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[Beerfish]

MWImexico wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Yes of course they did, in a consistent manner thoughout.  They both had a very strong conviciton on the way things should be, both had good reasons for thinking that way and both moved throught the book in a consistent manner to try to imrpove things they felt were important.

Well, if it's done in a consistent manner, I guess it's all right

Neither one of them suddenly turned their backs on what they believed in or where down right traitors.  Both knew the consequences of what they were doing unlike the rest of the foolish, selfish cast of characters.

[Beerfish]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

MWImexico wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
Lambert and the red haired mage gal were the only truly sensible characters in the story. They had their views. They had good reasons for their views. The acted proactively on their views. They stayed consistent in their views. They did what they thought right for a higher calling than just themselves.

Seriously? They seem more the type of people who impose their views on others, by all means necessary. 

Yes of course they did, in a consistent manner thoughout.  They both had a very strong conviciton on the way things should be, both had good reasons for thinking that way and both moved throught the book in a consistent manner to try to imrpove things they felt were important.

I should mention again, that ideological certainty is not a virtue and not painted as one in this book. Both Lambert and Adrian exemplify the fact that It makes you blind to alternatives and unnecessarily confrontational. I think that message is very clear.

And that you justify imposing views on others if you're consistent about it just proves my point about blindness.

I think that is true of both sides of the coin.  I wouldn't disagree with that at all.  And in my opening post on the subject I never said that either one was 'right'.  However both were a lot more reasonable in their views than the falsely painted heros and heroins in the story who betrayed their morales, flip flopped on imporant issues or totally ignored them when it suited them or were simply stupid.  (Book smart, street stupid.)

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I should mention again, that ideological certainty is not a virtue

According to whom?

Because everyone has an ideology.
And anyone who follows his ideals strongly enough to fight for them then has idological certanty.
Even if that ideal is something liike...oh, I dunno.. "mages should be free"

[Shaigunjoe]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I should mention again, that ideological certainty is not a virtue

According to whom?

Because everyone has an ideology.
And anyone who follows his ideals strongly enough to fight for them then has idological certanty.
Even if that ideal is something liike...oh, I dunno.. "mages should be free"

According to the definition of virtue.

[Azaron Nightblade]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...
If I were to purchases one book from Bioware, should Asunder be that one book?

Please note that I am a fan of both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

Yes, it should. I've read all ME and DA books. David Gaider's books are better than anything ever written for ME, but The Stolen Throne and The Calling are still not really good. Asunder is good.

I haven't read any of the ME books, but as far as DA novels go - definitely.
It was one of those rare books that I actually finished in one long reading session - and it leaves me absolutely psyched for DA:I! 
While I liked The Calling and The Stolen Throne I found this one a definite step up from them - the result of natural talent honed by several years of experience.
Well done Mr Gaider!


SPOILERS: It also turned on my suspicions were pretty close.
I was trying to pick between two theories: A spirit that was there for the final moments of the young mage that died alone in the dark and "became" him or a spirit that was actually there when Cole and his little sister were hiding in the dark, and the real Cole never made it out of there alive.
Well, and a weaker 3rd one - that he actually got the suppressed, painful memories of one of the living Circle mages and his personality formed around those.