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[landylan]

Because the rate of failure is equal to the rate that I'm synced.

[Tokenusername]

A lot of self puffary and over exaggeration of isolated events.

In truth, most pugs are not at all bad players. It has more to do with that all pugs (that includes you BSN) destest cooperative strategy. Pugs will almost never work together. Each is playing their own game, and three other players also happen to be there with the same goal.
Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't, but when it fails, the blame is always deflected to pugs because they can't defend against silent attacks.

[dima_che]

You know, I also do not udnerstand.

I remember in October'12 I was just l2p and decided I was ready for Plat. I equipped everything best I had and took my HEngi w\\Hurricane to a random game. I was thrown into a group with 3 BSN celebreties. I was so excited until I understood that my mic won't work.

Ok, so here am I with 2 GIs and a Pally with level X weapons, wrecking everything. I tried my best, I detonated Cryoblast, I helped with objectives. One problem - playing from Belarus with host from Western Europe is bad. I was lagging as ****, I was last on score but that was literally the best game in my life. I was so happy until I managed to overcome my joy and tried to understand what people where discussing.

And to my surprise they were actually mocking me. You know, my score being roughly 40% below nearest, my clumsy attempts to run with pizza. I was so... angry, to put it mildly.
Oh yes, I finished that game. I nuked 2 banshees to save their hides and did my best with objectives. You know what got me ? A banshee appeared near last pizza delivery guy, when he was like 5 meters from delivery zone, I had no missiles left, no clips to make DMG boost, no OPs. So I ran screaming into her arms and died to distract her from that guy. And received even more mocking. Yep, they didn't see my act of despair, but they laughed at how clumsy I was, even though that was first and only synckill for me.

After that I regard BSN arrogance with scepticism. Yes, there are guys how can do much better than me. Yes, I might be below top 10k players. But you know what, I enjoy this game.
I play U\\U\\U lately, and try to help people no matter the difficulty. I try to explain basics and I bite my teeth into every wave.

So yes, I don't understand why PUGs are bad. Want to have a smooth game ? Go with your elite team of friends and nuke spawns for useless money. I prefer to fight a war with random guys - this way it is much more interesting.

EDIT: my splellign is bad.

Modifié par dima_che, 17 juin 2013 - 09:07 .

[DcIhNaGv3z]

late on the conversation, but extra credits had an interesting episode recently which made me think of all the anti-pug sentiment this forum has.

Toxicity

Its easier to just blame others for your own failures.  Or maybe people want to take a passive aggressive means of bragging about their own skill.

Modifié par DcIhNaGv3z, 17 juin 2013 - 09:09 .

[Mystical_Gaming]

 I love them.

I play ME3 MP on Xbox and PC and enjoy playing with a wide variety of players who have different play styles. Now that the game is older there are mostly seasoned veterans left and I barely meet any players that die a ton or just do really stupid stuff.

[Gunboat Diplomat]

Tokenusername wrote...

A lot of self puffary and over exaggeration of isolated events.

In truth, most pugs are not at all bad players. It has more to do with that all pugs (that includes you BSN) destest cooperative strategy. Pugs will almost never work together. Each is playing their own game, and three other players also happen to be there with the same goal.
Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't, but when it fails, the blame is always deflected to pugs because they can't defend against silent attacks.

Wiser words were never spoken on this forum.

[sr2josh]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

Cuz they suck

Sure we extract
But the score is

220k
40k
10k
2k

Damn bro, how did you only get 2k?!!  No wonder you hate PUGs 

[flibber89-2]

Yeah i agree that the majority of pugz are trying to contibute and will use consumables to try and get the job done and they are not bad to play with.. mostly at the platinum level they are only really handicapped by their manifests, which imo is a huge factor to success in this game, and inexperience and they are just trying to get faster credits to improve not ruin anyones day. Which is good on them and beats taking the shameful path of the glitcher. Some experienced players here posted screen shots saying this is why we don't like pugz and its no surprise you see such huge spreads with infiltrators leading the score and not even a 5 revives medal, nice team work there.

[GallowsPole]

flibber89-2 wrote...

Yeah i agree that the majority of pugz are trying to contibute and will use consumables to try and get the job done and they are not bad to play with.. mostly at the platinum level they are only really handicapped by their manifests, which imo is a huge factor to success in this game, and inexperience and they are just trying to get faster credits to improve not ruin anyones day. Which is good on them and beats taking the shameful path of the glitcher. Some experienced players here posted screen shots saying this is why we don't like pugz and its no surprise you see such huge spreads with infiltrators leading the score and not even a 5 revives medal, nice team work there.

LOL.....Im glad Im not the only one that saw this. Long live the score ****s. 

[Caldari Ghost]

dima_che wrote...

You know, I also do not udnerstand.

I remember in October'12 I was just l2p and decided I was ready for Plat. I equipped everything best I had and took my HEngi wHurricane to a random game. I was thrown into a group with 3 BSN celebreties. I was so excited until I understood that my mic won't work.

Ok, so here am I with 2 GIs and a Pally with level X weapons, wrecking everything. I tried my best, I detonated Cryoblast, I helped with objectives. One problem - playing from Belarus with host from Western Europe is bad. I was lagging as ****, I was last on score but that was literally the best game in my life. I was so happy until I managed to overcome my joy and tried to understand what people where discussing.

And to my surprise they were actually mocking me. You know, my score being roughly 40% below nearest, my clumsy attempts to run with pizza. I was so... angry, to put it mildly.
Oh yes, I finished that game. I nuked 2 banshees to save their hides and did my best with objectives. You know what got me ? A banshee appeared near last pizza delivery guy, when he was like 5 meters from delivery zone, I had no missiles left, no clips to make DMG boost, no OPs. So I ran screaming into her arms and died to distract her from that guy. And received even more mocking. Yep, they didn't see my act of despair, but they laughed at how clumsy I was, even though that was first and only synckill for me.

After that I regard BSN arrogance with scepticism. Yes, there are guys how can do much better than me. Yes, I might be below top 10k players. But you know what, I enjoy this game.
I play UUU lately, and try to help people no matter the difficulty. I try to explain basics and I bite my teeth into every wave.

So yes, I don't understand why PUGs are bad. Want to have a smooth game ? Go with your elite team of friends and nuke spawns for useless money. I prefer to fight a war with random guys - this way it is much more interesting.

EDIT: my splellign is bad.

[Civet214]

I like pugs that can out score me... that means enemies are dropping like flies...

...whether we fail or not... it is just part of the game...

[RabbitWrath]

I would have to say
To quote my friend GriM

"Needs more Rum"

So based on that^ I would say that we all need more Rum to play wit Pugs or at the very least to understand them.

[pinwinomuerto]

I entered an U/U/G lobby yesterday with three (at first) seemingly competent players. N7 2100, 630 and 800 and something if I recall correctly.

Their challenge points tripled and even quadrupled mine, and they all had level X blacklisted weapons. It was the last game I was going to play that night, I just wanted to level up my N7 Demolisher to promote her.

I didn't really look at their usernames. I did recognize OnlyUseMeGI when he was about 30k points ahead of me in wave 2 and killing everything before I could get there. I can't even recall how many points he got.

Of course, after the match, my connection dropped and I couldn't join the next game.

Modifié par pinwinomuerto, 17 juin 2013 - 10:48 .

[Kalas Magnus]

Makai81 wrote...

Kalas Magnus wrote...

Cuz they suck

Sure we extract
But the score is

220k
40k
10k
2k

Damn bro, how did you only get 2k?!!  No wonder you hate PUGs 

i entered the game in wave 11. in the final 20 seconds of the game.

[Erez Kristal]

FateNeverEnds wrote...

OP, thanks for the chuckle.

I'll join the rest and say, your opinion about gold pugs is very unaccurate given your experience. That you have managed to extract on gold 9 times means nothing.

Seriously. Nothing.

You can't come here and say gold pugs are good because most of the times the team gets to extraction when you have extracted only 9 times. No one will buy that. Your whole point is operating under a false premise and the people on BSN have their daily dose of laughter and happiness unmasking people who think they know what they're talking about when they don't.

That's about it. Yes, it is just a game. Yes, you're entitled to your opinion. And yes, this has turned into a personal flaming thing. Because you're telling people who have played literally hundreds --or thousands-- of gold matches something that is untrue, something that cannot be proved or known in just 9 games.

Does the name Cassandra S. ring any bells, anyone?

On topic, I know how frustrating it can be to pug gold, but I know for sure how bad playing with capable people can be in the long run, so I don't hate pugs. Not anymore.

seriously? still at it? 
9 golden matches, 25 silver,  and 392 unknown matches, great math!   an 'exprienced gamer'  such as yourself should know his game mechanics better.

Back to the subject. 
Thanks for everyone who added  real input to the thread. I can relate with a lot of it.
The biggest concern i manage to see is that you hate it when somebody is leeching or isnt putting their max abilities(consumeables) which are both decent complains.

A few side notes on this topic. 

It seems to me that those who are dissapointed with not finishing a gold match or it taking too long have a different view on things from the casual pug player.
While the casual player plays mostly for the fun, comradery and to enjoy the mass effect universe a bit more.

those who simply play to gain new weapons, new equipment and more n7 points and have no fun with the random factor and the harder challange which comes with playing with players you do not know should stick to the safe familiar options of fixed matches.

Have a great week!

[TwinWolf954]

I don't have an issue with pugs. Hell, I'm a "pug"er myself.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Because they're very unreliable.

[78stonewobble]

I don't hate them and I certainly don't mind newbies.

But they do vary alot.

Assuming I perform around the same on average. Scores can go from half and below of mine, to all being withing 10k of eachother and to one guy doing twice my score.

All as a silly "support" juggy with a BW (around 80-120k points over those games).

EDIT: Partially explains my preference to the juggy. I'm a decent sniper in damage output, but I don't know if the next game consists of me having to save players asses constantly and that I'm not as good as with other classes. Thankfully I enjoy that.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 18 juin 2013 - 11:29 .

[Idahoh]

erezike wrote...
 Its rare to see a pug gold/silver game which doesnt end in extraction if you have at least two decent players in the game.

I'm a casual, mostly silver, but i already carried full gold games, and i obviously saw more pugs fail than you ever seen ones succeed.
The whole discussion about your lack of experience doesn't seem to make you understand you CAN'T make flat comment about something in the game because your perception is too small. It's not about performance, it's about number of game situation you ever saw. Especially in gold.
Gold pug with only 2 decent gamer can be a nightmare, cause 2 others are long dead when one of the carrier make the small little mistake that change a successful action into a sync kill and let the other alone. The single fact you have to play a 4 player game with only 2 real player push you to take risks. Can be fun, but it directly affect your chances to fail the mission.
Silver is smoother, at least for me, and you pug assertion is acceptable. But what comes in mind when you say it is the question someone else already underlined : nothing indicates us you're one of the 2 decent players.

You never know people that post, but everything in your post smell like a lack of humility or the intention to troll forums

Also worth for your Destroyer post. I know destroyer weaknesses (it had to have some), but it's still a great asset in a gold game.

To conclude, i don't hate pug, i'm a pugger, but there's just too much leecher around to not check who are you playing with before starting a game.

Modifié par Idahoh, 18 juin 2013 - 01:02 .

[Erez Kristal]

Idahoh wrote...

erezike wrote...
 Its rare to see a pug gold/silver game which doesnt end in extraction if you have at least two decent players in the game.

The whole discussion about your lack of experience doesn't seem to make you understand you CAN'T make flat comment about something in the game because your perception is too small. It's not about performance, it's about number of game situation you ever saw. 

But what comes in mind when you say it is the question someone else already underlined : nothing indicates us you're one of the 2 decent players.

You never know people that post, but everything in your post smell like a lack of humility or the intention to troll forums

Also worth for your Destroyer post. I know destroyer weaknesses (it had to have some), but it's still a great asset in a gold game.

The destroyer was really good in the past, now its just good, there are some better classes to  play with. but im not going into that corner again.

As for what people and you are posting about me... well you guys got to stop sounding like turian and a bit more human.

[Dunvi]

erezike wrote...

The destroyer was really good in the past, now its just good, there are some better classes to  play with. but im not going into that corner again.

but i totally missed that thread
please
tell me
what classes are better (there are a few, but i would argue even now destroyer is just as ridiculous if you coonsider the entire package holistically)?

[Erez Kristal]

Dunvi wrote...

erezike wrote...

The destroyer was really good in the past, now its just good, there are some better classes to  play with. but im not going into that corner again.

but i totally missed that thread
please
tell me
what classes are better (there are a few, but i would argue even now destroyer is just as ridiculous if you coonsider the entire package holistically)?

As long as we can keep the debate in good manners there should be no problem.

There are few ulities.
Heavy weapons - The turian Soldier, as a bigger damage Potential if he can maintain his fire rate.
The turian soldier has a 30% higher headshot, 20% less damage,  higher accuracy, 25% faster fire rate, 55% stability. free clip exchange, debuff mine for the good of the time
Max damage= 
 
they have the same mobility,
 
the destroyer is harder to knock,
the destroyer has omg emergency(grenades), can go glass canon for stagger. and a faster shield recovery, bigger clips, can carry two weapons of choice for better performance

When using weapons with big clips the turian has the potential to output the destroyer.

But there are better options on the table,.

The turian ghost, a Different playstyle than the destroyer.  can spam a powerful overload,  stims packs
Goes around reviving team mates and getting objectives. has powerful burst attack.

not as good as the destroyer or the turian soldier for long term dps. but more than makes up to it by picking his targets. and spending a lot of time picking targets with the scope.

geth infiltrator - glass canon. highest burst dps. can shoot enemies through walls with proper mods.


I used to have a lot of fun with the destroyer, right now I think there a better options when it comes to shooting.

Firerate dependent classes takes the harder hit when you don't have consumables for better damage output. this is also an hindrance. could still play him easily on gold without consumeables if you have a low level saber and a reegar. it will just be more effective to play other classes.

[DaveT]

Pugs have cooties

[Moby]

erezike wrote...

It seems to me that those who are dissapointed with not finishing a gold match or it taking too long have a different view on things from the casual pug player.

While the casual player plays mostly for the fun, comradery and to enjoy the mass effect universe a bit more.

those who simply play to gain new weapons, new equipment and more n7 points and have no fun with the random factor and the harder challange which comes with playing with players you do not know should stick to the safe familiar options of fixed matches.

[Cirvante]

MofuggerX wrote...

erezike wrote...

It seems to me that those who are dissapointed with not finishing a gold match or it taking too long have a different view on things from the casual pug player.

While the casual player plays mostly for the fun, comradery and to enjoy the mass effect universe a bit more.

those who simply play to gain new weapons, new equipment and more n7 points and have no fun with the random factor and the harder challange which comes with playing with players you do not know should stick to the safe familiar options of fixed matches.

Exactly.

Also, don't start comparing soldiers and then bring winfiltrators into the equation. Your original statement was that the destroyer is one of the worst soldiers. And I have had plenty of occasions where I had to pick up Ghosts with my PPR Destroyer while outscoring them.