Except I didn't destroy the base.I gave it to Cerberus. The only way we're ever going to become ready for this technology is by using it. Nuclear weapons are incredibly dangerous, and it would be better if they were all gone. But that same technology eventually gave rise to nuclear reactors. Reaper technology is not actually magic. Indoctrination can be guarded against (Levitathan). We have to stop treating the stuff like it's some tainted evil artifact from a Tolkein ripoff.
We should have been able to join Cerberus.
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#102
Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:01
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That's not exactly true. There were plenty of people interested in nuclear power long before nuclear weapons came along. I would say they were more or less parallel.
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I facepalmed pretty hard when Leviathan revealed that there was anti-indoctrination shielding, because it made all the people who got indoctrinated screwing with Reaper tech over the series look even dumber than they already did.jtav wrote...
Reaper technology is not actually magic. Indoctrination can be guarded against (Levitathan).
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:11
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It depended on the Shepard. My pragmatic Shepards gave the base to Cerberus. My idealists destroyed the base. I would have given him the base - "now use it to fight the reapers."
And we've got to stop writing these characters like cardboard cutouts.
And we've got to stop writing these characters like cardboard cutouts.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:12
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It should be pretty obvious that the orbs do not work on the same principle that normal indoctrination does.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:13
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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
It depended on the Shepard. My pragmatic Shepards gave the base to Cerberus. My idealists destroyed the base. I would have given him the base - "now use it to fight the reapers."
And we've got to stop writing these characters like cardboard cutouts.
How exactly is that "writing these characters like cardboard cutouts," again?
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:13
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Cthulhu42 wrote...
I facepalmed pretty hard when Leviathan revealed that there was anti-indoctrination shielding, because it made all the people who got indoctrinated screwing with Reaper tech over the series look even dumber than they already did.jtav wrote...
Reaper technology is not actually magic. Indoctrination can be guarded against (Levitathan).
And if you looked at the codex and then looked at the actual physics of the stuff you'd facepalm even more. You'd have to be a bloody moron to get indoctrinated.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:15
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jtav wrote...
Except I didn't destroy the base.I gave it to Cerberus. The only way we're ever going to become ready for this technology is by using it. Nuclear weapons are incredibly dangerous, and it would be better if they were all gone. But that same technology eventually gave rise to nuclear reactors. Reaper technology is not actually magic. Indoctrination can be guarded against (Levitathan). We have to stop treating the stuff like it's some tainted evil artifact from a Tolkein ripoff.
Nuclear energy might be effective, but is nevertheless extremely risky(Chernobyl, Fukushima, Chalk River, Harrisburg, Kyshtym etc). The same goes for reaper tech. The question is, are the rewards worth the extreme risks?
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:15
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David, think. The Illusive Man being almost believable in ME2 to being unbelievable in ME3. Don't even get me going on Kai Leng.David7204 wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
It depended on the Shepard. My pragmatic Shepards gave the base to Cerberus. My idealists destroyed the base. I would have given him the base - "now use it to fight the reapers."
And we've got to stop writing these characters like cardboard cutouts.
How exactly is that "writing these characters like cardboard cutouts," again?
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:16
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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Cthulhu42 wrote...
I facepalmed pretty hard when Leviathan revealed that there was anti-indoctrination shielding, because it made all the people who got indoctrinated screwing with Reaper tech over the series look even dumber than they already did.jtav wrote...
Reaper technology is not actually magic. Indoctrination can be guarded against (Levitathan).
And if you looked at the codex and then looked at the actual physics of the stuff you'd facepalm even more. You'd have to be a bloody moron to get indoctrinated.
Oh boy. A physics discussion on the BSN. I can't wait to hear this.
What 'actual physics' are you talking about, exactly?
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:16
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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
David, think. The Illusive Man being almost believable in ME2 to being unbelievable in ME3. Don't even get me going on Deception/ME3 Kai Leng.David7204 wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
It depended on the Shepard. My pragmatic Shepards gave the base to Cerberus. My idealists destroyed the base. I would have given him the base - "now use it to fight the reapers."
And we've got to stop writing these characters like cardboard cutouts.
How exactly is that "writing these characters like cardboard cutouts," again?
Fixed that
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:17
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[quote]sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
[/quote]David, think. The Illusive Man being almost believable in ME2 to being unbelievable in ME3. Don't even get me going on Kai Leng.
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According to you, the Illusive Man is such a poorly written character in ME 2 that he's "almost believeable"? Why don't you elaborate a little on that for me?
[/quote]David, think. The Illusive Man being almost believable in ME2 to being unbelievable in ME3. Don't even get me going on Kai Leng.
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According to you, the Illusive Man is such a poorly written character in ME 2 that he's "almost believeable"? Why don't you elaborate a little on that for me?
#113
Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:19
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David7204 wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Cthulhu42 wrote...
I facepalmed pretty hard when Leviathan revealed that there was anti-indoctrination shielding, because it made all the people who got indoctrinated screwing with Reaper tech over the series look even dumber than they already did.jtav wrote...
Reaper technology is not actually magic. Indoctrination can be guarded against (Levitathan).
And if you looked at the codex and then looked at the actual physics of the stuff you'd facepalm even more. You'd have to be a bloody moron to get indoctrinated.
Oh boy. A physics discussion on the BSN. I can't wait to hear this.
What 'actual physics' are you talking about, exactly?
Look at the codex and tell me it makes sense. Of course you will and then I'll tell you about infrasonics since audio engineering is part of what I do, and I also know about low frequencies and what they do to structures.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:19
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Indoctrination was never anything other than a mook generator, insta-villain-o-matic/license to kill(ex TIM and Udina) and a means to railroad the plot at the expense of player choice (see Derperus and Geth in ME3).
Was always a mediocre plot element.
Was always a mediocre plot element.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:21
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Look at the codex and tell me it makes sense. Of course you will and then I'll tell you about seismology.
If you're going to make accusations, "look at the codex" is not an argument. It's just lazy garbage. I'm not going to do your thinking for you. If there's a problem, you post the text and question and you point out the supposed problem with it.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:21
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Then dream on. I've got stuff to do.David7204 wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Look at the codex and tell me it makes sense. Of course you will and then I'll tell you about seismology.
If you're going to make accusations, "look at the codex" is not an argument. It's just lazy garbage. I'm not going to do your thinking for you. If there's a problem, you post the text and question and you point out the supposed problem with it.
#118
Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:22
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Pyschological warfare could have been potentionally interesting, though unfortunatly, it would have been most likeley to complex and the CoD crowd would rather upset for nothing shot anything in 15 minutes.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:23
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Really? Is that why you're here giving me this nonsense? Because "you've got stuff to do"?
Convenient for you, isn't it? You're have plenty of time to make your little accusations but you're far too busy to actually explain them.
Convenient for you, isn't it? You're have plenty of time to make your little accusations but you're far too busy to actually explain them.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:23
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David7204 wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Look at the codex and tell me it makes sense. Of course you will and then I'll tell you about seismology.
If you're going to make accusations, "look at the codex" is not an argument. It's just lazy garbage. I'm not going to do your thinking for you. If there's a problem, you post the text and question and you point out the supposed problem with it.
Sounds like your the one being lazy for not looking yourself
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:25
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David7204 wrote...
Oh boy. A physics discussion on the BSN. I can't wait to hear this.
What 'actual physics' are you talking about, exactly?
Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:27
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AresKeith wrote...
David7204 wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Look at the codex and tell me it makes sense. Of course you will and then I'll tell you about seismology.
If you're going to make accusations, "look at the codex" is not an argument. It's just lazy garbage. I'm not going to do your thinking for you. If there's a problem, you post the text and question and you point out the supposed problem with it.
Sounds like your the one being lazy for not looking yourself
He just doesn't want to be proven wrong.
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:27
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Okay. We're getting somewhere now, aren't we? What's the problem with that?
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Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:28
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Ravensword wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
David7204 wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Look at the codex and tell me it makes sense. Of course you will and then I'll tell you about seismology.
If you're going to make accusations, "look at the codex" is not an argument. It's just lazy garbage. I'm not going to do your thinking for you. If there's a problem, you post the text and question and you point out the supposed problem with it.
Sounds like your the one being lazy for not looking yourself
He just doesn't want to be proven wrong.
Which unfortunately for him happens all the time(lol @the CB/black hole discussion).
#125
Posté 19 juin 2013 - 10:30
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Yes.
The change could have been largely cosmetic, instead of Admiral Hackett being your handler it would be TIM. Certain missions would be handled differently as would your relationships with certain companions.
I still expect he'd betray you, but he would do more intelligently than in ME3. Instead of unleashing Cerberus legions across the galaxy at the beginning of the game, he'd do something like have his commandos board the crucible to implement control while everyone is distracted in the final battle. The player could boot him and his boys off the crucible and restore the destroy functionality or agree and choose control.
The battles against Cerberus in the game could be filled by other indoctrinated factions like the Batarians or brainwashed members of occupied Earth's militaries. Or, gasp, enemies who aren't indoctrinated at all! For example the Tuchanka bomb mission could have been you fighting a Krogan clan that was just trying to recover the weapon for their own use. You have to go all death squad and leave no witnesses to preserve the Turian/Krogan alliance.
The change could have been largely cosmetic, instead of Admiral Hackett being your handler it would be TIM. Certain missions would be handled differently as would your relationships with certain companions.
I still expect he'd betray you, but he would do more intelligently than in ME3. Instead of unleashing Cerberus legions across the galaxy at the beginning of the game, he'd do something like have his commandos board the crucible to implement control while everyone is distracted in the final battle. The player could boot him and his boys off the crucible and restore the destroy functionality or agree and choose control.
The battles against Cerberus in the game could be filled by other indoctrinated factions like the Batarians or brainwashed members of occupied Earth's militaries. Or, gasp, enemies who aren't indoctrinated at all! For example the Tuchanka bomb mission could have been you fighting a Krogan clan that was just trying to recover the weapon for their own use. You have to go all death squad and leave no witnesses to preserve the Turian/Krogan alliance.
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