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[ISHYGDDT]

IamZAE wrote...

I don't feel like quoting
@redjohn, your PC reegar is diffferant from our Xbox reegar, ours do a lot less damage then it seems like PC reegar does, it's not OP because I think we get half the damage y'all get.

Sigh I wish I had a PC reegar

 If that's true, it's not because of FPS.  I can only get 30 FPS when recording and I still do a ****-ton of damage.

[Caldari Ghost]

IamZAE wrote...

I don't feel like quoting
@redjohn, your PC reegar is diffferant from our Xbox reegar, ours do a lot less damage then it seems like PC reegar does, it's not OP because I think we get half the damage y'all get.

Sigh I wish I had a PC reegar

if it is any stronger, it's because it's easier to adjust our aim to critical points as the trigger is pulled. Other than that I don't think there is a difference.

[IamZAE]

Well I watch videos like one cast incinerate atlas one cast..

No way Xbox can do that even close, and I would now i use reegar often,

Also I seen the video of a PC guy doing asari Valkyrie on gold (awesome clip) and he was melting Evey boss at a rate that you can't achieve on Xbox. I can understand why you guys whine about it on PC but n Xbox you take it t platinum, you better prepare your backside for probal insertion unless you know what your doing

[RedJohn]

IamZAE wrote...

I don't feel like quoting
@redjohn, your PC reegar is diffferant from our Xbox reegar, ours do a lot less damage then it seems like PC reegar does, it's not OP because I think we get half the damage y'all get.

Sigh I wish I had a PC reegar

That's not true, our weapons deal the same damage.

It's exactly the same damage, reegar start "loosing" shots when the game goes below 20 FPS in some cases.

[IamZAE]

RedJohn wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

I don't feel like quoting
@redjohn, your PC reegar is diffferant from our Xbox reegar, ours do a lot less damage then it seems like PC reegar does, it's not OP because I think we get half the damage y'all get.

Sigh I wish I had a PC reegar

That's not true, our weapons deal the same damage.

It's exactly the same damage, reegar start "loosing" shots when the game goes below 20 FPS in some cases.

i am telling you, PC reegar does more damage then Xbox reegar... Trust me I know, from what I've watched on videos and from personal experience using the gun  on every kit and ammo, it does way less damage

[Creator Limbs]

Are you exploiting incendiary ammo?

[OniGanon]

IamZAE wrote...

Well I watch videos like one cast incinerate atlas one cast..

No way Xbox can do that even close, and I would now i use reegar often,

Also I seen the video of a PC guy doing asari Valkyrie on gold (awesome clip) and he was melting Evey boss at a rate that you can't achieve on Xbox. I can understand why you guys whine about it on PC but n Xbox you take it t platinum, you better prepare your backside for probal insertion unless you know what your doing

You know those videos are showcasing Incendiary Ammo abuse, yeah?

Are you using Incendiary Ammo IV together with Incinerate/Warp?

Modifié par OniGanon, 18 juin 2013 - 01:35 .

[The Rainbow Reaper]

I've successfully recreated this on lolpeeestree, I can confirm there's no difference. I haven't done Incinerate vs Atlas yet, but I'll give it a shot later.

Modifié par The Rainbow Reaper, 18 juin 2013 - 01:51 .

[BioWareMod03]

Hi everybody!
There are a few posts in this thread that contain inappropriate comments. Please try to stick to the topic without using insulting terms, or disparaging fellow players.
Thanks!

[IamZAE]

BioWareMod04 wrote...

Hi everybody!
There are a few posts in this thread that contain inappropriate comments. Please try to stick to the topic without using insulting terms, or disparaging fellow players.
Thanks!

we are debating multiplayer, let us debate, that's what these forums are for...

wheres ninja Stan we want him back

[RedJohn]

IamZAE wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

I don't feel like quoting
@redjohn, your PC reegar is diffferant from our Xbox reegar, ours do a lot less damage then it seems like PC reegar does, it's not OP because I think we get half the damage y'all get.

Sigh I wish I had a PC reegar

That's not true, our weapons deal the same damage.

It's exactly the same damage, reegar start "loosing" shots when the game goes below 20 FPS in some cases.

i am telling you, PC reegar does more damage then Xbox reegar... Trust me I know, from what I've watched on videos and from personal experience using the gun  on every kit and ammo, it does way less damage

Well, this was on PS3: 

but hey, if you can, get someone who can record video and make it test it with Incendiary Grenades and Incendiary Ammo IV.

Then we can see if there is really a difference.

[RedJohn]

BioWareMod04 wrote...

Hi everybody!
There are a few posts in this thread that contain inappropriate comments. Please try to stick to the topic without using insulting terms, or disparaging fellow players.
Thanks!

Hey!!

I am creating different names for the BioWareMods, since they don't have it, i will call you Lucy.

And don't worry, we will ( at least for me  ) this civil

[The Rainbow Reaper]

RedJohn wrote...

Well, this was on PS3: 

but hey, if you can, get someone who can record video and make it test it with Incendiary Grenades and Incendiary Ammo IV.

Then we can see if there is really a difference.

I think you misunderstood my post, the video is on PC, I just managed to copy it on PS3.

[IamZAE]

Krogan shaman with reegar cheese I think maybe stronger then asari Valkyrie (shockwave biotic explosion for desert), what you think red John? shaman is a BEAST

[IamZAE]

@redjohn, inferno grenades are pure NASTY, you can kill 2 banshees CHARGiN at you with those inferno nade, reegar cheese. I luv it!!

[RedJohn]

The Rainbow Reaper wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Well, this was on PS3: 

but hey, if you can, get someone who can record video and make it test it with Incendiary Grenades and Incendiary Ammo IV.

Then we can see if there is really a difference.

I think you misunderstood my post, the video is on PC, I just managed to copy it on PS3.

Oh gawd yes, I'm sorry i went full retard

IamZAE wrote...

Krogan shaman with reegar cheese I think maybe stronger then asari Valkyrie (shockwave biotic explosion for desert), what you think red John? shaman is a BEAST

AF + Warp + Incendiary is something magic!

IamZAE wrote...

@redjohn, inferno grenades are pure NASTY, you can kill 2 banshees CHARGiN at you with those inferno nade, reegar cheese. I luv it!!

Indeed, test the same on your Xbox to see if you get the same results.

[Kinom001]

RedJohn wrote...

Kinom001 wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Kinom001 wrote...

It's my preference to play my biotic characters to their powers, rather than attempt to make every class a weapons build. If the intent is to optimize weapons why play biotic characters?

If you spec some of the Adepts into weapon builds you are not making a soldier, Adepts like Asari Adept or Krogan Shaman dont take too much advantage of Power bonus and if you go for Biotic combos then you know that the passive tree doesnt affect the power of biotic explosions, so it doesnt matter if you spec for powers or weapons, the biotic explosions will do the same damage.

So in cases like AA or Krogan Shaman I dont really see why would someone spec into power damage thats why im curious, because maybe there is a reason and I could be missing something or maybe they are missing something.

Who knows, is always good to ask when you are curious about something :happy:

Curiousity is fine. As a matter of fact, it's a great thing. However, people should play to their strengths or preferences, especially if their manifest inventory is rather light.

In the end people should play in whatever means makes the game the most fun. For me, that's light(ish) weapons and a fast cooldown. On Shamans that usually means a Talon, with a power mod, or Eviscerator. As long as I'm not dragging a team down that's all that really matters.

Yes I know, im not against people playing how they like, I just have that huge curiosity, but part of that is because I know how the game works, which means all the things I judge are from my perspective, with my own knowledge and you know that by instinct sometimes we think other knows the things we know.

That's why I was wondering, to see if maybe they were missing something or they didn't know something or maybe I was missing something, because one never knows, that's why is good to ask, because even if someone runs like that because he likes it there will be another user who doesn't know about the mechanics, so i think in that way we kind of help the community with the knowledge

That's cool, but I have...well, I have lot of time invested in MP. 1633 hrs, truth be told. That's why I feel comfortable stating that it's a matter of preference of playstyles. My characters are still effective, for me, even when specced for power damage, not weapon damage.

Remember, curiousity also means that you're willing to view any number of ideas as viable, not just your own.

[AMTN-Ghost]

RedJohn wrote...

I don't understand why some people spec Asari Adept,  Human Sentinel, Turian Sentinel, N7 Fury, Krogan Battlemaster, Krogan Shaman some other Characters that are not really power dependant. It's just out of my comprehension, can you help me to understand?


Can you explain me why?

Some players like to explore new options. 

[OniGanon]

IamZAE wrote...

Dont spit in my face with your condescending comments, yes I know what they are using in the videos, oni please

If that's your idea of condescending, then I hope you never have cause to call any sort of tech help department, because it will probably kill you.

[MasterPeras]

This is not happening

[IamZAE]

OniGanon wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

Dont spit in my face with your condescending comments, yes I know what they are using in the videos, oni please

If that's your idea of condescending, then I hope you never have cause to call any sort of tech help department, because it will probably kill you.

Indeed those guys are no better then automated systems...

@redjohn inferno nades hard to test because actual inferno nade damage adds a lot and you can throw multiple nades which makes equation even more difficult to do.

and I speak for Xbox only when I say honest opinion inferno nade inciendiery cheese is only truly OP thing, soooo tasty wicked powerful, I mean its like tac cLoak on steroidssteroids

Modifié par IamZAE, 18 juin 2013 - 04:04 .

[Deerber]

IamZAE wrote...

*things*

Weren't you banned? 


Anyway, I wonder how many of those who say "it's because I want to play a biotic the way it's supposed to be played!" ever played ME1...

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Am I the only person who realizes this is a co-op game? And that even though weapon damage is prime way of taking out enemies, a team of biotics setting off 3 BE every second will actually kill entire spawns of bosses faster than any group of weapons can?

Power damage has its use in the game, Fury for example gets great boost for dark channel with power damage, as well as faster explosions with less weight.

Warp gets ~100-600 damage boost to armor/barriers depending on how you spec it. Only a few weapons in the game 'manageble' by power classes lets you get that much damage with a single ability.

Its always faster to take out level 1 health mooks with throw than shooting them... numbers will actually LIE to you in those cases. Especially if you have area throw and smack 2~3 level 1 mooks with 1. Also, no matter what weapon you have on those classes, a spawn of 5+ mooks will always get taken out faster than just shooting with a prime~detonation+ shoot combo.

tl;dr
Depends on how you and your team work together more than anything, since this is a co-op game after all, and unless your soloing picking weapon damage path can mean jack shyt compared to constant power combos...which I believe OP and even the great cyonan lost sight of.

[OniGanon]

Power damage has little to do with power comboes. That's kinda the OP's whole point. It being a co-op game is irrelevant. Actually, power damage for things like DC or Reave might make MORE sense when soloing, because enemies would live long enough to really make use of that DoT.

7.5% weapon damage may not mean a whole lot, but it is likely to mean more than the power damage in most cases.

Going for power damage really only makes sense if it puts you over an important force/damage threshold, or you're using a heavier gun. If your weight bonus is above 160% or so, the effect of an extra 20 capacity is so small it's practically worthless.

Or just ignore both options entirely and use the points on your other powers/Fitness instead. My AA and HSent have 0 in their passive...

[FlowCytometry]

training to 3 ranks or to 4b is as far as I'd take most combo-oriented biotics (if that), but that's also cause I value 5b in fitness for most of them and usually can't spare any further points for training.

most important thing for BE-ing kits is maxing the combo power ranks and picking up any detonate evos; the rest is w/e.