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[mass perfection]

 That would make Mass Effect 3 more fun and interesting.

Modifié par mass perfection, 17 juin 2013 - 09:29 .

[grey_wind]

While there's no way that could have reasonably been done with the time and resources BioWare had, I wish they had just kept Shepard as a neutral party in ME3, and allowed you to side (at least in terms of ideology) with either the Alliance or Cerberus.

Of course, such a thing would have also required Cerberus to have a more nuanced role where their stance on controlling the Reapers could actually be defendable as opposed to making them the second coming of the Sith Empire. But that part wouldn't be too hard.

[CptData]

Well, we also should have been able to refuse TIM's way to deal with the Collectors and go back to the Alliance

[The Night Mammoth]

How?

[Erez Kristal]

Mass effect 3 should have never jumped the plot six monthes ahead in time.
It was a very cheap trick which forced you to make too many stories of how you got there.

To top that, it was auto dialouge everywere making half the player base feel like their shepard was hijacked away from their hands
And when it wasnt autodialouge shepard kept on having a stick up his ass.
Lecturing james, victus and mordin
He turned into some malicious morale nanny who lost control.

Modifié par erezike, 17 juin 2013 - 10:13 .

[Kataphrut94]

No, the Alliance is more fitting as a primary ally for the third games' setting. Cerberus was appropriate for Mass Effect 2, but for a galactic war story, it makes sense that you'd go back to the navy. How is Cerberus supposed to meaningfully contribute when your goals are things like forging galactic alliances and liberating conquered territories?

Besides, of all the handles we've had throughout the series, you can't deny that Admiral Hackett was the most likeable of the bunch. After the ineffective condescending of the Council and the arrogant posturing of TIM, isn't it nice to have a Big Good who knows what he's doing and is devoted to a higher cause than politics?

[Erez Kristal]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

No, the Alliance is more fitting as a primary ally for the third games' setting. Cerberus was appropriate for Mass Effect 2, but for a galactic war story, it makes sense that you'd go back to the navy. How is Cerberus supposed to meaningfully contribute when your goals are things like forging galactic alliances and liberating conquered territories?

Besides, of all the handles we've had throughout the series, you can't deny that Admiral Hackett was the most likeable of the bunch. After the ineffective condescending of the Council and the arrogant posturing of TIM, isn't it nice to have a Big Good who knows what he's doing and is devoted to a higher cause than politics?

Haccket hands you over to the dogs after arrival.
He puts the blame on you and encourage your arrest.

In mass effect 1 he keeps trying to distract you from your mission. 

There was very little love between my shepard and haccket.
The only person in your crew which is an alliance member is james vega. the rest are pirates and free lancers.
officially, you can choose to not really be an alliance in mass effect 3.

[KaiserShep]

erezike wrote...
officially, you can choose to not really be an alliance in mass effect 3.

That doesn't stop old Hackett from taking the stage in your CIC to make his little speech. 

[wright1978]

Not sure we should have been able to join Cerberus at the start.However i think there should have been the option as there was in ME2(in regards Cerberus/TIM) to have a fractious relaltionship with the Alliance, rather than the game auto-dialoguing Shep back into the Alliance camp & making out that's all he/she ever wanted. Then later on there could have been the choice to pursue Cerberus solution to the reapers or the Alliance's.

[Kataphrut94]

erezike wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

No, the Alliance is more fitting as a primary ally for the third games' setting. Cerberus was appropriate for Mass Effect 2, but for a galactic war story, it makes sense that you'd go back to the navy. How is Cerberus supposed to meaningfully contribute when your goals are things like forging galactic alliances and liberating conquered territories?

Besides, of all the handles we've had throughout the series, you can't deny that Admiral Hackett was the most likeable of the bunch. After the ineffective condescending of the Council and the arrogant posturing of TIM, isn't it nice to have a Big Good who knows what he's doing and is devoted to a higher cause than politics?

Haccket hands you over to the dogs after arrival.
He puts the blame on you and encourage your arrest.

In mass effect 1 he keeps trying to distract you from your mission. 

There was very little love between my shepard and haccket.
The only person in your crew which is an alliance member is james vega. the rest are pirates and free lancers.
officially, you can choose to not really be an alliance in mass effect 3.

What on earth are you talking about? Every human member of your crew is Alliance, you cannot choose to not be Alliance, nobody is a pirate and Hackett's missions in Mass Effect 1 were all optional.

As for the whole Arrival thing, the fact that Hackett 'only' encouraged your arrest for committing destructive genocide shows just how trusting he is of you. The Council would have prosecuted you on the spot and The Illusive Man would have congragulated you for 'making the necessary sacrifice', something that is not ideal when it's coming from a blatant jingoist.

The circumstances of Arrival were hardly ideal, but you can't do something like that and not expect some form of reprisal for it. If the Alliance hadn't taken action against Shepard, it would have meant war with the batarians. The fact that Shepard seemed totally willing to accept the blame for it reinforces that point. As Anderson says at the start of Mass Effect 3, anyone else would have been dishounarbly discharged at minimum for what happened.

[Samtheman63]

cerberus are reaper slaves in me3 and you would spend the entire game sabotaging the war effort which would be stupid

[Erez Kristal]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

erezike wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

No, the Alliance is more fitting as a primary ally for the third games' setting. Cerberus was appropriate for Mass Effect 2, but for a galactic war story, it makes sense that you'd go back to the navy. How is Cerberus supposed to meaningfully contribute when your goals are things like forging galactic alliances and liberating conquered territories?

Besides, of all the handles we've had throughout the series, you can't deny that Admiral Hackett was the most likeable of the bunch. After the ineffective condescending of the Council and the arrogant posturing of TIM, isn't it nice to have a Big Good who knows what he's doing and is devoted to a higher cause than politics?

Haccket hands you over to the dogs after arrival.
He puts the blame on you and encourage your arrest.

In mass effect 1 he keeps trying to distract you from your mission. 

There was very little love between my shepard and haccket.
The only person in your crew which is an alliance member is james vega. the rest are pirates and free lancers.
officially, you can choose to not really be an alliance in mass effect 3.

What on earth are you talking about? Every human member of your crew is Alliance, you cannot choose to not be Alliance, nobody is a pirate and Hackett's missions in Mass Effect 1 were all optional.

As for the whole Arrival thing, the fact that Hackett 'only' encouraged your arrest for committing destructive genocide shows just how trusting he is of you. The Council would have prosecuted you on the spot and The Illusive Man would have congragulated you for 'making the necessary sacrifice', something that is not ideal when it's coming from a blatant jingoist.

The circumstances of Arrival were hardly ideal, but you can't do something like that and not expect some form of reprisal for it. If the Alliance hadn't taken action against Shepard, it would have meant war with the batarians. The fact that Shepard seemed totally willing to accept the blame for it reinforces that point. As Anderson says at the start of Mass Effect 3, anyone else would have been dishounarbly discharged at minimum for what happened.

So a crew of alliance special operations works in a batarian system for monthes researching a reaper artifcat and planning to destroy the relay and you think haccket knows nothing about it?

Save my friend... he wanted you to take the blame for it because you worked for cerberus. it was the best way for him to stay clean.
Prosecuted shepard for what? what evidence did they have? it was outside their jurisdiction to even judge shepard for their actions. 

My shepard would have found another way to settle the dispute with the batarians, it is hard to believe the holding the man the alliance think is responsible was enough to sedate the batarians. it most likely a few good systems would have kept the batarians at bay, and since the collectors have managed to abducted some colonies under the alliance care, the alliance had a few colonies spare..

[Arcian]

Cerberus shouldn't have existed in the first place.

[Erez Kristal]

Arcian wrote...

Cerberus shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Adding them up did complicate things. in mass effect 3 their sith empire was a very bad idea. 
We were supposed to be fighting the reapers but most of what were fighting was cerberus. really annoying.

[AlexMBrennan]

Meh. The whole lot of them, from crewman Hawthorne to space!Bin Laden should have been tried and executed, but given how in love Bioware is with ME2's space!Al-Qaeda it's hardly surprising to find terrorist apologists here.
Me3 is fine, it was me2 which lacked an interrupt to execute Miranda in the tutorial.

[conjmk]

LMFAO, you're dreaming if you think Bioware would make 2 totally different games.

[IanPolaris]

erezike wrote...

So a crew of alliance special operations works in a batarian system for monthes researching a reaper artifcat and planning to destroy the relay and you think haccket knows nothing about it?

Save my friend... he wanted you to take the blame for it because you worked for cerberus. it was the best way for him to stay clean.
Prosecuted shepard for what? what evidence did they have? it was outside their jurisdiction to even judge shepard for their actions. 

My shepard would have found another way to settle the dispute with the batarians, it is hard to believe the holding the man the alliance think is responsible was enough to sedate the batarians. it most likely a few good systems would have kept the batarians at bay, and since the collectors have managed to abducted some colonies under the alliance care, the alliance had a few colonies spare..

For that matter he could have forwarded the account to the Council and since Batarian space is part of the Terminus systems, he can even say he was honoring his deal.  Ask the council if they really want the Alliance hauling in THEIR spectres over trumped up charges for classified operations outside of Alliance and council space?  You should have the Salarian vote instantly.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

conjmk wrote...

LMFAO, you're dreaming if you think Bioware would make 2 totally different games.

I don't see why it couldn't have been handled similiarly to how Witcher 2 did it.  You could even use most of the same materials and almost all of the same props.

-Polaris

[Karlone123]

It could have been an interesting dark path, you're having to kill former friends and allies. Having an emotional stanoff with someone like Garrus where it is just you and him fighting each other in a game of cat and mouse using sniper rifles in an abandoned building.

How I would imagine it to be it would be Shepard replacing Kai Lang as the Illusive man's second in command, you infiltrate alien and Alliance bases. You would join Cerberus on Mars leaving with the Cerberus synthetic, whoever the Virmire suvivor is or Liara takes on Shepard's place of attempting of uniting the galaxy. None of your former squad mates will join you leaving a sense of loneliness. Shepard can take on a human-centric personality. Missions centre around the Alliance efforts of unifying the alien races and you have to sabotage thier efforts. You have run ins with your former crew being called a traitor and such resulting in a fight that can end in a squad mate's death or escape.

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

conjmk wrote...

LMFAO, you're dreaming if you think Bioware would make 2 totally different games.

Wont be two different games it can be the same game just your Shepard choose which side they want

Same game more choices

Mass Effect 3 was about bringing the galaxy together to fight the reapers Shepard would talk to TIM and Hackett after missions instead of just hackett (anderson will have his time with Shepard as in the game) Tim would try to convince Shepard as the game goes on how control is power and what not while Hackett will try to convince Shepard other wise by the end Shepard (you) can make your choice. Which one is good depends on you but instead we have Cerberus Sith empire and if you choose control your a hypocrite 

The only downside to this is the lack of enemies -.- but creativity is a beatiful thing if you think long enough I mean look up reaper Pyjak or Reaper Varren 

[conjmk]

IMNOTCRAZYiminsane wrote...

conjmk wrote...

LMFAO, you're dreaming if you think Bioware would make 2 totally different games.

Wont be two different games it can be the same game just your Shepard choose which side they want

Same game more choices

Mass Effect 3 was about bringing the galaxy together to fight the reapers Shepard would talk to TIM and Hackett after missions instead of just hackett (anderson will have his time with Shepard as in the game) Tim would try to convince Shepard as the game goes on how control is power and what not while Hackett will try to convince Shepard other wise by the end Shepard (you) can make your choice. Which one is good depends on you but instead we have Cerberus Sith empire and if you choose control your a hypocrite 

The only downside to this is the lack of enemies -.- but creativity is a beatiful thing if you think long enough I mean look up reaper Pyjak or Reaper Varren 

It would call for a completely different plot, I don't think you realize how many changes would actually have to be made for it to make any sense to be working for Cerberus. 

Modifié par conjmk, 17 juin 2013 - 02:44 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

As much as I like Cerberus, in ME3, it really doesn't make sense to join them seeing as they're indoctrinated. Everything they do has the ulterior motive of hampering the war effort on the Reapers behalf.

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

Karlone123 wrote...

It could have been an interesting dark path, you're having to kill former friends and allies. Having an emotional stanoff with someone like Garrus where it is just you and him fighting each other in a game of cat and mouse using sniper rifles in an abandoned building.

How I would imagine it to be it would be Shepard replacing Kai Lang as the Illusive man's second in command, you infiltrate alien and Alliance bases. You would join Cerberus on Mars leaving with the Cerberus synthetic, whoever the Virmire suvivor is or Liara takes on Shepard's place of attempting of uniting the galaxy. None of your former squad mates will join you leaving a sense of loneliness. Shepard can take on a human-centric personality. Missions centre around the Alliance efforts of unifying the alien races and you have to sabotage thier efforts. You have run ins with your former crew being called a traitor and such resulting in a fight that can end in a squad mate's death or escape.

Thats two different games there is no need for that unless they have the devolpment time of DAO which they didn't plus why would a player not want to unite the galaxy as, your example of Cerberus Shepard? Why would people want to play like Kai leng? That would make bioware put extra money and time into something people would not play. This is just making Cerberus look like they are evil people to the max; not that they are not in some way (everyone is evil) but when it comes to the Reapers why would they, Cerberus, Sabotage their, Alliance, efforts when they could use them? your former crew was with you in ME2 why would they leave you now? The whole standoff with Garrus? he's your most loyal Crewmember. 

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

conjmk wrote...

IMNOTCRAZYiminsane wrote...

conjmk wrote...

LMFAO, you're dreaming if you think Bioware would make 2 totally different games.

Wont be two different games it can be the same game just your Shepard choose which side they want

Same game more choices

Mass Effect 3 was about bringing the galaxy together to fight the reapers Shepard would talk to TIM and Hackett after missions instead of just hackett (anderson will have his time with Shepard as in the game) Tim would try to convince Shepard as the game goes on how control is power and what not while Hackett will try to convince Shepard other wise by the end Shepard (you) can make your choice. Which one is good depends on you but instead we have Cerberus Sith empire and if you choose control your a hypocrite 

The only downside to this is the lack of enemies -.- but creativity is a beatiful thing if you think long enough I mean look up reaper Pyjak or Reaper Varren 

It would call for a completely different plot, I don't think you realize how many changes would actually have to be made for it to make any sense to be working for Cerberus. 

I guess your right in the terms of the mass effect we have Mass effect 3 has Cerberus Sabotaging and they are indoctrinated so yeah in terms of the Mass effect 3 we have now that would be very different^_^