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[Taint Master]

IMO Morrigan looks much better now. I don't get what all the fuss is about. She's far more realistic in the new trailer.

And it wouldn't make sense for her to be a romance option. The whole reason she was one in DAO was because her mission was to get pregnant with the God baby. Her relationship with the Warden slowly/unintentionally became something more. What interest would she have in the new protagonist?

Modifié par Taint Master, 19 juin 2013 - 07:25 .

[NoForgiveness]

I don't see why it wouldn't be referenced at the very least.

[MisanthropePrime]

Destiny_1989 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I was told by one of the posters on the BSN that only I thought the new Morrigan was ugly. Oh well.
People who stabbed her in witch hunt got retconned. Pure and simple.

Whether you choose to let her go through the Eluvian, go with her or stab her, that decision imports into DA2, there's no retcon. Also, she falls through the Eluvian if you stab her. That, right there, screams that she's not gonna die. I don't accept a character dies if I don't see a body and they don't disappear from the party selection screen. Seeing as we don't have a party selection screen in Witch Hunt, I'll go only with the body and we don't get that. Therefore, no reason to believe she's dead from the get go. You already know she's one crafty b**** with many tricks up her sleeve.

To be fair, Leliana disappears from the party select screen if you kill her before the Ashes but DAII don't care.

[9TailsFox]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Destiny_1989 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I was told by one of the posters on the BSN that only I thought the new Morrigan was ugly. Oh well.
People who stabbed her in witch hunt got retconned. Pure and simple.

Whether you choose to let her go through the Eluvian, go with her or stab her, that decision imports into DA2, there's no retcon. Also, she falls through the Eluvian if you stab her. That, right there, screams that she's not gonna die. I don't accept a character dies if I don't see a body and they don't disappear from the party selection screen. Seeing as we don't have a party selection screen in Witch Hunt, I'll go only with the body and we don't get that. Therefore, no reason to believe she's dead from the get go. You already know she's one crafty b**** with many tricks up her sleeve.

To be fair, Leliana disappears from the party select screen if you kill her before the Ashes but DAII don't care.

And I killed Flemeth she didin't care, she just pulled voldemort.

[Grog Muffins]

Ignore this, please.

Modifié par Destiny_1989, 19 juin 2013 - 08:12 .

[Grog Muffins]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

To be fair, Leliana disappears from the party select screen if you kill her before the Ashes but DAII don't care.

I'll give you that one (never personally killed Leliana, so I kinda forgot to take it into account), but I still hold to my opinion that Morrigan's survival was heavily implied in Witch Hunt. You don't decapitate her, just poke her with a sharp object (not even a sword that goes in one side and comes out the other, just an ordinary knife) and she falls through the Eluvian after. I personally never thought that would kill her.

MisanthropePrime wrote...

And I killed Flemeth she didin't care, she just pulled voldemort.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

To be fair here, when she asks you kill Flemeth, Morrigan does say you probably won't be able to actually kill her, just delay her plans of taking over Morrigan's body. And she restates this in Witch Hunt, so Flemeth reappearing on Sundermount didn't really bother me, either.

Modifié par Destiny_1989, 19 juin 2013 - 08:12 .

[o Ventus]

Mikoto8472 wrote...

Why? Well she isn't a companion anymore and basically tried to blackmail you into conceiving a child with her-one that would have the soul of an old god. I can see why some people would stab her.

She didn't blackmail you into anything.

She proposes the idea, and you're given a choice to go along with it or decline.

[Clertar]

I bet most wardens stabbed her every time they set up camp...

[Clertar]

"And it wouldn't make sense for her to be a romance option. The whole reason she was one in DAO was because her mission was to get pregnant with the God baby. Her relationship with the Warden slowly/unintentionally became something more. What interest would she have in the new protagonist?"

She could be a Jaheira 2.0

[mickey111]

why no option to delete my posts?

Modifié par mickey111, 19 juin 2013 - 01:06 .

[Wozearly]

Fetunche wrote...

Why stab her? I don't understand why people want to kill their companions.

In Morrigan's case?

For one relatively harsh and judgemental Warden, because she abandoned the fight at the last minute to pursue her own agenda, and so he treated her as he would any other deserter.

To the Orlesian Commander, because she was an apostate who frankly couldn't be trusted (albeit technically, Morrigan wasn't *his* companion)

And to the ambitious and brutally efficient social climber of a male Cousland, both Morrigan and Alistair needed to die. Alistair because he had a rival claim to the throne, and Morrigan because the OGB could potentially rival his trueborn sons in the future.

For the others...

Zevran wasn't always trusted. Wynne stood down a firm believer on the Templar side who insisted on purging the tower. Leliana challenged a Dalish Warden who was happy to seek power from the dragon cult at the expense of the Chantry in response to its past actions towards the Elves. Oghren got too drunk and too angry with an exiled dwarven noble. The same noble brought his golem to the deep roads, but sided with Branka in the hope of restoring glory to Orzammar. The elven mage hated dogs. The judgemental warden refused to rescue a murderer and left him to die in his cage. Several wardens lopped the head off Loghain.

Most of my wardens cared deeply for some of their companions, several for all of them. But a couple, just like the companions, were willing to go all the way in pursuit of their agenda.

All of them had their good reasons, and even the bloodthirsty social climber spared Loghain...because of his political value.


Aye, DA:O was a fantastic role-playing game.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Twisted Path wrote...

I really disliked Morrigan but never stabbed her when I played Witch Hunt because I just had no motivation to. Really if you didn't romance Morrigan or believe that evil apostates must be hunted down and killed you have no motivation to do any of the stuff you do in Witch Hunt.

"Why did you follow me?"

"Eh. I had nothing better to do after I killed The Mother and wiped out the darkspawn. Thought I'd see what you and Alistair's kid were up to."

I didn't think my LI had the balls to do it, so I did it for him.  Most have pissed him off, because he ran away with Isabella to hunt a Trevinter mage without me.   That's alright, time for me to find Zevran then! 

I really wanted my Warden who is Queen to stab her but I figured my hubby wouldn't want the mother of his child dead.  Really wouldn't have bothered me in the least after she slept with my man.  So yeah, none of my female wardens had a problem  with stabbing her, it was hard at that point in time on to decide what to do.  My queen warden did tell her I was coming for Alistair's child.  I've got to get to that child before the First Warden, Alistair, and The Chantry finds him.  One of my male wardens didn't follow her into the Eluvian, he just left and took the book.

My warden who is Alistair's mistress stabbed her.   She didn't have as much to lose, so she did it.   Ok, kidding aside, I don't like to kill my companions off because I like to see what happens to them in future games.  I had to many wardens not to cover all the bases for possible story options to not stab her just once.   I finally did get around to killing Leliana and I've killed Wynne off once.  I've never killed Zevran off. 

I've never made Alistair a drunk or exiled him yet either.  Alistair did die on my behalf, which I didn't mean to do.  I was saving that for Loghain.  Ugh, I was ticked when I did that.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 21 juin 2013 - 12:22 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Karlone123 wrote...

If we ever to talk to Morrigan you could ask her of her last encounter with the Warden resulting in either her being stabbed, departed together or left each other.

I can't help but wonder why the Inquisitor would want to ask such a specific question about an event of which he is probably entirely unaware.

[TK514]

One of my Wardens stabbed her because she couldn't be trusted as far as he could throw Sten. She has stunted social awareness and empathy on par with a classic anti-social disorder sufferer, a clear 'what's in this for me' coupled with 'people who I disagree with should die to prove my point' attitude, and the compassion of a Murder Knife. He figured you'd have to be a moron to let a woman like that direct the formative upbringing of any child, much less one with the potential soul of an Archdemon and unknown future powers.

Modifié par TK514, 21 juin 2013 - 12:32 .

[Azaron Nightblade]

Destiny_1989 wrote...

I'll give you that one (never personally killed Leliana, so I kinda forgot to take it into account), but I still hold to my opinion that Morrigan's survival was heavily implied in Witch Hunt. You don't decapitate her, just poke her with a sharp object (not even a sword that goes in one side and comes out the other, just an ordinary knife) and she falls through the Eluvian after. I personally never thought that would kill her.

I never did either, why on Earth would anyone stab our beloved bard?! Savages!
Think of how sad it would make Schmooples!
More on topic, I doubt the stab did much more than annoy the hell out of her - after all you get stabbed, slashed, beaten and burned ALL the time throughout the game!

Modifié par Azaron Nightblade, 21 juin 2013 - 01:35 .

[Nightdragon8]

Thus you display very good social behavior by stabbing her? Good to know ill use that as a defence if I ever get put on trial.

So she is out for number one herself that doesn't warent stabbing her and maybe killing her over. Alot of people think that way. Yet you don't see people going around stabbing those kinds of people

[AresKeith]

I stabbed Morrigan ifyouknowwhatimsayin ;D

[KENNY4753]

The Murder Knife has failed us

[TK514]

KENNY4753 wrote...

The Murder Knife has failed us

The Murder Knife is patient.  It is merely biding its time, awaiting the next opportunity.

[Trikormadenadon]

Karlone123 wrote...

Should she have a scar or reference to when the Warden could stab her? If we ever to talk to Morrigan you could ask her of her last encounter with the Warden resulting in either her being stabbed, departed together or left each other.

The game does not save after you finish that quest so they would have to implement something to let you choose. Most likely they just made a canon choice for everyone.

[TK514]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Thus you display very good social behavior by stabbing her? Good to know ill use that as a defence if I ever get put on trial.

So she is out for number one herself that doesn't warent stabbing her and maybe killing her over. Alot of people think that way. Yet you don't see people going around stabbing those kinds of people

Hmm.  I don't recall ever having stabbed anyone.  I do, however, have several characters in the Dragon Age video game series who have spent hours upon hours stabbing, crushing burning, shooting, etc other people for various reasons ranging from the fate of nations to differences of opinion. 
Not all of those characters were nice people, and not all of them were willing to give the crazy Witch of the Wilds Jr the benefit of the doubt.  Some of them distrusted her so much they died rather than give her a child, some of them didn't care one way or the other, and at least one of them thought, "Yeah, I'll do this to survive then hunt her down later.  No way I'm trusting her to raise a potential deity."
And lo, in their wisdom, BioWare released a DLC that gave him that opportunity.

in any case, I wouldn't suggest using video game characters as models for real life actions.  You'll likely run into some trouble.  Also, it would be seriously insane to do so.

Modifié par TK514, 21 juin 2013 - 04:59 .

[David7204]

Can someone elaborate on this for me? I haven't played the Dragon Age games. Can you kill Morrigan?

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Can someone elaborate on this for me? I haven't played the Dragon Age games. Can you kill Morrigan?

[Nole]

KENNY4753 wrote...

The Murder Knife has failed us

It did his best.