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[FlamingBoy]

I think pinning it all on Mac, while yes responsible as lead writer, is a little harsh.

The games flaws (ie crucible, catalyst, leviathans, reapers related) were baked into the narrative and they did a brilliant job in covering it up. But when it came time for answers, when it came time for the emotional payoff that we all spent time and money into. They buggered it up.

[Iakus]

Maxster_ wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

A disaster which costed how much with the EC? 10 000$ just to upload it on XBL plus all the other costs

But hey, according to the numbers upset people are the minority (I mean bioware's secret but definitely true numbers.....according to them)

So, according to them, they have nothing to learn, because there was no mistake in the first place

And you hope they learned.. something?

::Leviathan voice::

There was no mistake.  It still serves its purpose 

[crimzontearz]

FlamingBoy wrote...

I think pinning it all on Mac, while yes responsible as lead writer, is a little harsh.

The games flaws (ie crucible, catalyst, leviathans, reapers related) were baked into the narrative and they did a brilliant job in covering it up. But when it came time for answers, when it came time for the emotional payoff that we all spent time and money into. They buggered it up.

sadly we will never know how or if anyone objected. Worse than that, had they objected he was the lead writer, given how the endings came to be why would any other part of the story be any different if he wanted it to be a certain way


 
Also, Casey hired Mac with borderline no experience if I remember it right.

[Raphamon]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm pretty sure the Catalyst is trolling Shep. He's tapping into his subconscious and knows that the kid who died at Earth's invasion has been weighing on Shep's mind and he dreams about it. So he tries to take on that form. That's how insidious the Reapers are. Probably the first step in indoctrination is tugging at your deepest thoughts like that.

It's silly that he even presumes to care about organics. He's the very one who blasted that kid.

I call BS on this. Clearly BioWare did not know what they were doing. I never understood why the Catalyst shows up in the form of that child. It makes no sense. Sure Shepard feels sad that the child died but Shepard did not know the child at all and as such had no emotional ties to the child. It is just some random kid that got killed during the invasion. Thousands of children most likely got killed during the Reaper invasion. It would have made way more sense if the Catalyst showed up as Kaiden/Ashley (depending on who died in ME1). That would have made much more sense because that would have been a character Shepard actually had emotional ties to. IMHO the Catalyst is a ****** for choosing the appearance of just some random kid that had no ties to Shepard in any way shape or form.

Modifié par Raphamon, 17 juin 2013 - 02:15 .

[Kel Riever]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@ OP: It is not something you can comprehend.

Or, in fact, can we?.......

[KaiserShep]

Maybe the catalyst should not have been some stupid human form anyway, and just be Vendetta giving you the rundown of the crucible's functions. After all, wasn't Vendetta supposed to be the one that would interface with this thing?

[crimzontearz]

KaiserShep wrote...

Maybe the catalyst should not have been some stupid human form anyway, and just be Vendetta giving you the rundown of the crucible's functions. After all, wasn't Vendetta supposed to be the one that would interface with this thing?

that was not artsy enough

[Tonymac]

The catalyst is a bad idea, period. Its bad writing. If the Reapers would have had a central consciousness or intelligence then they wouldn't have been each a nation, independent, free of all weakness. Sovereign might have lied, though, right? But then Legion told us about Nazara - who is Sovereign, and how they have many programs inside. Reapers have more programs in them than there are Geth in the consensus. The Reapers would not need a central controlling intellect.

I think the entire premise is bad writing.

[remydat]

All the people who claim they are never buying another Bioware game or who will not buy ME4 do realise they need to buy the game to be registered on the forums? So I sure hope I don't see them when ME4 comes out. Or let me guess, they will someone find a way to bypass the forum requirement to own the game in order to complain about ME4?

[remydat]

Tonymac wrote...

The catalyst is a bad idea, period. Its bad writing. If the Reapers would have had a central consciousness or intelligence then they wouldn't have been each a nation, independent, free of all weakness. Sovereign might have lied, though, right? But then Legion told us about Nazara - who is Sovereign, and how they have many programs inside. Reapers have more programs in them than there are Geth in the consensus. The Reapers would not need a central controlling intellect.

I think the entire premise is bad writing.

This is incorrect.  The Geth with Reaper code are now individuals.  However, they can still network together and share their experiences.  In theory if humans could log on to a server and share all our memories on that server, we would be individual humans as well has have a shared consciousness via that server.

[birefringent]

What did you think would happen when Shep and Liara made biotic love while traveling by a mass relay in mass effect 1; was bound to spawn a glowing kid. It was inevitable

[Maxster_]

remydat wrote...

All the people who claim they are never buying another Bioware game or who will not buy ME4 do realise they need to buy the game to be registered on the forums? So I sure hope I don't see them when ME4 comes out. Or let me guess, they will someone find a way to bypass the forum requirement to own the game in order to complain about ME4?

Butthurt much?

[Iakus]

remydat wrote...

All the people who claim they are never buying another Bioware game or who will not buy ME4 do realise they need to buy the game to be registered on the forums? So I sure hope I don't see them when ME4 comes out. Or let me guess, they will someone find a way to bypass the forum requirement to own the game in order to complain about ME4?

Heck the rate restrictions are being tightened, there may not be a forum by the time ME4 rolls around

[Liamv2]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@ OP: It is not something you can comprehend.

[CrutchCricket]

ShadowLordXII wrote...
And no one say Artistic Integrity, I want an actual answer.

We've been asking for one for over a year. The only thing we've gotten for our troubles... is the finger.

"Because **** you, that's why."- Bioware

[Iakus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

ShadowLordXII wrote...
And no one say Artistic Integrity, I want an actual answer.

We've been asking for one for over a year. The only thing we've gotten for our troubles... is the finger.

"Because **** you, that's why."- Bioware

They're just waiting for more people to finish the game

[AlexMBrennan]

Simples: Removing him would have constituted a change, and they had said that they would not change the ending but only expand on it to provide more closure.

All the people who claim they are never buying another Bioware game or who will not buy ME4 do realise they need to buy the game to be registered on the forums? So I sure hope I don't see them when ME4 comes out. Or let me guess, they will someone find a way to bypass the forum requirement to own the game in order to complain about ME4?

I am registered already - will they un-register everyone once ME4 is released?

What's more, there is a dead easy way to bypass the requirement to own the game: Make your own forum (e.g. like the Retake people did). Or use Youtube.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 17 juin 2013 - 06:43 .

[Clayless]

Almost all of those rely on you believing the Catalyst has power over the Citadel.

[Eterna]

[quote]ShadowLordXII wrote...

Since that Catalyst himself is a synthetic that turned on it's creators and made them into Harbinger and other synthetic-organic reapers to wipe out organics to keep them from being destroyed by synthetics...that just makes him a giant hypocrite in addition to being insane at best right?[/quote]

did It ever occur to you that this was intentional?

[quote]Why did the Leviathans think that it would be a smart idea to have a synthetic figure out a solution for synthetic-organic conflicts? Especially since it was a conflict where synthetics were rising up against organics?[/quote]

Power breeds arrogance. They believed the entire galaxy was at their beck and call, they never believed they could suffer the same fate as their thralls. It is supposed to be ironic. 

[quote]Why didn't the Catalyst just recorrect the Keeper signal after the illos scientists starved to death?[/quote]

Dunno, maybe it couldn't?

[quote]No one ever found that elevator that leads up to the Catalyst's chamber? Or that large compartment where he apparently stays?[/quote]

There are plenty of places on the citadel that were unexplored, Mass Effect one told us this. 

[quote]Why do the reapers even need the keepers if the Catalyst could activate the Citadel's mass relay capabilities by itself?[/quote]

Who said it can?

[quote]What was the point of Sovereign if the Keeper could signal the reapers itself?[/quote]

The keeper signal was disrupted... like you said above. 

[quote]How come the Catalyst never tried to figure out how the Illos Scientists got into the Citadel? Couldn't just destroy or shut down the other half of the Conduit? A road only works if there's a point A and a point B, even if it's a one-way road.[/quote]

Why would he need to after the fact?

[quote]How come the Catalyst didn't interfere in the Battle against Soveriegn and cancel-out Shepard's controls?[/quote]

My theory is that like all Reapers, it hibernates until the signal is sent out. 

[quote]Why doesn't the Catalyst simply shut down the Mass Relay network once the reapers begin to invade?[/quote]

It may not have power over them. 

[quote]Why was the Citadel brought to earth instead of keeping it within that nebula? Which is a cloud of various gases and dust which would be a perfect spot to ambush attackers...[/quote]

Bulk of the Reapers forces are on earth. 

[quote]Did the Star-Child always look like a child or is it just trolling Shepard?[/quote]

Symbolism that is lost on you. 

[quote]Why did he let the Crucible dock with the Citadel when he knows that it's a device meant to destroy the reapers?[/quote]

He didn't let it, he sent Reapers to stop it from docking but your forces were strong enough to stop those reapers from stopping you. 

[quote]Is it still on the Citadel after Shepard picks the Synthesis or Control Option? If so, then why should it be trusted?[/quote]

That isn't  plot hole or problem, it's just your opinion.

[quote]How does the Catalyst know that the reapers won't eventually turn on the universe anyway in the Synthesis Option? Remember, the Catalyst itself used it's own parameters to betray the leviathans, what's stopping the reapers from doing the same thing?[/quote]

Because Synthesis solves the problem the Reapers were created to solve. They don't need to harvest as the problem no longer exists. 

[quote]How did the Catalyst know that Shepard would be able to get up from getting shot multiple times by rifles and Harbinger's beam and not pass out from blood loss?[/quote]

Where does it say that the Catalyst knew Shepard would survive?

[quote]Why is it even talking to Shepard at all?[/quote]

Because the Crucible changed it and created new solutions to its problems. Its own solution no longer works. It tells you this.

[quote]What's the rush? Why can't it say who first designed the Crucible?[/quote]

Because your fleet is blowing up in the background...

[quote]Since the Catalyst represents the collective consciousness of all reapers, why isn't it coordinating with the reapers to zerg rush the Citadel before Shepard activates the Crucible? What's stopping Harbinger from crashing through a window and throwing Shepard into outer space?[/quote]

The crucible changed it, it knows of new solutions and wants those solutions. 

[quote]Again, the collective consciousness of the reapers is allowing Shepard to control all of the reapers? Why would he be giving this option to Renegade Shepard? You know...the Shepard who potentially murdered thousands/millions of people throughout all three games including their own squadmates and support crew? How does it know that Paragon Shepard won't simply order the reapers to self-detonate?[/quote]

Because the catalyst does not care about morality, it just wants it problem solved, which renegade control still does. 

[quote]How was he certain that no one else followed Shepard up the beam on Earth? What would have happened if Shepard and 2 random soldiers/squadmates made with him and all three of them choose every option?[/quote]

These are no longer problems... you're just heading into hypothetial territory. 

[quote]Why does the Catalyst rage-quit when Shepard shoots him? The bullet obviously didn't hurt and he was intially amiable for the collective consciousness of a race of organic spaceships who want nothing more than for Shepard to die...so why would a harmless bullet change any of that?[/quote]

I don't know, how would you react when you give someone a way out and in response they shoot you in the face?

[quote]Why does it raise it's voice and then return it to normal when the Reject Ending is chosen?[/quote]

I don't know? Does it really matter?

[quote]At first it says that a new solution is required and that the Crucible has changed him...but he can still shut it down whenever he wants?[/quote]

So?

[quote]Whats stopping Shepard or any of the numerous talented engineers and hackers from reactivating the Crucible on their own and taking a fifth option apart from Mass Suicide (Reject); Mass Betrayal (Destroy); Mass Slavery (Control) or Mass Molestation (Synthesis)?[/quote]

I don't know? How is this even a problem with the Catalyst?

[quote]If the Catalyst could easily shut down the Crucible whenever it wanted then why is it keeping the Destroy Option as valid as the others? Especially since it believes that the "solution" won't last.[/quote]

Because the crucible changed it. 

[quote]How come the Crucible can target reapers for control, but indiscriminately wipes out all synthetics with destroy?[/quote]

Smashing your computer with a hammer has a different effect than simpy uploading a new program.

The Destroy way destroys all thing Reaper, that includes the other Synthetics. Control is simply uploading a new catalyst. 

[quote]Supposedly all synthetic life is based on reaper-tech at this point and that's why they die when you pick Destroy, right? But...since all ME technology is based on the Mass Relays which were built by the reapers, how come the Victory Fleet's ships all work?[/quote]

Based on being the key word. It is likely the crucible focuses on Reaper code. 

[quote]The Collective Consciousness of all reapers just stands there and lets Shepard destroy them all?[/quote]

Yes, because the crucible changed it. I feel like I've said that a lot. 

[quote]How does it know that synthesis is going to solve the great problem? Saren was practically synthesized himself and he was still a ruthless bigoted war-mongerer.  Plus, organics have been killing each other since the beginning of time, synthesis will just give people more abilities with which to kill each other.[/quote]

Synthesis brings organics to the same level as their creations while also giving Synthetics an understanding of organics. The thought process being that Synthetics can no longer exterminate all organics due to no longer having a superior edge. That Catalyst was never concerned with organic vs organic. 

[quote]Shepard is supposed to be partially synthetic, but he can survive the Destroy option and the partial destruction of the Citadel? So why is shepard alive, but EDI dies?[/quote]

To give people hope that their Shepard is alive. There is no other reason. 

[quote]So are all of the geth dead or just the ones with bodies? What about the geth that had uploaded themselves into quarian suits to improve their immune systems? Are they still screwed or would they be considered part of the quarian suits?[/quote]

They are dead.

[quote]So in light of this list that could easily be longer, what is so important about the Star-Child that he has to stay in the Ending? What is that all-essential role that no one else can fill that has his name written all over it?[/quote]

In Destroy the Catalyst is dead, in Control the Catalyst is replaced and in Synthesis it no longer has any real purpose. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 17 juin 2013 - 06:46 .

[Xamufam]

Robosexual wrote...

Almost all of those rely on you believing the Catalyst has power over the Citadel.

The citadel is part of him

[CronoDragoon]

Troxa wrote...

The citadel is part of him

And your spleen is a part of you.

[Clayless]

Troxa wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Almost all of those rely on you believing the Catalyst has power over the Citadel.

The citadel is part of him

But we aren't shown him having power over it, that's just an assumption.

Almost all of the OP's questions rely on that assumption, a lot of them aren't even plot holes, and others are based on things that he seems to have made up in his head (like how did the Catalyst know Shepard would reach him alive, something that isn't even implied anywhere).

[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Troxa wrote...

The citadel is part of him

And your spleen is a part of you.

And the Magic Space Elevator is part of the Catalyst's spleen.

[Dubozz]

Lmao Eterna strikes with a wall of bs again.

[Tron Mega]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Why are threads like this being made, one year and three months after the release of the game?

Because the game still sucks. 

Seriously guy. Who r u trying to fool?