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[Ticonderoga117]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
The way I was looking at it was this: a small team at Cerberus basically engineered a miracle procedure in a couple years with the help of one rich guy and his financial backers, so the whole galaxy coming together and pouring just about all their resources into the Crucible device means we're looking at something even bigger than 'Lazarus.

The Crucible only really takes effort to believe with Sync. Other two? Not real far-fetched.

Small team? Weren't there a few cells running different parts?

And I can see where you're coming from. I just have a hard time with the scale of it and how much of a change it really does.

However, why didn't the Reapers ever do this then? If organics with a time and budget restrictions can do it, why not Reapers? Yes they did try before supposedly, but the difference between now and then is... very vague.

I guess this is really just a matter of how well one can suspend thier disbelief. I just can't for this issue. Oh well.

And Destroy and Control I don't have a problem with disbelief. I just question why those mechanisms have the WORST interface in the history of man.

[Remix-General Aetius]

ioannisdenton wrote...
seriously afetrt the battle of the citadel in Me1 did you expect a conventional victory? i did not.
Casting Warp or concussive shot to a reaper would be stupid and hilarious

Yet during the cinematics on Earth, an asari is clearly seen launching a Warp missile against the Reaper destroyer. didn't even begin to phase it, only pissed it off and then it left a scorch mark where she'd been previously standing. maybe she should've spent more time in a military school than a sleazy bar, huh?

stupid primitive, she shoulda learnt Flare instead.

Modifié par TheGarden2010, 20 juin 2013 - 06:23 .

[Nightwriter]

I'm not sure what you expect. The Catalyst is the worst-chosen exposition mouthpiece I have seen in a long time. He invited the kind of fan reaction you are protesting.

[KaiserShep]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

And Destroy and Control I don't have a problem with disbelief. I just question why those mechanisms have the WORST interface in the history of man.

You can't give Shepard a dramatic death if all he/she had to do is tap a holographic button. 

[SpamBot2000]

Shut up about your head canon, OP. We all know what's what. That ain't no in-universe choice.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 20 juin 2013 - 06:37 .

[Ticonderoga117]

KaiserShep wrote...

You can't give Shepard a dramatic death if all he/she had to do is tap a holographic button. 

I'd disagree with that, but forcing Shep to die anyway is stupid.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Shut up about your head canon, OP. We all know what's what.

NYYYEEEEUUUHHHHHHH!!!!!

[naes1984]

No. I'll keep whining. And the Crucible isn't the only serious problem with the game's story and logic within its own universe for example:
1. Cerberus going from a terrorist organization of 150 agents organized in task oriented cells to being the largest (and best equipped) military in the universe within a span of 6-12 months. Having to spend half your time fighting Cerberus was a huge miscalculation and bogs down the story.
2. The first two games pound into your head that the Reapers can't be allowed to invade from Dark Space or else it is over. The logical story solution for ME3 would have been figuring out a way to permanently prevent the Reapers from returning from dark space which the codex says is the only time Reapers are vulnerable. So what do they do? Have the Reapers invade from dark space , wipe out the Batarians (conveniently getting rid of that story thread) and occupy Earth to give us an "emotional" connection and give us a Michael Bay movie. The only writing solution then becomes a magical "I-win" Prothean superweapon. It is a classic example of writing one's self into a corner. The Crucible is just a small part of that larger problem.
3. There is absolutely no attempt to prove the Reaper's existence to the council. It's not as if you have mountains of data and connections to prove it, testimony from your crew (including an asari justicar... a person the asari counselor would have to believe, and a former member of STG) or anything like that. No no no. We have to make everyone too stupid until it is too late because that's what the plot requires.
4. Udina's coup literally makes no sense it whatsoever and one can only explain it by saying "He was desperate" or "He was indoctrinated". If I killed the ambassador of Japan or France, I wouldn't get to take control of Japan or France's military. That seems to be Udina's thought process though and it is too laughably stupid to be explained with desperation. Stating that he must have been indoctrinated is like trying to explain every plot hole in Star Wars as "the will of the force."
5. Choices that don't go anywhere. Kill/Save Council= Alien Council in ME3 no matter what! Anderson/Udina= Udina is councilor no matter what. Save/Destroy Collector Base= Cerberus gets the tech anyway.
6 Dark Energy. Nevermind. 

Modifié par naes1984, 20 juin 2013 - 09:28 .

[Wolfva2]

Bill Casey wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Yes, that's exactly what theyr'e saying because THEY WROTE THE STORY.  Don't like it?  Delete it from your computer and walk away.  Because YOU don't get to tell OTHER PEOPLE how to write a story.

Actually I do...

Well.  Ok.  Sure, you get to tell people how to write a story, or what to do.  Same as you get to shout at the sun, "DON"T EFFING RISE DAGNABBIT!"  We'll all do the exact same thing as the sun and simply ignore your childish temper tantrum as you stomp your feet and scream that the world should be what YOU want it to be instead of what it IS.

Have fun in your impotence!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Wolfva2 -- don't fret. Some day you will yell at a cloud. It will happen. Trust me.

[Tonymac]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Wolfva2 -- don't fret. Some day you will yell at a cloud. It will happen. Trust me.

Sure.   But why?

[KiwiQuiche]

Yeah, those are all the Crucible functions. Totally Crucible only. That's why the scientists figured it out when they were building the thing from scratch and why the options/Choices were on the Crucible not the Citadel.









Oh no wait, that didn't happen.

[ruggly]

I agree more with steelcan's theory. Destroy being the main function of the crucible, control of the citadel, and synth being a combo. It just presents and explains (albeit not well) those choices to you, though I disagree with how they did it.

[Samtheman63]

he also says the crucible is merely a power source

[iOnlySignIn]

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yeah, uh-huh, no input from him whatsoever, right, sure.

One of the choices just happens to coincide with a solution he was trying to achieve in the first place because someone got lucky and guessed the problem the Reapers were trying to solve, and than had the technological know how to achieve something even the Reapers(the most advanced race in the galaxy) couldn't using their own technology and an adaptive Duracell. Yeah I'm convinced.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 20 juin 2013 - 12:24 .

[N7recruit]

It's a bit confusing when you match up the Pictures with the explanation from the Catalyst as they don't really mesh too well. (Not that GlowBoy fits with anything but that's a different discussion)

For the choices to be crucible functions then the designer's would have to be Leviathan. As they are the only race (that we know of) who know about the Catalyst or the Reaper's motivation. Plus they would be about as technically advanced as the Reapers @ least at the start.

But since this is not the case we kinda have to just roll with it & accept that "we would not know them and there is not enough time to explain" LOL

You have to wonder though who the hell came up with the concept of the Choices if they were built into the Crucible, some dude just took a random guess & said "If everyone is cyborg & synthetics have the feels the Reapers will stop killing us!"
"What the hell are you talking about?"
"Just shut up and do it!!"

[Steelcan]

Steelcan wrote...

I'd say Destroy comes from the Crucible, it is its known function. Control comes from the Citadel/Catalyst. These devices working in conjunction, organic and synthetic combined, make synthesis possible

.  Ill just put thos back down

[Dubozz]

Bill Casey wrote...

It changes everything...
You can't win...

You lose in every ending unless you're a goddamn sociopath...

me3 ending in a nutshell

[KaiserShep]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

You can't give Shepard a dramatic death if all he/she had to do is tap a holographic button. 

I'd disagree with that, but forcing Shep to die anyway is stupid.

I agree that it's stupid, but the thing is, if all Shepard had to do was use conventional controls, how would any of that crazy stuff that happens go down in the first place? 

[CronoDragoon]

N7recruit wrote...
For the choices to be crucible functions then the designer's would have to be Leviathan.

I've actually read a few topics concerning this that I really like. They essentially posit that it was the Leviathans who created the Crucible plans, and gave them to a cycle while remaining hidden to the Catalyst. This would also make the persistence of the Crucible plans from cycle to cycle more believable, if the Leviathans were always there to drop off the Crucible plans again whenever they were destroyed in the previous cycle.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 juin 2013 - 02:27 .

[David7204]

Frankly, as long as the Crucible was even partially constructed, it seems incredibly unlikely that the Reapers wouldn't know about it.

Besides, that raises a huge issue. If the Leviathans knew about the Crucible, why wouldn't they have tried to build it themselves between cycles?

Modifié par David7204, 20 juin 2013 - 02:32 .

[Iakus]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

You can't give Shepard a dramatic death if all he/she had to do is tap a holographic button. 

I'd disagree with that, but forcing Shep to die anyway is stupid.

This

Dubozz wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It changes everything...
You can't win...

You lose in every ending unless you're a goddamn sociopath...

me3 ending in a nutshell

That

Edit:  on second thought, a bit of an overstatement.  But it takes either really low exectations or some serious logical contortions to see them as "wins"

Modifié par iakus, 20 juin 2013 - 02:45 .

[CronoDragoon]

David7204 wrote...

Frankly, as long as the Crucible was even partially constructed, it seems incredibly unlikely that the Reapers wouldn't know about it.

But we know they didn't, since the Catalyst tells us he only became aware of its existence a few cycles ago. I agree it's unlikely, but it seems to be the case

Besides, that raises a huge issue. If the Leviathans knew about the Crucible, why wouldn't they have tried to build it themselves between cycles?

What does the Leviathan say when Shepard asks him about the Crucible? I don't remember and my computer at work doesn't have a sound card to check YT, but it seemed to me the Leviathan knew what the Crucible was, yet was shifty and evasive in answering.