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[KaiserShep]

Technically, an alternate story line of ME3 that allows you to align yourself with Cerberus would not necessarily rule Cerberus out. There's still plenty of room for disparate groups to go at it. Like if one division of Cerberus's research team became indoctrinated and went off the grid, they could still be a problem, especially if they also happen to be well organized. Also, there were lots of other indoctrinated agents working against you that you never see, like the Salarian mole on Sur'Kesh that leaked word to Cerberus, or the human that accompanied the Hanar diplomat that was going to upload the virus to disable Kajhe's automated defense system. You could've gone through the complete gamut of indoctrinated baddies.

If anything, TIM should not have been indoctrinated at all, or at least not so quickly. He was supposed to be smarter than that. I guess you could argue that his ambition got the better of his judgment, but that's not the kind of character I saw in ME2. Someone like him would've avoided direct contact with reaper technology and ensure that his most valuable agents made sure to take the necessary precautions too, but instead they just recklessly dive into projects that subject numerous scientists and soldiers to prolonged exposure, making them all serious liabilities. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 juin 2013 - 03:02 .

[jtav]

What I'd have done is this:

The Alliance military is decimated in the first attack and Feron and another SB agent free Shepard. Shepard and the Normandy work for the SB. Cerberus is not indoctrinated but they are doing very dark experiments. At some point you have an arc where you have to side with the Alliance or Cerberus (maybe acquiring some Reaper tech). You fight whoever you don't side with. The Alliance is honorable but gives you fewer assets; Cerberus gives more assets but is darker.

[Dubozz]

I wish they did this.

Point of no return - Thessia, Illusive man may convince you that if you'll use crucible relays will be destroyed as well (i.e dark age, millions of victims) instead he tells you that he found another way (no more "illusive man indoctrinated bs") to defeat the reapers and preserve humanity's superiority for millenias.

Next set of mission in this case:
1. Infiltration of the Crucibe (to alter it somehow. (instead of Horizon) (verbal confrontation with Hakket in the end)
2. Getting into the Citadel while Reapers are abducting it. (cos someone told the reapers bout the catalyst (preferably Kai Lame) (instead of Cronos station)
3. Opening the Citadel Wards (final mission instead of Priority Earth).

In the end: No starbrat bs, no synthesis. Just destroy/control(you or illusive man)
More details, more choices (from previous games), Suicide mission 2.0. War assets in action defends the Crucible. etc etc.

[agentN7]

I understand why you would want that option, but there are only so many variable you can have, and i imagine that one would be just too significant to apply properly without taking away from other aspects of the game.

Modifié par agentN7, 17 juin 2013 - 03:20 .

[conjmk]

IMNOTCRAZYiminsane wrote...

conjmk wrote...

IMNOTCRAZYiminsane wrote...

conjmk wrote...

LMFAO, you're dreaming if you think Bioware would make 2 totally different games.

Wont be two different games it can be the same game just your Shepard choose which side they want

Same game more choices

Mass Effect 3 was about bringing the galaxy together to fight the reapers Shepard would talk to TIM and Hackett after missions instead of just hackett (anderson will have his time with Shepard as in the game) Tim would try to convince Shepard as the game goes on how control is power and what not while Hackett will try to convince Shepard other wise by the end Shepard (you) can make your choice. Which one is good depends on you but instead we have Cerberus Sith empire and if you choose control your a hypocrite 

The only downside to this is the lack of enemies -.- but creativity is a beatiful thing if you think long enough I mean look up reaper Pyjak or Reaper Varren 

It would call for a completely different plot, I don't think you realize how many changes would actually have to be made for it to make any sense to be working for Cerberus. 

I guess your right in the terms of the mass effect we have Mass effect 3 has Cerberus Sabotaging and they are indoctrinated so yeah in terms of the Mass effect 3 we have now that would be very different^_^

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have that choice, but it just isn't realistic.

[Erez Kristal]

The biggest problem was there werent enough fleshy decisions that could come and bite you later on in the game. it was all melt down to war assests.

Cerberus or alliance arch mid game, witcher 2-1 style could have had a lot of meaning.

[Metallica93]

I honestly thought that after ME2's ending you were either with the Alliance or Cerberus depending on what you did with the Collector base and a few other factors.

I played as a Paragon, but I guess you end up with the Alliance no matter what?

[spirosz]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

How?

That's the best way to answer this.  @OP - do you want to give Bioware another million dollars in budget for VA/Animation/All that Jazz? 

[Samtheman63]

slightly off topic i know but

whats your avatar of spirosz?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Then there was telling Hackett "I'm busy" for Arrival. You had that option. You could import without doing Arrival. You lost the 105th Marine Division war asset if you did. Shepard still got thrown in lock up, stripped of rank, and none of that made any sense, then. You didn't blow up any Batarian colony. You turned over a 4 trillion credit state of the art Frigate to the Alliance, saved some human colonies on the borders of the Terminus that the Alliance couldn't be bothered with, and you got punished for it. The Council wouldn't have punished you for what you did.

But I don't think you'd even want to join Cerberus. Here's why:

* They are Derperus.
* They were too cheap to put a medigel dispenser in the Normandy SR2. This is enough right here. This makes me wonder if they even supplied toilet paper.
* They were too cheap to put an adequate supply of heavy weapons ammo in the SR2.
* They gave you idiotic missions - why not blow up the Collector ship when it was a sitting duck on Horizon? You had the Thanix. You had the hull armor. Land and fight them. Get the defense towers on line and hope they blow up the ship. Really?
* They send you into traps - the Collector ship. Why not blow up the damned thing? Why board it? Can you spell stupid? Can you figure out that a scout ship couldn't possibly take out a Collector cruiser?
* And none of the data you ever gather is nothing The Illusive Man didn't already know. It only further confirms data. Really? You want to join this organization?
* Sure they brought you back to life. That's great. You've got a second chance, but it doesn't mean there's a ton of strings attached.
* Okay so maybe Hackett and Anderson work for them. It sure seems like it since neither of them ordered you back to duty.
* And they'd make a husk out of you for ME3. Sounds nice. Oh I'm sorry. You'd be "improved."

No. I can't see any reason why you'd want to join Derperus.

[Metallica93]

Samtheman63 wrote...
slightly off topic i know but

whats your avatar of spirosz?

Saw it, as well, and looks like "The Last Of Us." Either way, it just reminded me to go bug my buddy who has a PS3 because I NEED to play it O_O

[remydat]

Might as well say we should have been able to join the Reapers.

[IanPolaris]

remydat wrote...

Might as well say we should have been able to join the Reapers.

That's the point.  It didn't have to be that way.  What Bioware did to Cerberus from ME2 to ME3 stretches willing suspension of disbelief almost to the breaking point.....

-Polaris

[KaiserShep]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Then there was telling Hackett "I'm busy" for Arrival. You had that option. You could import without doing Arrival. You lost the 105th Marine Division war asset if you did. Shepard still got thrown in lock up, stripped of rank, and none of that made any sense, then. You didn't blow up any Batarian colony. You turned over a 4 trillion credit state of the art Frigate to the Alliance, saved some human colonies on the borders of the Terminus that the Alliance couldn't be bothered with, and you got punished for it. The Council wouldn't have punished you for what you did.

This is what I don't get. If you didn't do LotSB, Liara basically raids his base without you, so your character is not written to have somehow participated off screen, but even if you don't do the Arrival DLC, Anderson proceeds to tell you "The sh*t you've done blah blah blah". What is he talking about? You mean saving the galaxy, TWICE? Shep has more than the right to be pretty indignant and vocal about it at this point, because all Shepard did was haul ass between the stars and blow up evil monsters, while being pulled every which way by either Cerberus or the Alliance. 

[remydat]

IanPolaris wrote...

That's the point.  It didn't have to be that way.  What Bioware did to Cerberus from ME2 to ME3 stretches willing suspension of disbelief almost to the breaking point.....

-Polaris

Not really.  TIM was indoctrinated. Pretty easy to understand why Cerberus went nuts.  Not sure why people feel TIM should have been exempt from it.

Modifié par remydat, 17 juin 2013 - 09:07 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

StreetMagic wrote...

CptData wrote...

Well, we also should have been able to refuse TIM's way to deal with the Collectors and go back to the Alliance

That doesn't solve much either. The Alliance were being wankers, sending you off to fight Geth and denying that Reapers even existed, just like the Council. Then after ME2, they imprison you for the Arrival story.

It seems like the Alliance has only minimal control over what Shepard does as a Spectre, though, and you can get Shepard reinstated unless you picked Udina and the original council died. You can even tell Admiral Mikhailovich that you don't answer to the Alliance any more and that he's not allowed to inspect the Normandy in ME1. Once Shepard is reinstated as a Spectre, is Cerberus really necessary for the rest of ME2?

[KaiserShep]

remydat wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

That's the point.  It didn't have to be that way.  What Bioware did to Cerberus from ME2 to ME3 stretches willing suspension of disbelief almost to the breaking point.....

-Polaris

Not really.  TIM was indoctrinated. Pretty easy to understand why Cerberus went nuts.  Not sure why people feel TIM should have been exempt from it.

The real problem is the lack of transition. From ME2 to 3, The Illusive Man takes a complete turn for the worst with no illustration of how it happened in between, so even if you give him exactly what he wanted, it just turns out that he was using you to screw you over, or indoctrinated, which is no better. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 juin 2013 - 09:27 .

[remydat]

Yeah but that is still because he is indoctrinated.

[KaiserShep]

The only thing that mitigates this abruptness is the footage you see in the Cerberus base. To its credit, it does give you some insight about his descent into madness.

StreetMagic wrote...

The only thing saving the Collector base truly accomplishes is make you directly responsible for TIM's indoctrination (I'm assuming the Reaper is what did it to them?). If you destroy, at least it's his own fault.

I know it matters in a small way for EMS, but relatively little.

 

Fair point. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 juin 2013 - 09:29 .

[Jukaga]

KaiserShep wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Then there was telling Hackett "I'm busy" for Arrival. You had that option. You could import without doing Arrival. You lost the 105th Marine Division war asset if you did. Shepard still got thrown in lock up, stripped of rank, and none of that made any sense, then. You didn't blow up any Batarian colony. You turned over a 4 trillion credit state of the art Frigate to the Alliance, saved some human colonies on the borders of the Terminus that the Alliance couldn't be bothered with, and you got punished for it. The Council wouldn't have punished you for what you did.

This is what I don't get. If you didn't do LotSB, Liara basically raids his base without you, so your character is not written to have somehow participated off screen, but even if you don't do the Arrival DLC, Anderson proceeds to tell you "The sh*t you've done blah blah blah". What is he talking about? You mean saving the galaxy, TWICE? Shep has more than the right to be pretty indignant and vocal about it at this point, because all Shepard did was haul ass between the stars and blow up evil monsters, while being pulled every which way by either Cerberus or the Alliance. 

We definitely needed some 'Hey, I'm sick to death of this BS Anderson!' moments. 'The reapers have been here since I blew up the relay and you've done dick all other than lock me up for fear or a war with a third rate power like the Batarians?'

Before they confirmed the end of the DLC cycle with Citadel I was really holding out hope that they would do a 'Trial' prologue DLC. Let's see Shep's surrender, the meeting with Vega, Alliance MI post-collector debriefing, maybe an interview or two and the acutal trial. It'd be nice to be able to tell the Alliance to pull their heads out of their butts because the Reapers are in the galaxy at this very moment and you are doing nothing!

[KaiserShep]

I have no doubt that Shepard's responses to all of this would not reflect half of the outrage that a normal person would.