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[Maxster_]

crimzontearz wrote...

A disaster which costed how much with the EC? 10 000$ just to upload it on XBL plus all the other costs

But hey, according to the numbers upset people are the minority (I mean bioware's secret but definitely true numbers.....according to them)

So, according to them, they have nothing to learn, because there was no mistake in the first place

And you hope they learned.. something?

[FlamingBoy]

crimzontearz wrote...

A disaster which costed how much with the EC? 10 000$ just to upload it on XBL plus all the other costs

But hey, according to the numbers upset people are the minority (I mean bioware's secret but definitely true numbers.....according to them)

Money is a thickle thing, it can be tangible, as you pointed out with the EC (it would have cost a lot more than that, even as poor as it was). However reputation (among other things) is intangible, it cannot be defined by a balance sheet, but make no mistake it exists, it is an asset which bioware used to have, and they accrued riches from said reputation.

Finally
Unless you are privy to biowares "secret numbers", speculation on the "minority" is argumentum ad populum, I mean even if some one is in the minority it does not make him right or wrong.

[crimzontearz]

FlamingBoy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

A disaster which costed how much with the EC? 10 000$ just to upload it on XBL plus all the other costs

But hey, according to the numbers upset people are the minority (I mean bioware's secret but definitely true numbers.....according to them)

Money is a thickle thing, it can be tangible, as you pointed out with the EC (it would have cost a lot more than that, even as poor as it was). However reputation (among other things) is intangible, it cannot be defined by a balance sheet, but make no mistake it exists, it is an asset which bioware used to have, and they accrued riches from said reputation.

Finally
Unless you are privy to biowares "secret numbers", speculation on the "minority" is argumentum ad populum, I mean even if some one is in the minority it does not make him right or wrong.

I was talking about Jessica's comments about

• the fact that the EC was done listening 100% to the numbers and the people (meaning that yes people WANTED Shepard to die in all options and be trolled with the breath scene and its ambiguity)

And

• People still upset are the minority


 
It is not an argument ad popolum, she has these mystical numbers and she says we are plain wrong...

[FlamingBoy]

Was this is on twitter or the bioware social network (or any social media).

If either of these are the case, Then anything she said is worthless, not even worthy of the cyberspace its written on. Why?
Because to write in either means that Jessica and Bioware are not accountable to what they said. Did she provide data, balance sheets, income statements, bar charts. Can she talk me through how she got to that conclusion.
Most importantly will she stake hers and biowares reputation on the facts she presents.

Bioware has proven time and time again they cannot be trusted to tell the most basic truths on social media (this reputation thing again ). Hence tangible truth is required beyond "there word".

I am not here demanding Jessica to tell me everything in biowares treasure trove, I only want to point at the absurdity and pointing at a source who is by all intensive purposes and anonymous one who won't commit beyond a few secounds to type a twitter post.

[crimzontearz]

Her comments were posted here on the BSN, but yes my tone was supposed to be sarcastic

[FlamingBoy]

Your not a good enough writer to express sarcasm.

Edit: neither am i 

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 17 juin 2013 - 12:03 .

[crimzontearz]

Whatever, I just wish they could be honest for once

[Redbelle]

crimzontearz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

A disaster which costed how much with the EC? 10 000$ just to upload it on XBL plus all the other costs

But hey, according to the numbers upset people are the minority (I mean bioware's secret but definitely true numbers.....according to them)

Money is a thickle thing, it can be tangible, as you pointed out with the EC (it would have cost a lot more than that, even as poor as it was). However reputation (among other things) is intangible, it cannot be defined by a balance sheet, but make no mistake it exists, it is an asset which bioware used to have, and they accrued riches from said reputation.

Finally
Unless you are privy to biowares "secret numbers", speculation on the "minority" is argumentum ad populum, I mean even if some one is in the minority it does not make him right or wrong.

I was talking about Jessica's comments about

• the fact that the EC was done listening 100% to the numbers and the people (meaning that yes people WANTED Shepard to die in all options and be trolled with the breath scene and its ambiguity)

And

• People still upset are the minority


 
It is not an argument ad popolum, she has these mystical numbers and she says we are plain wrong...

I think you are forgetting.

BW stated that the ending was a balance between fan feedback and their vision of the ending. They were explicit in stating that it was a weighing of many factors. Not out and out fanservice.

As such, Shepards death can still be attributed to BW's vision..... however, the Refuse scene does not have Shepard death, per se, ala RGB, but implies it after the cycle has ended. Therefore, Shepard may have died to the ravages of time....(as unlikely as that sounds) instead of being a sacrifical lamb on the alter of Reaper logic.

Regardless. The endings lacked the extreme spectrum of happy ending. Instead providing the 3 middle, you can't have everything no matter how hard you worked, endings. And the, everyone dies but there's always the next cycle, bad ending with a silver lining.

*edit Sacasm?............ Drat.

Modifié par Redbelle, 17 juin 2013 - 12:11 .

[crimzontearz]

Red....I only wanted a proper reunion scene, and I hope Bioware's Vision will come to bite them in the butt hard enough, later, that they will find again some humility and connection to the fanbase

[Mcfly616]

Because it's their game.


The Catalyst makes sense. Get over it. Or go play a different game. Or just continue to beat a long dead horse. It's kind of funny, actually.

[FlamingBoy]

We exist for your childish amusement Mcfly616.

I am pleased that is clarified and we will never speak of this again

[GreyLycanTrope]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Because Bioware was trying to be deep and failed spectacularly.

^^^^^
It's what's known as an ambitious failure.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 17 juin 2013 - 12:40 .

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Because it's their game.


The Catalyst makes sense. Get over it. Or go play a different game. Or just continue to beat a long dead horse. It's kind of funny, actually.

I have, several actually, all of which enticed me to replay them more than once.


 
Let's just say I still hope Bioware listens to us and their next game is less bull**** grimdark mature cool and hip symbolism and more of what their other games used to be

[FlamingBoy]

Greylycantrope wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Because Bioware was trying to be deep and failed spectacularly.

^^^^^
It's what's known as an ambitious failure.

I picture it in my head as the Napoleanic wars or Operation Market Garden of video games.

[crimzontearz]

Or JCP's fair and square prices policy

[Dubozz]

Cos bioware don't give a f***.

[NeonFlux117]

Cause Bioware derped hard in writing the narrative of ME3 and getting narrative cohesiveness.

In short, the lead writers of ME3 are scrubs and didn't proof read and/or peer review their own content.

Totally justifiable mistake if you're taking a local creative writing class at a community or junior college. But in professional writing????? Nah, it's pretty lame.

[crimzontearz]

I still wonder tho


Why Mac?

[dreamgazer]

They thought another ancient AI explaining the function of another plot-finishing Prothean device was suitable, so they tied it to a Asimov-like moral dilemma that was intended to provoke discussion. On top of that, it costs money to make new content, and they're not obligated to cave to the demands of angry "fans" who didn't like their output.

[NeonFlux117]

crimzontearz wrote...

I still wonder tho


Why Mac?

see above bro, sad but true. 

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

I still wonder tho


Why Mac?

They tried to emulate something like DA: Origins' choice-based ending with moral relativism and a heroic sacrifice, and they stumbled. It happens, especially when you consider the fact that near-invincible, immortal mecha-Cthulhu with laser beams are the antagonists that needed to be dealt with.

[crimzontearz]

No I meant why Mac as a head writer given his give lack of experience besides writing characters

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

No I meant why Mac as a head writer given his give lack of experience besides writing characters

Ah. I'll leave that bit of speculation to the disgruntled conspiracy theorists.

[agentN7]

The game was a story, and obviously a legend at that as we see the child and grandfather at the end of the game. Many stories have holes in them. For example, did i ever tell you the story about the only middle eastern man with pale white skin, who had blue eyes and long brown hair and a perfect beard in the days of shaving you face with razor sharp stones ? ...well he created the planet and in doing so he created sin. He then came back to let himself be killed in order to save us from the sin he created. Now is over 1billion people believe that ****, then forgive some of us for not being overly agressive in criticising plot holes in a video games.

Modifié par agentN7, 17 juin 2013 - 01:34 .

[NeonFlux117]

crimzontearz wrote...

No I meant why Mac as a head writer given his give lack of experience besides writing characters

 

No idea, baffling actually. The lead writer should have been, if drew wasn't available, Patrick Weekes. So, yeah.... I have not a clue why Mac was put in that position. Only Overlord Hudson knows.