda cool. Less so to have a child follower. I mean, there was Wild Flower in Jade Empire, but her circumstances would likely be considerably darker and more disturbing in a Thedas setting.


Technically, wouldn't she just have been an abomination with two passengers? 


Yes.  Plus the little detail that she was the reanimated corpse of a dead child.  

She'd be more like Kristoff in Awakening.  With an extra demon passanger;)

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Trista Hawke wrote...

Case in point, OP. ^^^^^ 

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What? Someone has a different opinion to you. That does not make it "hating".

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I would really like this to be an element in-game. Alistair and his queen have been married for 10-20 years now, depending on the time in which DA:I takes place. Even if his wife was the warden, there is still a small chance.

I know this would never happen but it could work if the main character started out pregnant or his wife pregnant or whatever. Even if not, I'd like to see some form of family in DA:I. I loved the whole thing with Cousland's family and Hawke's mother & sister, it really made you see them more as people.

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BlueSword wrote...

I would really like this to be an element in-game. Alistair and his queen have been married for 10-20 years now, depending on the time in which DA:I takes place. Even if his wife was the warden, there is still a small chance.

I know this would never happen but it could work if the main character started out pregnant or his wife pregnant or whatever. Even if not, I'd like to see some form of family in DA:I. I loved the whole thing with Cousland's family and Hawke's mother & sister, it really made you see them more as people.


The developers have said that two Wardens can't conceive a child together. This is also pointed out by Alistair if he marries the Cousland Warden as the new King.

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I suppose if it is an optional feature, and the game included some sort of residence like the Hawke Estate, and perhaps have a short time skip as part of the MQ, for about, six months when you are, let's say, in captivity and give birth (or the partner gives birth) during that time skip and a decision to have kids has to be done before that point. If the other parent is a non companion LI NPC, they stay at home with the child, if they are a companion, let's say they hire a mage governess from Fereldan, who one can have an affair with.

In regards to the Alistair/Warden situation, didn't they say it was incredibly difficult, almost impossible, but not fully? One has to remember, there would've been few (if any) case studies, since that there weren't as many female wardens as male wardens and that they had a shorter lifespan with no free time.

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I think I heard in Origins that because of the taint the wardens find hard to have children and even more if the other lover is a warden too but not impossible.

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Please no.

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No, thank you.

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BlueSword wrote...

I know this would never happen but it could work if the main character started out pregnant or his wife pregnant or whatever.

ohh i dare you people why you making things difficult when they are not:D

the answear is simple....time jumps

like what we have in DA 2(even in DAO our warden started gathered an army for not less than 1 year(accoridng to Mage Warden dialoge with Wynne when he have mages help) and no problems for female(pregnancy and childborn) and male(for his romance pregnancy and childborn) protag if you WANT you own child(or you can adopt some...but i am for own child because my mage protag is not sterile:D).

...i am not understand peoples who behave as if someone would force them to have child if they not want this:D you are not Qunari and Tammassarants does not control your life:D if you want to live 40 years with mommy and not have a wife and childrens like Hawke so be it:D

i am sure that we would have those time jumps in DA 3 what would related with some history/events so why not use them......if our protag would want childrens he/she would have choice to do with his/her romance option and would have pregnance and child born in those missing years(in DA 2 we have some for 3 years and this is a very big time)

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 16 juin 2013 - 08:17 .


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Yes please, it sounds interesting if done correctly. Even if they are adornments in our castle.

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Heidenreich wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

Sidenote: Beatrix Kiddo was a mom estranged from her child and she was a total badass. Got the sh*t kicked out of her and a bullet in the head (all while pregnant) and still lived to take down her assailants and reunite with her daughter. 

Now that I think about it, she's probably one of the most revered badass characters anyone can think of. (Thanks to Tarantino for thinking outside the box.)


That is also a MOVIE, and she thinks her kid is DEAD until the very end. Videogames are not movies or books.


Surely, you jest...video games, movies, and books are VERY similar.


No I don't Jest. Also quoting this movie is Bull**** because sh'es not PREGNANT durring the course of the film.

Look, let me give you an example.

A bad ass hero and his pregnant wife are out and about in the world. At the first trimester she can kick ass and take names as well as she could pre-pregnancy. By the third trimester the bad ass hero is going to be more concerned with PROTECTING HIS FAMILY then doing the job, reguardless how badass his wife/girlfriend/mpreg boyfriend  might be.

Pregnant women are hardly fragile flowers, but if your character cared at all for said pregnant girlfriend/wife/mpgreg they'd be constantly worried about their safty and then less able to focus on the task at hand.


Reverse this same example.

A pregnant female Protag in the first trimester is going to be able to kick ass and chew bubble gum.

By the third trimester she'll be more worried about the child growing inside of her then saving the world. Even despite knowing that if they don't, there wont be a world for said child to live in, etc. Especially in the DA universe, a quick sword to the abdomin and said child's not-yet-realized life would be snuffed out. Void, a kick to the stomach at around 7 months would be enough to snuff out any chance of their potential lives, as well as endager the protag's life for any number of reasons including death by childbirth complications. Even WITH magic, we know that it can't bring someone back from death.

Not to mention the weight of dealing with the depression that would come with still birth.


If the child is older, the protag, as any sort of loving parent, would be in constant agony at the idea of their child's safty. Even, or especially, if the child has super human awsome world saving/killing powers.

This does not spell fun for me.


The only way it would work AT ALL is if the protag her/himself is a child.

 

Wow. 

Never mind over half the posts, including mine, that said that having the protag be a parent could be an optional background selected at the very start of the game.  (Meaning it's offered in text description only - you don't play through your pregnancy and childrearing. Plus it's optional. You can choose to be something else...)

Let's just make mountains out of molehills!

It's a video game.

Chill. Out.

Modifié par Trista Hawke, 16 juin 2013 - 08:24 .


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Trista Hawke wrote...

Wow. 

Never mind over half the posts, including mine, that said that having the protag be a parent could be an optional background selected at the very start of the game.

Let's just make mountains out of molehills!

It's a video game.

Chill. Out.


Wait.

So.. you sugest something. People tell you no. You tell them they're dumb and unimaginative. They tell you why they feel that way.

and now they need to chill out?



You confuse me sweetie. Did you want a discussion about the option to have our protags have children (at the start or otherwise)? Or did you just want folks to agree with you?


BSN :wizard:

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Heidenreich wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

Wow. 

Never mind over half the posts, including mine, that said that having the protag be a parent could be an optional background selected at the very start of the game.

Let's just make mountains out of molehills!

It's a video game.

Chill. Out.


Wait.

So.. you sugest something. People tell you no. You tell them they're dumb and unimaginative. They tell you why they feel that way.

and now they need to chill out?



You confuse me sweetie. Did you want a discussion about the option to have our protags have children (at the start or otherwise)? Or did you just want folks to agree with you?


BSN :wizard:

 

I never said anyone was dumb and unimaginative. 

I did not say they need to chill out. I said you need to chill out. 

Judging by the condescension ("sweetie") it is very obvious that you're trying to troll the thread to get it shut down.

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i think it would be fun if you had option to buy condoms so if theres sex scene and you have no condoms in inventory you find out that your LI becomes pregnant and your like wtf what have i done lol

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LobselVith8 wrote...

BlueSword wrote...

I would really like this to be an element in-game. Alistair and his queen have been married for 10-20 years now, depending on the time in which DA:I takes place. Even if his wife was the warden, there is still a small chance.

I know this would never happen but it could work if the main character started out pregnant or his wife pregnant or whatever. Even if not, I'd like to see some form of family in DA:I. I loved the whole thing with Cousland's family and Hawke's mother & sister, it really made you see them more as people.


The developers have said that two Wardens can't conceive a child together. This is also pointed out by Alistair if he marries the Cousland Warden as the new King.


I'm sure Alistair said in the near-end of the game that there was a very slim chance unless this was a flaw or something. Even if this is a flaw, Gaider said that it is impossible for two grey wardens to have children but that magic could enable them to do so, both for Bioware's future possibilites and for fans involved with fanfiction and roleplaying.

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I think kids can work great as motivations. When I played Dwarf Noble in DA:O, having a kid made Orzammar more interesting; in addition to getting an army to fight the war, I was also focused on getting my son accepted as a noble. When I played Witch Hunt with a Dark Ritual import, the fact that the OGB was my son made finding Morrigan more important. Imagine how much more interesting DA2 would have been if by Act 3 Hawke had a 3 year old child that had manifested magic.


That said, integrating kids is a challenge. With the Dwarf Noble I wished the kid had been brought up again, but instead nothing is ever heard about it. I know that David Gaider has said in the past that they don't want to repeat BG2, where one of the romances culminated in a child...which was an inventory item (worse, one with no use).


In the unlikely event that children are included, I don't want a repeat of Carver/Bethany, where the kids are conveniently shipped off to somewhere out of the way where they can't impact the plot.

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I think not actual kids but the idea of a normal, peaceful life, building family and raising children with your LI after the fight is over would be great. One thing that I like about Shepard - Liara relationship in ME was that they always show their desire to build a family together (with a lot of little blue children) after everything's over. I think it would be nice if they put sth like that in DA:I.

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maybe have them saying to an LI what do you think of having a kid when this is over and then seeing it in an epilouge

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garrusfan1 wrote...

maybe have them saying to an LI what do you think of having a kid when this is over and then seeing it in an epilouge

 

Exactly this. Though I say prologue (origin/background) or epilogue. But regardless, it's not in game. Just part of the protag's past/future script.

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Biological children pose a problem for female players. If it's you and your li that sounds ideal, but males can simply not bring their pregnant companion along. Females? They almost have to have time jumps on the game if they wish to do this.