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[Seboist]

In Exile wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Cerberus shouldn't have existed in the first place.

It made no sense why Bio introduced them in ME2 at all, other than presumably because the shake-up of the writing team led them to want a different direction. 

They were a means to make the story "dark and edgy". They're on record as saying ME2 is supposed to be the "dark middle chapter" of the trilogy and how Hudson wanted "us" to "work with the enemy".

Of course, how a game where the PC is killed and revived within the first five minutes to work for some goofball "secret" organization that slaps it's logo on everything to fight mindless bug drones and sesame street mercs that are more black and white than Saren and the Geth, solve a bunch of inane daddy issues for costumed superheroes that have nothing to do with anything, get Zaeed loyalty after ruining 20 years of his life and doing a "suicide" mission where nobody dies is supposed to be "dark" is beyond me.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

No, it wouldn't.

.  Its A-grade anti-hero opportunity

[David7204]

I'm curious. Do you get these little phrases of yours from somewhere? I see them again and again. 'Seseme steet mercs' 'Insane daddy issues.' 'Costumed superheroes.' Since it's clear that's what you're basing yourself on, you ought to change them up a bit more.

[David7204]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No, it wouldn't.

.  Its A-grade anti-hero opportunity

No, it isn't, for a multitude of reasons. And I don't think 'anti-hero' means what you think it means.

[Steelcan]

@Seboist,

Im a pretty big fan of ME2 and even Ill admit that calling it "dark" is horrifically inaccurate. ME3 is the "dark" chapter through forced emotion and character railroading

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No, it wouldn't.

.  Its A-grade anti-hero opportunity

No, it isn't, for a multitude of reasons. And I don't think 'anti-hero' means what you think it means.

.  A protagonist working for a "good" gial, ie saving humanity through unsavory means, ie working with a terrorist organization.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious. Do you get these little phrases of yours from somewhere? I see them again and again. 'Seseme steet mercs' 'Insane daddy issues.' 'Costumed superheroes.' Since it's clear that's what you're basing yourself on, you ought to change them up a bit more.

David I sometimes worry about you

[Seboist]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious. Do you get these little phrases of yours from somewhere? I see them again and again. 'Seseme steet mercs' 'Insane daddy issues.' 'Costumed superheroes.' Since it's clear that's what you're basing yourself on, you ought to change them up a bit more.

There's plenty more where that came from.

I still get a chuckle over "giant baby arnold" and "space terminator" to describe the lame boss from the CB.

[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious. Do you get these little phrases of yours from somewhere? I see them again and again. 'Seseme steet mercs' 'Insane daddy issues.' 'Costumed superheroes.' Since it's clear that's what you're basing yourself on, you ought to change them up a bit more.

You spelled "seseme" wrong, and I believe it's "inane" not "insane". Just sayin', homes.

[dreamgazer]

 I really want a sesame bagel right about now.

[KaiserShep]

Kinda funny how the "dark middle chapter" ended up being the most lighthearted of the bunch.

[Dextro Milk]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious. Do you get these little phrases of yours from somewhere? I see them again and again. 'Seseme steet mercs' 'Insane daddy issues.' 'Costumed superheroes.' Since it's clear that's what you're basing yourself on, you ought to change them up a bit more.

David I sometimes worry about you

[TheMyron]

Joining Cerberus Poll: http://social.biowar...21/polls/45908/

Modifié par TheMyron, 18 juin 2013 - 03:58 .

[thehomeworld]

CptData wrote...

Well, we also should have been able to refuse TIM's way to deal with the Collectors and go back to the Alliance

This there was no reason other then contrivences why the Alliance didn't care and wouldn't to scrap to help their own. They should've just done what TW2 did if you stay with TIM you go the way we did if you say FU TIM the hell I can't go to the Alliance and the Council then you go the other pathway but I guess it would've been needing 2 disks or even 4 disks one for the Alliance campeign version and the other for Cerberus not to mention brining back select actors like Hackett, Anderson, and the council for banner specific content we could still go to the same areas just for goals that align with each side and or get unique ones only available through that side. We'd still get the IFF the only differance is TIM goes the way he did and Alliance sends us to a geth outpost then we trail Legion to the downed ship and or take the ship out ourselves with our cannon and then board it find the IFF and Tali and Mordin but their minds together on it and say hey we can use this go get through the O4 relay!

We would also gain or lose some crew like Jack makes sense to join the Alliance due to Cerberus hurting her even though I still feel having an insane biotic on the team when I've got a galaxy of qualified sane ones to cherry pick from is debatable she could still be placed in story. Zaeed could be for money but Kasumi wouldn't be due to her background with the Allaiance. In this case Zaeed and Kasumi aren't dlc characters they're ingame optional characters to gather.

But as you can see this would've required work the Alliance would give you missoins that actually got results in figuring out what the reapers next moves would be for 3 and what type of technology they had, their forces, and weaknesses all while trying to push back their collector mooks and the Cerberus campeign would still be lolly gagging around for the sake of increasing TIMs toy collection.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 18 juin 2013 - 09:27 .

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

If mass effect sticked to Alliance i'll be ok with it but we didn't and i got to understand Cerberus playing the entire 3 games i wanted this option

ME=Alliance
ME2=Cerberus
ME3=Both

That way we get to taste both side of the cake and choose which side to continue to eat

[dewayne31]

For those believe hacket ask sheperd to do the job cause he was with ceberaus at the time how do you explain, him telling sheperd he do what he could to delay's sheperds court martial?

[Kataphrut94]

Leaving aside the multitude of reasons why you shouldn't join Cerberus, my question is why would you want to? What do they have to offer that the Alliance don't? And don't bring up that 'cutting through the red-tape' bullcrap; that was a tell-don't-show contrivance in the first two games and would make even less sense in the third.

[jtav]

Ideology. If you happened to agree with what Miranda said in 2, it makes sense for you to want to align yourself with that faction. I don't believe that there's technology we should stay away from for our own good. I think controlling and harnessing Reaper power is a fantastic thing if it can be done. I view the Council as a corrupt oligarchy that keeps other races down. I'd like to see it gone. So I fit (and play my Shepards to fit) a certain interpretation of the Cerberus mindset.

[AlexMBrennan]

I don't believe that there's technology we should stay away from for our own good

Right, because dabbling in Reaper technology never caused anything bad to happen. Further, no Cerberus project has ever failed, so it follows that a Cerberus project to control the Reapers must be a guaranteed success.

I view the Council as a corrupt oligarchy that keeps other races down. I'd like to see it gone.

Yeah, removing a "corrupt" government by military force always works. Besides, don't you think that there might be better time to deal with this issue than in the middle of a reaper invasion?

Are you sure you don't just agree with Miranda to get to see more of those glorious ass shots?

[jtav]

Considering I'm a straight female, I think I can safely say Miranda's physical appearance has minimal impact on me.

Reaper technology is just that: technology. If you want "things man is not meant to know" read a fantasy novel. We can learn how the Reapers do what they do and we can repurpose it for our own ends. As Cerberus seems to be the dominant holder of this ideology, I'd very much like to see and join a splinter group that isn't ME3 Cerberus. More Lazarus, less Sanctuary.

I see no inherent problem with taking out the Council, anymore than with killing off the geth/quarians or curing the genophage. It's the end of the story, the time for dramatic shakeups in the status quo is upon us. As long as the little green bar gets filled, well, the world is mine to order as I see fit.

[Steelcan]

The Alliance is inefficient, ineffective, and more intolerant than Cerberus (a pro-human terrorist group) the Council is even worse.

[Metallica93]

You guys are

The whole point of destroying the Collector base, no matter how else you played the "Mass Effect" trilogy, was that it was too much for us to handle in every way possible. And by "us" I mean "humanity," not just Cerberus or the Alliance. That whole scene with Shepard and the Illusive Man tugged at the very fabric of the human condition.

We like control. We favor control and order over chaos and uncertainty. However, control can also act as an illusion. Such is the case with Collector and Reaper technology. Look what happened to the workers on the derelict Reaper. They thought they were in control, gleaning all they could about their enemy, when in fact the enemy was controlling them from the start.

For a more recent example, Bruce Wayne felt that the world "wasn't ready" for his fusion reactor in "The Dark Knight Rises." There were those that would rather use it as a weapon than a power source hence his apprehension to go public with it.

As a fan of science fiction and this game I've learned that humanity does need to pull back the reigns on itself from time to time. We're young, ignorant, and like to base action on emotion.

Plus, how soon after finding the Prothean observation outpost on Mars and element zero did we start creating weapons?