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[Rawgrim]

Trista Hawke wrote...

Well - my jaw is long. Bigger than what's "ideal". Heh

Thats a proper jaw. Be proud of it.

[Xerxes52]

From the recent video of DA:I my vote would be:

Yay. She looks fine to me, especially the small details like dirt, cuts, and helmet hair.

[Archaven]

I think Cassandra's jaw fine for me. But not Morrigan... *sweat*

[Fardreamer]

I think the main problem with the new looks is that they look too REAL. There's a certain appeal to many of us who have grown up with idealized, beautifully drawn characters. When they look too real, it takes some of the fantasy out of it.

[Solas]

zMataxa wrote...

Reading all these varied tastes, Bioware would do themselves a big favor if they gave a few mirror morph options for each companion.
Sweet, Beautiful, Character and tougher. Or something like that.

omg ew no that's an awful idea to me

I've said it before but I like how Cass looks, in both DAII and DA:I

Modifié par Carbon-based, 12 octobre 2013 - 05:44 .

[zMataxa]

Carbon-based wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

Reading all these varied tastes, Bioware would do themselves a big favor if they gave a few mirror morph options for each companion.
Sweet, Beautiful, Character and tougher. Or something like that.

omg ew no that's an awful idea to me

I've said it before but I like how Cass looks, in both DAII and DA:I

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Glad you like Cass's appearance.
As I wrote previously - my inquisitor approves too.

The idea is to make more people content with each companion character.
The range of Aveline mods I saw was quite impressive.
Why did they make those mods?

So you may like Cass, but others don't.
If player satisfaction goes up, then overall game success follows.
That means if you're thinking longer term - it increases the probability of sequels in the franchise.
So in short, success of the franchise is good for the studio and the longer-term fans.

PS.  As I wrote previously in another thread - I'm also fine with ALL the character appearances.
I think Bioware does an amazing job each time.

Modifié par zMataxa, 12 octobre 2013 - 06:23 .

[elvici]

From what I've seen, Cassandra (and Varric, and Morrigan for that matter) looks just fantastic. For the first time in the history of Thedas, we have gorgeous, realistic scars, as well as freckles, moles, and forgot-my-brolly wet skin effects. I couldn't be happier with the whole bally lot of 'em. 

Btw, Trista, your jaw - and face - is just lovely.

Modifié par elvici, 12 octobre 2013 - 06:54 .

[Afro_Explosion]

Trista Hawke wrote...

 Hey! As a woman with a big jaw, myself, I must advocate on behalf of Cassandra's pretty looks. Our facial features come in all shapes and sizes.

She real purdy ma

[Gaav]

Can't see anything wrong with Cassandra's jaw, but her eyebrows looks super weird in the trailer.

[Solas]

zMataxa wrote...

Carbon-based wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

Reading all these varied tastes, Bioware would do themselves a big favor if they gave a few mirror morph options for each companion.
Sweet, Beautiful, Character and tougher. Or something like that.

omg ew no that's an awful idea to me

I've said it before but I like how Cass looks, in both DAII and DA:I

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Glad you like Cass's appearance.
As I wrote previously - my inquisitor approves too.

The idea is to make more people content with each companion character.
The range of Aveline mods I saw was quite impressive.
Why did they make those mods?

So you may like Cass, but others don't.
If player satisfaction goes up, then overall game success follows.
That means if you're thinking longer term - it increases the probability of sequels in the franchise.
So in short, success of the franchise is good for the studio and the longer-term fans.

PS.  As I wrote previously in another thread - I'm also fine with ALL the character appearances.
I think Bioware does an amazing job each time.

oh I know you/your inquisitor like the way Cass looks, the second line of my post was more addressed to the thread in general but I didn't make that clear

sorry but I just find the idea of a hotness toggle = better game success and franchise longevity silly
those things are much more based on quality of gameplay and writing, and things like concerns like repeating environments being addressed. contentness with a character should be more based on their actions, personality and opinions not how they look

people can mod all they want thats fine. but in the base game characters should have a distinct physical appearance (not talking about armor or clothing) that suits them as characters. they dont all have to be hot and shouldn't have to come with a hotness edition just to please people

Modifié par Carbon-based, 12 octobre 2013 - 08:16 .

[zMataxa]

Carbon-based wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

Glad you like Cass's appearance.
As I wrote previously - my inquisitor approves too.

The idea is to make more people content with each companion character.
The range of Aveline mods I saw was quite impressive.
Why did they make those mods?

So you may like Cass, but others don't.
If player satisfaction goes up, then overall game success follows.
That means if you're thinking longer term - it increases the probability of sequels in the franchise.
So in short, success of the franchise is good for the studio and the longer-term fans.

PS.  As I wrote previously in another thread - I'm also fine with ALL the character appearances.
I think Bioware does an amazing job each time.

oh I know you/your inquisitor like the way Cass looks, the second line of my post was more addressed to the thread in general but I didn't make that clear

sorry but I just find the idea of a hotness toggle = better game success and franchise longevity silly
those things are much more based on quality of gameplay and writing, and things like concerns like repeating environments being addressed. contentness with a character should be more based on their actions, personality and opinions not how they look

people can mod all they want thats fine. but in the base game characters should have a distinct physical appearance (not talking about armor or clothing) that suits them as characters. they dont all have to be hot and shouldn't have to come with a hotness edition just to please people

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Hey Carbon,
I totally share your approach  - in terms of my OWN approach for enjoying the game.
I think it amazing what Bioware creates every time.

To you and me, at first glance it would  seem "silly" for them to offer options for "hotness".
But another part of me also sees this from a strategic long-term view. 

IMO, one logistical fact must be dealt with. 
As Bioware sinks more and more $ into the whole immersion experience (VA, cutscenes, multiple interaction options, adding new innovative layers of features), they need to make sure it remains a lucrative venture.
Otherwise they risk setbacks, or a chance of worse than setbacks for this franchise.
That would simply be terrible, because there is no studio even close to them in terms of content and ambiance of this type.
So they either need to charge more, cut back on content, or get more fans.
(or the other choice is - they just slide back into a comfortable niche - but I'm sure that's NOT where their eyes are right now.)

Take for example, Kate Beckinsale vs Rhona Mitra.
Who draws a bigger pool of  audience dollars?  I compare them, because they have occupied some similar entertainment niches.
In short, more people spend more time with Kate than they do with Rhona.
Though those of us who adore Rhona (and indeed prefer Rhona) are a dedicated smaller group.

So getting back to the issue, having the default characters appear on the "stage" at game start should carry on.  In other words, the original artistic vision remains as it twere.
But then add a switch upfront for companion morphing based on "tastes" for those who complain - "too this - too that"  Again, I can't help but bring up Aveline - and now Cassandra and aged Morrigan are bringing up the same type of debates.
It's really only a face morph.  But it plays along the lines that people have definate tastes about what they like and don't like, and if they don't like - they are not as likely to buy or finish the game.
Who finishes a movie or game when the character doesn't appeal?  Some do, some don't.
I just finished the Witcher 2, but it took me a year, because the characters were not really my thing.
But I finished it more for the reason as a study of interactive story-telling.
(PS.  This was the short condensed "twist and turn" explanation:? ).

Modifié par zMataxa, 13 octobre 2013 - 09:12 .

[azarhal]

zMataxa wrote...

Take for example, Kate Beckinsale vs Rhona Mitra.
Who draws a bigger pool of  audience dollars?  I compare them, because they have occupied some similar entertainment niches.
In short, more people spend more time with Kate than they do with Rhona.
Though those of us who adore Rhona (and indeed prefer Rhona) are a dedicated smaller group.

Kate might draw a bigger pool simply because she's more known world wide and played in blockbuster movies. I had to google Rhona and looks like I haven't watched anything she has been in beside Underworld Rise of the Lycans (and funny enough, it's the only Underworld movie not centred on Selene aka Kate Beckinsale).

This doesn't really have anything to do with the thread though...

Modifié par azarhal, 13 octobre 2013 - 09:56 .

[Wiggs Magee]

Purely as a superficial point..
Not a big fan of the chin myself..
Or the Miranda-ish lips now..
But again, thats all down to personal taste...
What i think of her will come down to 70% character 25% VA which i haven't really seen yet

[Shasow]

Nay, I do not like the way she looks.

[zMataxa]

azarhal wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

Take for example, Kate Beckinsale vs Rhona Mitra.
Who draws a bigger pool of  audience dollars?  I compare them, because they have occupied some similar entertainment niches.
In short, more people spend more time with Kate than they do with Rhona.
Though those of us who adore Rhona (and indeed prefer Rhona) are a dedicated smaller group.

Kate might draw a bigger pool simply because she's more known world wide and played in blockbuster movies. I had to google Rhona and looks like I haven't watched anything she has been in beside Underworld Rise of the Lycans (and funny enough, it's the only Underworld movie not centred on Selene aka Kate Beckinsale).

This doesn't really have anything to do with the thread though...

This thread was about Yay or Nay on the appeal of a character's appearance (Cassandra in this thread).
I believe the popularity of one actress compared to another that occupy similar genres has every relevance to this thread.
The debate on what appearances should be included in DAI - hinges on people's tastes.

I don't think you're going the extra step to account for why she's more "successful" appearance-wise.
Why has Kate played in more block buster movies? 
Why did Kate get more airtime - and appearances in bigger movies?
Was it luck?  I would say Not really.

Why are some people more popular than others?  Is it luck?
Or is it a package of traits that make them appeal to MORE people than the next person?
If you study the Aveline mods and the modifications they made from the original  - you'll start to see patterns of what people gravitate away from and towards.

Marketing is slowly going into overdrive soon, for those who know how to harness it (like Google).

Modifié par zMataxa, 15 octobre 2013 - 04:26 .

[azarhal]

zMataxa wrote...

I don't think you're going the extra step to account for why she's more "successful" appearance-wise.
Why has Kate played in more block buster movies? 
Why did Kate get more airtime - and appearances in bigger movies?
Was it luck?  I would say Not really.

A bit of luck, but mostly marketing, connections and goals. Kate moved to the US early to play in big international movies and succeeded (now it's mostly her husband's movies she play in). Ronah Mitra played in a lot of TV shows. Totally different carrier path with different level of worldwide marketing. Put Ronah in a blockbuster movie and her popularity will shoot up, but it doesn't mean Ronah is interested in blockbuster movies. Some actors prefer stage or TV shows.

zMataxa wrote...
If you study the Aveline mods and the modifications they made from the
original  - you'll start to see patterns of what people gravitate away
from and towards.

People also did mods for Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan in DAO...

[DatOneFanboy]

David Gaider wrote...

I find this thread odd.


"She has a giant jaw! It's huge!"

It's not that big, really. She does have very strong features though. I agree.

"Well you should change them!"

Why?

"So she would be prettier!"

What makes you think that making her conventionally pretty was the artists' primary goal?

"If she's not pretty enough, I won't want to have sex with her!"

I'm sure she'll be terribly disappointed, assuming she's even a romance.

"It doesn't matter if she's a romance!"

Ah. Well, you should probably know that we don't evaluate every character in the game by how pretty or how handsome they are. The artists are interested in making distinctive characters, not supermodels.

"Those are not mutually exclusive!"

No, I wouldn't normally think so either, but perhaps we're not reading the same thread.


Personally, I think there's bound to be some tweaking in the months to come-- so feel free to comment away-- but if anyone believes that tweaking will be aimed solely at making her more "pleasing to the eye" they've got another thing coming. Just FYI.

Implying thats how we think? 
No the truth is that people like pretty faces. theres nothing wrong with that right, if u put a oversized jaw on a character thats where the center of the attention is going to be, Doesnt matter how the artists wanted it, People want pretty faces in a nutshell. . this is not my opinion this is a the usual opinion of the gaming society , Cause i yet have no opinion since this game hasnt been released yet

[The Elder King]

@DatOneFanboy: first, beauty is subjective. What you might find beautiful might not be beautiful for another person.
Second: talk for yourself about wanting pretty characters. I don't have problems with main characters or LI (which Cassandra might not even be) not being beautiful, or pretty.
Third, Cassandra's jaw doesn't seem that much ovesized in the last screenshot (which is completely different from her face in the trailer, and not only for the jaw), and we don't even have a good angle. And people seem to forget that her jaw was already bigger than average in DA2. I don't see much difference in Cassandra's jaw size in DA2 and the PAX demo.

Modifié par hhh89, 15 octobre 2013 - 04:14 .

[Mathias]

People still complaining about the jaw? Should I bring into perspective what an actual big jawline looks like for a female video game character?
http://i.imgur.com/uHo9D.jpg

DatOneFanboy wrote...
Implying thats how we think? 
No the truth is that people like pretty faces. theres nothing wrong with that right, if u put a oversized jaw on a character thats where the center of the attention is going to be, Doesnt matter how the artists wanted it, People want pretty faces in a nutshell. . this is not my opinion this is a the usual opinion of the gaming society , Cause i yet have no opinion since this game hasnt been released yet

Well maybe Bioware needs to teach gaming society not to be so shallow. Personally I'd be let down if she wasn't a romance, especially since there hasn't been a female warrior romance yet. It'd be Aveline 2.0.

[zMataxa]

azarhal wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

I don't think you're going the extra step to account for why she's more "successful" appearance-wise.
Why has Kate played in more block buster movies? 
Why did Kate get more airtime - and appearances in bigger movies?
Was it luck?  I would say Not really.

A bit of luck, but mostly marketing, connections and goals. Kate moved to the US early to play in big international movies and succeeded (now it's mostly her husband's movies she play in). Ronah Mitra played in a lot of TV shows. Totally different carrier path with different level of worldwide marketing. Put Ronah in a blockbuster movie and her popularity will shoot up, but it doesn't mean Ronah is interested in blockbuster movies. Some actors prefer stage or TV shows.

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To me, that's like saying the feminine-beautiful woman and the overall tom-boyish leaning woman have the same chances of getting popular on a very largescale mainstream level ASSUMING they are relatively even personality wise and don't bring special traits to the table like for example Lady Gaga's fantasy outlandishness, or Ellen Degenerness' speaking/wit abilities. 
  I think you're not factoring in the reality of hard-wired instincts thousands of years in the brewing via natural selection - when it comes to society's ideas of feminine attractiveness, and how these tastes are distributed through the human population at large.

azarhal wrote...

zMataxa wrote...
If you study the Aveline mods and the modifications they made from the
original  - you'll start to see patterns of what people gravitate away
from and towards.

People also did mods for Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan in DAO...

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Yup, sure that is true.
I brought up Aveline up because I was suprised at the range of interpretations for her, and the fact that this discussion makes me think most of Aveline (who, i should say, i liked just as she appeared).
They didn't just morph her a little bit - but, in my eyes, they morphed her alot.
Which is why I mentioned "range" in my very first Aveline comment.
The ranges i saw were:  Aveline ended up sweet, soft, to beautiful, to more unusual in other appearance ways.  It was almost as if Aveline was so extreme in appearance - that  several players couldn't help but majorly reshape her in the direction they neeeded to see.

Modifié par zMataxa, 15 octobre 2013 - 07:21 .

[zMataxa]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Well maybe Bioware needs to teach gaming society not to be so shallow. Personally I'd be let down if she wasn't a romance, especially since there hasn't been a female warrior romance yet. It'd be Aveline 2.0.

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Hey Mdoggy,
Teaching the gaming society?
I think that's like trying to change if you like chocolate, brussel sprouts, sour herrings, burgers, tofu etc..
You can make them accept it.
But IMO gaming is about enjoying and feeling at home.

As for Cassandra not romanceable.  Yeah, I'm totally with you there.  It would be a bigger disappointment if she wans't romanceable - UNLESS there's a suprising suitable replacement.

Modifié par zMataxa, 15 octobre 2013 - 07:22 .

[Mathias]

zMataxa wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Well maybe Bioware needs to teach gaming society not to be so shallow. Personally I'd be let down if she wasn't a romance, especially since there hasn't been a female warrior romance yet. It'd be Aveline 2.0.

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Hey Mdoggy,
Teaching the gaming society?
I think that's like trying to change if you like chocolate, brussel sprouts, sour herrings, burgers, tofu etc..
You can make them accept it.
But IMO gaming is about enjoying and feeling at home.

As for Cassandra not romanceable.  Yeah, I'm totally with you there.  It would be a bigger disappointment if she wans't romanceable - UNLESS there's a suprising suitable replacement.

Well I was half serious, I know you can't change people. But some people on the BSN should quit being so shallow. I mean to say you overall don't like a person's look because of one thing is kinda stupid imo. 

I am hoping Cassandra can be romanced, because in a game like this her type of character and personality is the kind've women I'm into. So it would be nice. Plus that french accent. 

[zMataxa]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I am hoping Cassandra can be romanced, because in a game like this her type of character and personality is the kind've women I'm into. So it would be nice. Plus that french accent. 

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French accent?  You have exquisite tastes!!