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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Yeah but who is to say if it would be better or worse? It was a couple of vague throaway lines in ONE mission in ME2, not really quite enough of a thread to be the end all for the series.

No I feel almost anyway the series ended we would of had a B*tchfest

What's preferable?  A couple of throwaway lines about dark energy, or some random b.s. that suddenly showed up right at the end?

Copied and pasted from my response on the Retake ME3: Initiative Log Facebook page:

My take is that this ending wouldn't have been "great", but it would have been "halfway decent". Better than what we got, anyway. Regardless, I'm more of a traditionalist. I just wanted every living being in the galaxy to band together and kick Reaper ass. I wanted to destroy the Reapers soundly and completely. It's not complicated.

I'm not saying it would be a one-sided curb stomp battle full of sunshine and rainbows, but it would definitely be a more optimistic ending. And there would be no forced, contrived choice to make at the end, and no magic.

[Argentoid]

Either it's

"Yo Dawg, to ensure you don't destroy the galaxy with dark energy we created devices that create so much dark energy that you can travel across the galaxy in hours without fuel, so you don't destroy the galaxy with dark energy!"

or

"Yo dawg I heard you don't wanna be killed by synthetics, so I made some synthetics to kill you every 50K years so you won't be killed by synthetics"

EDIT: I would have deeply hated that the Reapers were to be the good guys and Shepard the one who ****ed up their plans - twice (thus, the bad guy). 

Modifié par Argentoid, 20 juin 2013 - 07:16 .

[Steppenwolf]

Clearly they started the Mass Effect with only half an idea. It was always envisioned as a trilogy but they had no idea how it was going to end even while they were making the final installment? The story was doomed to fail from the start.

[AlanC9]

Argentoid wrote...


EDIT: I would have deeply hated that the Reapers were to be the good guys and Shepard the one who ****ed up their plans - twice (thus, the bad guy). 

I would have found this hilarious, but I'm a sucker for irony.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 juin 2013 - 07:35 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Clearly they started the Mass Effect with only half an idea. It was always envisioned as a trilogy but they had no idea how it was going to end even while they were making the final installment? The story was doomed to fail from the start.

This is correct.  Even as early as ME2, it became clear that they were making it up as they went along.

[ioannisdenton]

Star fury wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Would have been better than the crap reasoning that the Reapers got in the current game.

Pretty much.

.. no, just no. the current ending IF one plays leviathan is well done.

[Steppenwolf]

ioannisdenton wrote...

Star fury wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Would have been better than the crap reasoning that the Reapers got in the current game.

Pretty much.

.. no, just no. the current ending IF one plays leviathan is well done.

I completely disagree. Adding minor context to crap doesn't make crap less crappy. If anything it makes the entire series worse since Leviathans can just kill Reapers like it's easy.

[Eralrik]

The Endings we have are SPACE MAGIC An I kept thinking Morrigan was gonna pop out of the dimension she was in and surprise us with some more Space Magic at the end of ME3.

I don't believe in the ME3 endings and I end my game at the end of the Citadel dlc when everyone departs for the Normandy and their other business <Perfect ending for me> the other 4 endings are meaningless and do not exist in my game even with the extended cut it's still garbage.

Was disappointed that the Dark Matter was never explored or how the Reapers managed to enter our space if not by Dark Energy creating a hole in space for them to travel through, it's possible that Haystrom's sun succumbed to the Dark Energy and formed the portal to which the Reapers came into out universe but we'll never know as it was never explained.

[ioannisdenton]

BasilKarlo wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

Star fury wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Would have been better than the crap reasoning that the Reapers got in the current game.

Pretty much.

.. no, just no. the current ending IF one plays leviathan is well done.

I completely disagree. Adding minor context to crap doesn't make crap less crappy. If anything it makes the entire series worse since Leviathans can just kill Reapers like it's easy.

But the reapes are over-over-outnumbering Leviathans if you take into consideration that the catalyst's experiment has been going for billions of years..

[Steppenwolf]

ioannisdenton wrote...

But the reapes are over-over-outnumbering Leviathans if you take into consideration that the catalyst's experiment has been going for billions of years..

First off, I don't think billions of years is at all accurate. I may be wrong, but I don't think it's been stated anywhere that thr Reapers have been reaping for that long. That would work out to something like 40,000 individual Reapers(at least) and if that were the case they could have completely ravaged every civilized planet and race in the galaxy in a matter of days or even hours. Second, the Leviathans don't even have to be anywhere near Reapers to kill them. They have balls filled with magic that kill Reapers for them.

[ioannisdenton]

BasilKarlo wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

But the reapes are over-over-outnumbering Leviathans if you take into consideration that the catalyst's experiment has been going for billions of years..

First off, I don't think billions of years is at all accurate. I may be wrong, but I don't think it's been stated anywhere that thr Reapers have been reaping for that long. That would work out to something like 40,000 individual Reapers(at least) and if that were the case they could have completely ravaged every civilized planet and race in the galaxy in a matter of days or even hours. Second, the Leviathans don't even have to be anywhere near Reapers to kill them. They have balls filled with magic that kill Reapers for them.

lol at "balls"
The leviathan reaper according to the game is one billion years old..
here

[Argentoid]

AlanC9 wrote...

Argentoid wrote...


EDIT: I would have deeply hated that the Reapers were to be the good guys and Shepard the one who ****ed up their plans - twice (thus, the bad guy). 

I would have found this hilarious, but I'm a sucker for irony.

I see what you did there 

heheh

Modifié par Argentoid, 20 juin 2013 - 10:59 .

[AlanC9]

1 billion years doesn't necessarily mean 20,000 Reapers. Some cycles may have been busts.

[Steppenwolf]

AlanC9 wrote...

1 billion years doesn't necessarily mean 20,000 Reapers. Some cycles may have been busts.

What, the Reapers just threw up their flippers and said "Good effort, we'll get 'em next time. Let's take 50,000 years to cool off and clear our heads"?

[Argentoid]

AlanC9 wrote...

1 billion years doesn't necessarily mean 20,000 Reapers. Some cycles may have been busts.

20,000 Capital ships

What about Reaper destroyers?...

Modifié par Argentoid, 20 juin 2013 - 11:12 .

[o Ventus]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Yeah but who is to say if it would be better or worse? It was a couple of vague throaway lines in ONE mission in ME2, not really quite enough of a thread to be the end all for the series.

No I feel almost anyway the series ended we would of had a B*tchfest

 

It wasn't just a throwaway line, it was Tali's entire motivation for being on Haestrom.

And it's mentioned a fair number of times outside that mission.

[BioReaperEA]

All the speculation and criticism can be summed up to bad writing.

All writers of worth start a story by knowing its ending. Why, you may ask, because of this exact reason. People get confused because of events that don't support the ending and you quickly slap something together that isn't satisfying. When you know your ending, you can invent, imagine...add substance to the begining and middle to support the ending.

[Kroitz]

dreamgazer wrote...

blaidfiste wrote...

 More from Drew.  It relieved me to know that something else was planned.  

Yep. Something else just as bad.

[PsyrenY]

There is just as much space magic in this ending as in the published ones. Where's the outrage, BSN?

[Cainne Chapel]

o Ventus wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Yeah but who is to say if it would be better or worse? It was a couple of vague throaway lines in ONE mission in ME2, not really quite enough of a thread to be the end all for the series.

No I feel almost anyway the series ended we would of had a B*tchfest

 

It wasn't just a throwaway line, it was Tali's entire motivation for being on Haestrom.

And it's mentioned a fair number of times outside that mission.

It was mentioned on Tali's mention and once or twice during her Loyalty mission and possibly one other time outside of those two times.

Outside of that, Tali's race can ALSO be seen as a poster child for the Organic/Machine conflict all that way back to ME1, and which others have stated has even MORE of a basis than Dark Energy.   

But either way depending on whose looking at it, both are "Space magic" and both can be seen a silly as Dark Energy is used by Mass Relays... and quite often I might add.  Seems strange to harness and use an energy that's destabliziing the galaxy as a fuel doesn't it? 

But as even Drew said, someone people wouldn't be happy with ANY ending.  But I feel since its Drew, a lot of people give him a pass, even if something isn't exactly an improvement.

[AlanC9]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

It was mentioned on Tali's mention and once or twice during her Loyalty mission and possibly one other time outside of those two times.

Gianna Parasini mentions it on Ilium. That's about it.

[Cainne Chapel]

With that kind of heavy mentioning I'm surprised we didn't hear about any Alliance Corsairs either or why THEY didn't factor into ME3

Or Perhaps another salarian uplifting gone rogue?

[Fixers0]

For a planned trilogy, neither ending concept  actually recieved proper exposition in the installements leading up to the finale. How much time is devoted to the innate differences between the organics and synthetics and how much time is devoted to the matter of dark energy, combined it would probably less then 5% off the entirety of ME1 & ME2.

[Abraham_uk]

Dark Energy would have left a lot of people confused.

The organics vs synthetics concept is slightly easier to understand since it is a popular topic in science fiction.

However Dark Energy is just something that would require a lot of explanation.
A few words from a couple of Quarians isn't enough.


The only reason why I understand the Krogan Genophage scenario was that it was more than hinted at. It was explored. We had both Krogan and Salarian view points in both Mass Effect 2 & 3. Then we had an entire story arc dedicated towards the Krogan.


Organics and synthetics conflict was covered heavily in Mass Effect 2 & 3 with the Geth versus Quarians situation. So even then we had some frame of reference when dealing with the catalyst.


Dark Energy would have to be at the very least at the forefront of Mass Effect 3. Not suitable for a tacked on ending.