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[ShadowLordXII]

Before you say anything, yes this is a dead horse because BW wants to keep the Star-Child. Even though the Star-Child is amongst the most contested parts of the game, BW decided to have the brat stay in the EC.  So one must ask why?

Rather you liked the ending, the Star-Child's very existence brings up various plotholes and problems like:

Since that Catalyst himself is a synthetic that turned on it's creators and made them into Harbinger and other synthetic-organic reapers to wipe out organics to keep them from being destroyed by synthetics...that just makes him a giant hypocrite in addition to being insane at best right?

Why did the Leviathans think that it would be a smart idea to have a synthetic figure out a solution for synthetic-organic conflicts? Especially since it was a conflict where synthetics were rising up against organics?

Why didn't the Catalyst just recorrect the Keeper signal after the illos scientists starved to death?

No one ever found that elevator that leads up to the Catalyst's chamber? Or that large compartment where he apparently stays?

Why do the reapers even need the keepers if the Catalyst could activate the Citadel's mass relay capabilities by itself?

What was the point of Sovereign if the Keeper could signal the reapers itself?

How come the Catalyst never tried to figure out how the Illos Scientists got into the Citadel? Couldn't just destroy or shut down the other half of the Conduit? A road only works if there's a point A and a point B, even if it's a one-way road.

How come the Catalyst didn't interfere in the Battle against Soveriegn and cancel-out Shepard's controls?

Why doesn't the Catalyst simply shut down the Mass Relay network once the reapers begin to invade?

Why was the Citadel brought to earth instead of keeping it within that nebula? Which is a cloud of various gases and dust which would be a perfect spot to ambush attackers...

Did the Star-Child always look like a child or is it just trolling Shepard?

Why did he let the Crucible dock with the Citadel when he knows that it's a device meant to destroy the reapers?

Is it still on the Citadel after Shepard picks the Synthesis or Control Option? If so, then why should it be trusted?

How does the Catalyst know that the reapers won't eventually turn on the universe anyway in the Synthesis Option? Remember, the Catalyst itself used it's own parameters to betray the leviathans, what's stopping the reapers from doing the same thing?

How did the Catalyst know that Shepard would be able to get up from getting shot multiple times by rifles and Harbinger's beam and not pass out from blood loss?

Why is it even talking to Shepard at all?

What's the rush? Why can't it say who first designed the Crucible?

Since the Catalyst represents the collective consciousness of all reapers, why isn't it coordinating with the reapers to zerg rush the Citadel before Shepard activates the Crucible? What's stopping Harbinger from crashing through a window and throwing Shepard into outer space?

Again, the collective consciousness of the reapers is allowing Shepard to control all of the reapers? Why would he be giving this option to Renegade Shepard? You know...the Shepard who potentially murdered thousands/millions of people throughout all three games including their own squadmates and support crew? How does it know that Paragon Shepard won't simply order the reapers to self-detonate?

How was he certain that no one else followed Shepard up the beam on Earth? What would have happened if Shepard and 2 random soldiers/squadmates made with him and all three of them choose every option?

Why does the Catalyst rage-quit when Shepard shoots him? The bullet obviously didn't hurt and he was intially amiable for the collective consciousness of a race of organic spaceships who want nothing more than for Shepard to die...so why would a harmless bullet change any of that?

Why does it raise it's voice and then return it to normal when the Reject Ending is chosen?

At first it says that a new solution is required and that the Crucible has changed him...but he can still shut it down whenever he wants?

Whats stopping Shepard or any of the numerous talented engineers and hackers from reactivating the Crucible on their own and taking a fifth option apart from Mass Suicide (Reject); Mass Betrayal (Destroy); Mass Slavery (Control) or Mass Molestation (Synthesis)?

If the Catalyst could easily shut down the Crucible whenever it wanted then why is it keeping the Destroy Option as valid as the others? Especially since it believes that the "solution" won't last.

How come the Crucible can target reapers for control, but indiscriminately wipes out all synthetics with destroy?

Supposedly all synthetic life is based on reaper-tech at this point and that's why they die when you pick Destroy, right? But...since all ME technology is based on the Mass Relays which were built by the reapers, how come the Victory Fleet's ships all work?

The Collective Consciousness of all reapers just stands there and lets Shepard destroy them all?

How does it know that synthesis is going to solve the great problem? Saren was practically synthesized himself and he was still a ruthless bigoted war-mongerer.  Plus, organics have been killing each other since the beginning of time, synthesis will just give people more abilities with which to kill each other.

Shepard is supposed to be partially synthetic, but he can survive the Destroy option and the partial destruction of the Citadel? So why is shepard alive, but EDI dies?

So are all of the geth dead or just the ones with bodies? What about the geth that had uploaded themselves into quarian suits to improve their immune systems? Are they still screwed or would they be considered part of the quarian suits?

So in light of this list that could easily be longer, what is so important about the Star-Child that he has to stay in the Ending? What is that all-essential role that no one else can fill that has his name written all over it?

And that's as far as I'll bother to go...

And no one say Artistic Integrity, I want an actual answer. That's close to a page's worth of plot-holes, narrative flaws, inconsistencies, fallacies in logic and things that are just plain stupid.  What makes the Star-Child so essential to the ending of ME3 despite everything that I've just listed?

[Ticonderoga117]

BioWare has decided that symbolism trumps common sense in story telling. No, there is no reason for him, Shepard dying every time, or Planet Eden.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

because itz a game.Why are people always trying to find minor plotholez

as a wise man once said, #YOLO

[KiwiQuiche]

Because Bioware was trying to be deep and failed spectacularly.

[Wolfva2]

Because computers can't change their programming. Because this was a STORY, and like all stories it goes in the direction the writers send it. Because YOU didn't write it, which is surely a shame since it would undoubtedly have been a work of art so beautiful...so poignant, that Chekhov would use his gun to commit suicide knowing he could do better. That Shakespeare would have arisen from the grave solely to shed ghostly tears upon your shoes at such poetry.

BECAUSE THE FREAKING GAME IS OVER.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

StreetMagic wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

because itz a game.Why are people always trying to find minor plotholez

as a wise man once said, #YOLO

The only time I heard someone say Yolo was that rapper who crashed and died, while drunk driving and using his twitter account. Not really wise imo.

i thought YOLO was invented by a band called Suicide Silence.

whatever

[Yestare7]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Because Bioware was trying to be deep and failed spectacularly.

Thank God for MEHEM and the Citadel DLC

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Yestare7 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Because Bioware was trying to be deep and failed spectacularly.

Thank God for MEHEM and the Citadel DLC

please change that signature or i'll punch my monitor

[Ticonderoga117]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Because computers can't change their programming. Because this was a STORY, and like all stories it goes in the direction the writers send it. Because YOU didn't write it, which is surely a shame since it would undoubtedly have been a work of art so beautiful...so poignant, that Chekhov would use his gun to commit suicide knowing he could do better. That Shakespeare would have arisen from the grave solely to shed ghostly tears upon your shoes at such poetry.

BECAUSE THE FREAKING GAME IS OVER.

Computers can't change thier programming eh? Then why did it kill most of the Leviathans, build a Synthesis based army, and commit galatic genocide for billions of years?

And a STORY has to make SENSE or it becomes BS.

[FlamingBoy]

because you wouldn't feel emotion if there was not a kid in it

Honestly that kid has become legendary for his sheer irrelevancy beyond a misguided attempt at empathy by the developers.

[Wolfva2]

StreetMagic wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Because computers can't change their programming. Because this was a STORY, and like all stories it goes in the direction the writers send it. Because YOU didn't write it, which is surely a shame since it would undoubtedly have been a work of art so beautiful...so poignant, that Chekhov would use his gun to commit suicide knowing he could do better. That Shakespeare would have arisen from the grave solely to shed ghostly tears upon your shoes at such poetry.

BECAUSE THE FREAKING GAME IS OVER.

It's funny, I'm usually all for defending companies to follow their mantra/artistic vision/what have you, and tell fellow fans to make their own games if they're that upset.. but even I hit my limit here. It's just crap.

About the only hope I can garner from it is that there's a slight chance of madness on Bioware's part that actually wanted this madness, wanted to be hated by the community, all in the hopes of showing their "true hand" one day. The fact that they're even trying to make a Mass Effect 4 has me puzzled. Because I don't have the imagination on what could follow up on this.

So, how do you explain the people who liked the ending?  Or just the ones who are ok with it?  Because WE exist as well as you that hated it.  What I find most distastefull about the haters is this "Only MY opinion matters!!!!!!" bs.  They think just because THEY hate something, every single person in the world is marching in lockstep with them.

BW went with the ending that they did because they thought it was a good ending.  Since good and bad are subjective matters, there is no right or wrong to it; THEY thought it was good.  Other people thought it was good.  A vocal segment of the BSN thought it was horrible.  Hopefully their future endigs will be better, with what they've learned from this. 

But to constantly, incessantly moan and groan about it...ENOUGH ALREADY.  Some of you sound like petulant, whiney, emo teenagers who's girlfriend has just dumped them.  You're all over the place writing nasty things about her on the men's room bathrooms; bad mouthing her to your friends and anonymous folks sitting on the bus. going on and on about how horrible she is.  Then, you sit in your darkened rooms cutting yourselves as the mascara runs down your cheeks sobbing, "Why won't she loooooveeee meeeeee!"  You've cried a river.  It's time to build a bridge AND GET OVER IT.  If you think BW is such a horrible company, DON'T BUY THEIR GAMES.  Simple as that.

Man, I miss the days when Official forums were where people who LIKED the game would talk about it.

Modifié par Wolfva2, 17 juin 2013 - 08:39 .

[Maxster_]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Because computers can't change their programming. Because this was a STORY, and like all stories it goes in the direction the writers send it. Because YOU didn't write it, which is surely a shame since it would undoubtedly have been a work of art so beautiful...so poignant, that Chekhov would use his gun to commit suicide knowing he could do better. That Shakespeare would have arisen from the grave solely to shed ghostly tears upon your shoes at such poetry.

BECAUSE THE FREAKING GAME IS OVER.

It was a crappy, nonsensical story. Badly written and badly executed.
Low quality.

Some people just eat anything they served.
Simple.

Modifié par Maxster_, 17 juin 2013 - 08:44 .

[Wolfva2]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Computers can't change thier programming eh? Then why did it kill most of the Leviathans, build a Synthesis based army, and commit galatic genocide for billions of years?

And a STORY has to make SENSE or it becomes BS.

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<sigh>

Ok.  The Leviathans programmed the Catalyst to come up with a solution to the perceived problem that synthetics would always wipe out organics.  It came up with a solution.  This solution was the harvest.  It did not change it's programming; it did EXACTLY what it was programmed to do.  Probably was pretty stupid to program a synthetic to believe that synthetics ALWAYS destroy their organic masters...but the Leviathans were nothing if not arogant.

The story made sense to me.  Just because something doesn't make sense to YOU doesn't make it BS.  I mean, that's the height of hubris right there.  "Anything that I PERSONALLY don't understand is BS!!!!"  Are you going to claim to be the Alpha and Omega to?

[FlamingBoy]

Wolfva2 wrote...


So, how do you explain the people who liked the ending?  Or just the ones who are ok with it?  Because WE exist as well as you that hated it.  What I find most distastefull about the haters is this "Only MY opinion matters!!!!!!" bs.  They think just because THEY hate something, every single person in the world is marching in lockstep with them.

BW went with the ending that they did because they thought it was a good ending.  Since good and bad are subjective matters, there is no right or wrong to it; THEY thought it was good.  Other people thought it was good.  A vocal segment of the BSN thought it was horrible.  Hopefully their future endigs will be better, with what they've learned from this. 

But to constantly, incessantly moan and groan about it...ENOUGH ALREADY.  Some of you sound like petulant, whiney, emo teenagers who's girlfriend has just dumped them.  You're all over the place writing nasty things about her on the men's room bathrooms; bad mouthing her to your friends and anonymous folks sitting on the bus. going on and on about how horrible she is.  Then, you sit in your darkened rooms cutting yourselves as the mascara runs down your cheeks sobbing, "Why won't she loooooveeee meeeeee!"  You've cried a river.  It's time to build a bridge AND GET OVER IT.  If you think BW is such a horrible company, DON'T BUY THEIR GAMES.  Simple as that.

Man, I miss the days when Official forums were where people who LIKED the game would talk about it.

Atrocious behavior.

[Wolfva2]

Maxster_ wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Because computers can't change their programming. Because this was a STORY, and like all stories it goes in the direction the writers send it. Because YOU didn't write it, which is surely a shame since it would undoubtedly have been a work of art so beautiful...so poignant, that Chekhov would use his gun to commit suicide knowing he could do better. That Shakespeare would have arisen from the grave solely to shed ghostly tears upon your shoes at such poetry.

BECAUSE THE FREAKING GAME IS OVER.

It was a crappy, nonsensical story. Badly written and badly executed.
Low quality.

Some people just eat anything they served.
Simple.

And now you have your solution!  Only an idiot would keep going to the resteraunt that serves bad food.  So, I assume this will be your very last post?  And that you'll never buy another BW product?  After all, YOU aren't an idiot!  Been nice knowing you!  Maybe I'l run into you on some other forum!

Personally, I blame the educational system for not teaching the difference between 'objective' and 'subjective'. <shrug>

[Maxster_]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Because computers can't change their programming. Because this was a STORY, and like all stories it goes in the direction the writers send it. Because YOU didn't write it, which is surely a shame since it would undoubtedly have been a work of art so beautiful...so poignant, that Chekhov would use his gun to commit suicide knowing he could do better. That Shakespeare would have arisen from the grave solely to shed ghostly tears upon your shoes at such poetry.

BECAUSE THE FREAKING GAME IS OVER.

It was a crappy, nonsensical story. Badly written and badly executed.
Low quality.

Some people just eat anything they served.
Simple.

And now you have your solution!  Only an idiot would keep going to the resteraunt that serves bad food.  So, I assume this will be your very last post?  And that you'll never buy another BW product?  After all, YOU aren't an idiot!  Been nice knowing you!  Maybe I'l run into you on some other forum!

Personally, I blame the educational system for not teaching the difference between 'objective' and 'subjective'. <shrug>

Forum is a form of entertainment. It is fun to annoy people like you, by just mere existence.
And, never buying another EAWare game(which i already said many times on this forum, that i won't buy anything from them), is completely unrelated to being on forum, where i have all rights to be.
Simple.

As for objective and subjective - liking|disliking work of fiction is subjective, while writing quality is objective.
And you are mixing those, to make your post have weight, when it doesn't

[Ticonderoga117]

Wolfva2 wrote...
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Ok.  The Leviathans programmed the Catalyst to come up with a solution to the perceived problem that synthetics would always wipe out organics.  It came up with a solution.  This solution was the harvest.  It did not change it's programming; it did EXACTLY what it was programmed to do.  Probably was pretty stupid to program a synthetic to believe that synthetics ALWAYS destroy their organic masters...but the Leviathans were nothing if not arogant.

The story made sense to me.  Just because something doesn't make sense to YOU doesn't make it BS.  I mean, that's the height of hubris right there.  "Anything that I PERSONALLY don't understand is BS!!!!"  Are you going to claim to be the Alpha and Omega to?

So did they just forget to add some code?

if(target == Leviathan){
shoot = 0;
}

And the solution to synthetics killing organics is not too kill organics yourself! That's not a solution, that's the problem!

And you say that I exhibit hubris? Look in a mirror buddy. You assume that this story is "Too deep for me". Please! It's stupid all the way down. Why? Let's use an example.

Police Chief: Govenor, criminals are killing my officers!
Gov: Ok, I have a solution!
PC: Give us better body armor?
G: No!
PC: Hire more cops?
G: No!
PC: Give us better guns?
G: No!
PC: What then?
G Give the CRIMINALS more guns! Specifically, take guns away from the officers and use them!

It's the same idea. The Leviathans see an issue. They then not only not do the common sense thing when your species has mind control powers and rule over the galaxy pretty much, but instead, do the WORST possible choice. This is like fighting a fire by pouring more gasoline on a fire.

Nevermind that the Catalyst and most of what he says contradicts information given from ME1 and ME2!

[FlamingBoy]

StreetMagic wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

because you wouldn't feel emotion if there was not a kid in it

Honestly that kid has become legendary for his sheer irrelevancy beyond a misguided attempt at empathy by the developers.

Thing is, he shows his true colors if you pick Refuse. He resorts back to the booming voice and is just another Reaper all along. More proof that he's just screwing with you at first.

I dunno, refuse was a bizzare experience, honestly it felt like bioware was jumblig a couple ideas to keep us guessing. But having no clue what the answer was themselves.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@ OP: It is not something you can comprehend.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 17 juin 2013 - 09:24 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Why are threads like this being made, one year and three months after the release of the game?