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I just finished Origins and Awakening, and am now playing Dragon Age II again. I've played all these games before, but I believe there was a Fallout or Assassin's Creed related gap between Awakening and DAII. 

So, now that I'm playing DAII so soon after having played Awakening, I've been thinking of how my Warden would react if they learned that Anders merged with Justice. I'm pretty sure they would just shake their head and walk away.

Anyway, my train of thought works in a wierd way (e.g. my mother told me to steer the car more straight, and it somehow reminded me of the fact that if you push a cow off a cliff all of the other cows following it will follow it and fall off the cliff as well) so I'm not going to bother explaining how I got to this particular topic, but I began trying to find who could be blamed for the incident in Kirkwall when the Chantry went "kablooey". I kept thinking about the templars and mages and how the templars are just scared and misunderstood, and that no one could be blamed for this terrible turn of events, but then that line of thought got boring pretty quickly and I started trying to think of where I could point fingers. 

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So, let me explain the rules of the blame game:

1) Try and think of which person or persons ["persons" is a word; do not correct my grammar :ph34r:] is most responsible for the Chantry exploding, thus triggering the mage vs templar war-thingy

2) Don't blame Anders; it's too easy/obvious to say that it's his fault

3) Don't get all angry and serious and defensive, man. It harshes my mellow. This is not a thread of bashing. It is a thread of... "creative discussion". I'm not trying to throw hate on any characters or plot points with this. I am just terribly board. [<--this is also not a typo; I am actually a board—I'm made of birch :3 ] 


Well, here's who came to mind for me: 
  • the Warden Commander, for recruiting Anders
  • Sebastian Vael. This is what happens when you don't pray enough, Sebastian. The wrath of the Maker shall smite you. Smite!
  • Justice, for not minding his own business and letting the Baroness continue her evil reign of cruelty over the trapped souls of the Blackmarsh for all eternity
  • Hugues de Payens. Need I say more?
  • Fenris, for no reason in particular except that I sorta just felt like blaming him
  • the Architect, for freeing the Mother, who told the First to kill Kristoff, whose corpse was possessed by Justice, who later hopped on over into Anders body
  • Kristoff, for dying. Couldn't have waited five minutes?
  • mages, for getting abomin-i-fied all the time
  • Hawke, for not bothering to stop and think about how in the Void random ingredients are supposed to expell Justice from Anders' body, and then just not caring enough to think about it (well, at least, that's what my Hawke did)
Now, of course you could just say that everyone is equally guilty for what occured and that they are all to blame, but where's the fun in that?  

Modifié par DeadlyHaven, 19 juin 2013 - 08:02 .


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It was Elthina's fault. If she had been willing to leave Kirkwall or been more supportive of either side, then Anders wouldn't have been able to provoke Meredith into calling the Rite of Annulment and starting the war.

It was Meredith's fault. She was the one who created the oppressive police state and called the Rite of Annulment on the Circle, who had nothing to do with Anders' bomb plot.

It was the Arishok's fault. If he hadn't killed the Viscount, Meredith would never have come into power and the oppressive police-state she created would never have come to fruition, rendering Anders' actions moot.

It was Petrice's fault. She was the one who antagonized the Arishok, who in turn killed the Viscount and set it up so that Meredith came to power.

It was the lyrium idol's fault. It influenced Meredith's mind and drove her to paranoia. It made her persecute the mages even more zealously and ultimately drove them to rebellion.

It was Bartrand's fault. If he hadn't betrayed Varric and Hawke in the Deep Roads, the lyrium idol might never have gotten into Meredith's hands.

It was Hawke's fault. The expedition would have failed without Hawke's intervention, and if he had never agreed to accompany Anders to the meeting with Karl, then Anders would have died.

It was Flemeth's fault. If she hadn't struck a deal with Hawke, s/he would never have come to Kirkwall and everything that came to pass would never have happened. She could have foreseen what happened.

It was the Architect's fault. He corrupted Urthemiel and causing the Fifth Blight, which in turn led to Hawke fleeing north to Kirkwall.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 18 juin 2013 - 03:47 .


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Face of Evil wrote...

It was Elthina's fault. If she had been willing to leave Kirkwall or been more supportive of either side, then Anders wouldn't have been able to provoke Meredith into calling the Rite of Annulment and starting the war.


Yeah. And she was effectively Meredith's boss so could have slapped her down at any point.

In one of my DAO playthroughs King Alistair freed the Circle from Chantry control so I'm sure that started a war. ;)

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Face of Evil wrote...

It was Elthina's fault. If she had been willing to leave Kirkwall or been more supportive of either side, then Anders wouldn't have been able to provoke Meredith into calling the Rite of Annulment and starting the war.

It was Meredith's fault. She was the one who created the oppressive police state and called the Rite of Annulment on the Circle, who had nothing to do with Anders' bomb plot.

It was the Arishok's fault. If he hadn't killed the Viscount, Meredith would never have come into power and the oppressive police-state she created would never have come to fruition, rendering Anders' actions moot.

It was Petrice's fault. She was the one who antagonized the Arishok, who in turn killed the Viscount and set it up so that Meredith came to power.

It was the lyrium idol's fault. It influenced Meredith's mind and drove her to paranoia. It made her persecute the mages even more zealously and ultimately drove them to rebellion.

It was Bartrand's fault. If he hadn't betrayed Varric and Hawke in the Deep Roads, the lyrium idol might never have gotten into Meredith's hands.

It was Hawke's fault. The expedition would have failed without Hawke's intervention, and if he had never agreed to accompany Anders to the meeting with Karl, then Anders would have died.

It was Flemeth's fault. If she hadn't struck a deal with Hawke, s/he would never have come to Kirkwall and everything that came to pass would never have happened. She could have foreseen what happened.

It was the Architect's fault. He corrupted Urthemiel and causing the Fifth Blight, which in turn led to Hawke fleeing north to Kirkwall.


Very good, but you left one out.

It was the Viscount's fault.  If he had responded more forcefully to the saar-qamek incident, sent the Qunari delegates back to the compound with an honor guard, or even kept a little closer eye on his own kid, his office would never have been vacated and Meredith could never have seized power.

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I think Varric could also be added. I'm replaying DAII and notice how Cassandra is talking about all of Hawke's companions. When she says, "...and that Warden, Anders" Varric's reply of "Don't remind me; I'm the one that introduced them" sounded to me like he felt somewhat guilty. Poor Varric. :(

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It was Isabela's fault. If she hadn't stolen the Tome of Koslun, the Qunari wouldn't have been around to kill Viscount Dumar so Meredith could seize power.

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It is the Maker's fault. His(?) creation is imperfect.

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I think Varric could also be added. I'm replaying DAII and notice how Cassandra is talking about all of Hawke's companions. When she says, "...and that Warden, Anders" Varric's reply of "Don't remind me; I'm the one that introduced them" sounded to me like he felt somewhat guilty. Poor Varric. :(

 

Sorry to say that, but I kind of have to agree... Varric was ultimately the one who pitched the idea of partnering with Hawke for the expedition (and we all knew what that led to) as well as the one who told him/her to go look for Anders because of the maps... Poor, lovable dwarf... Doesn't matter, he's still Varric... He's got Chesthair, so my argument is invalid I think^^

 

Also I would blame the Viscount as well... I mean, he's basically in charge of the city, but all he really does is mess things up even more^^ I agree that he could have sent an honour guard along with the Qunari delegates, because his failure to do so is what likely pushed the Arkishok over the edge that led to his death, which resulted in Meredith squeezing down the city...

 

And I'd say it's also the Mages fault. I mean seriously, how many mages does one meet in DA II that do not ultimately resort to Bloodmagic of some sort??? If they had a bit more restraint, Meredith likely wouldn't have been such a collosal pin in the virtual butt^^



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It was Dumat's fault to begin with. That as far as you can go in the chain of contingencies.