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[sandalisthemaker]

 It is a common trend in videogames (in media in general really) to make any and all female characters with important roles beautiful.  Even if they are background NPC's chances are they will be at least reasonably attractive. The only times they are not attractive are if they are meant to be disliked by the audience. Not necessarily villains, since the majority of female villains are portrayed as "sexy" and use their looks to their advantage.

It gets to the point where if female characters deviate at all from commonly held standards of beauty, they are (sometimes viciously) picked apart and criticized. Examples of this can be seen in this very forum.

Less emphasis tends to be placed on the appearance of male characters.  Men are allowed to be average looking and even downright ugly. The same cannot be said for female characters. This is a product of our society, in which sky high standards of beauty are placed on women, but not on men.

An example of what I am talking about that is DA related would be Loghain and Anora.




They are father and daughter, yet they look nothing alike. Anora is blonde and conventionally attractive/pretty, while Loghain has black hair and is not conventionally attractive. One would think that Anora would bear at least some resemblance to her father.  Why isn't her nose large and hooked, for example? Is it because she is female and has an important role in the story and therefore she *must* be attractive?  Is it because ruling alongside her is an option for male human nobles and again she *has* to be attractive for that reason?
 Alternatively, why doesn't Loghain bear more of a resemblance to his daughter? Why couldn't he be handsome? Is it because he is a (male) villain, and therefore he *must* be ugly? Is it because his ambition and quest for power trumps his physical appearance?

So, I am advocating for a greater spectrum of physical appearance for DA:I's characters. From the major players to the lowliest of NPC's.  Especially for women.  Let there be plain Janes and (gasp) conventionally un-attractive women with greater roles in the story. Flemeth was a great example in DA:O, and yet she was sexified in the sequel.  
There can still be (and there will still be) beautiful female characters such as Cassandra, but variety would be nice. The same goes for male characters.

[Chris Priestly]

Just curious. How much do you think Angelina Jolie looks like her father Jon Voight?

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 19 juin 2013 - 10:57 .

[Azaron Nightblade]

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Flemeth was a great example in DA:O, and yet she was sexified in the sequel.  
There can still be (and there will still be) beautiful female characters such as Cassandra, but variety would be nice. The same goes for male characters.

Flemeth is also a powerful, shapeshifting Witch - I suspect she can appear pretty much anyway that she wants.
Also, you are forgetting Meredith from DA2 - who played a big role in the story, and wasn't exactly a princess.

[devSin]

Because their face-gen tech is still relatively limited (I think, in Origins, they weren't yet even scanning any faces?). There's only so many sliders they can manipulate to deviate from their base models and still come away with something that is recognizably human (and not somebody trying to purposely make something silly).

I wouldn't expect much improvement in DA3 (I imagine it's still going to be basically the same FaceFX tech), although they do live face scans a lot more now. But I wouldn't expect that to really benefit any family resemblance issues or other such situations (though I guess they could scan faces of relatives if they really thought it was worthwhile).

Modifié par devSin, 19 juin 2013 - 11:03 .

[Adela]

well Loghain looked pretty nice on the cover of the book stolen throne, so i guess sice he has a 20year old doughter he got kinda old

[franciscoamell]

Aveline is an important female character and she's ugly. Imo at least.

As is Marethari. And Bethany depending on your Hawke's look.

[Adela]

devSin wrote...

Because their face-gen tech is pretty crappy (I think, in Origins, they weren't yet scanning any faces?). There's only so many sliders they can manipulate to deviate from their base models and still come away with something that is recognizably human (and not somebody trying to purposely make something silly).

I wouldn't expect much improvement in DA3 (I imagine it's still going to be basically the same FaceFX tech), although they do live scans a lot more now. But I wouldn't expect that to really benefit any family resemblance issues or other such situations (though I guess they could scan faces of relatives if they really thought it was worthwhile).

 those live scans  cost quite a bit of money  face fx is a bit more "cheaper" i think  also ur talking about face animation not  face modeling

[Azaron Nightblade]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Just curious. How much do you think Angelina Jolie looks like her father Jon Voight?

Yep! I'll add Mr Bean's (Rowan Atkinson) daughter to that list of kids who look nothing like their father!

[Maria Caliban]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Just curious. How much do you think Angelina Jolie looks like her father Jon Voight?

While more slender, she shares a lot of her looks with a young Jon Voight. As he got older, his face changed.

[Daralii]

devSin wrote...

Because their face-gen tech is still relatively limited (I think, in Origins, they weren't yet even scanning any faces?). There's only so many sliders they can manipulate to deviate from their base models and still come away with something that is recognizably human (and not somebody trying to purposely make something silly).

I wouldn't expect much improvement in DA3 (I imagine it's still going to be basically the same FaceFX tech), although they do live face scans a lot more now. But I wouldn't expect that to really benefit any family resemblance issues or other such situations (though I guess they could scan faces of relatives if they really thought it was worthwhile).

I think the first time they did face scanning was for ME2, in 2010.

[sandalisthemaker]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Just curious. How much do you think Angelina Jolie looks like her father Jon Voight?

Yes, but neither of them are designed and created by an art team. Loghain's appearance is intentional as is Anora's. They both conform to common tropes of how men and women are depicted in regards to their roles in a story.

[RohnanJon]

Sex sells. Sad but true.

[sandalisthemaker]

RohnanJon wrote...

Sex sells. Sad but true.

And who is the primary target?

Which gender is more likely to be portrayed as sexy? Which gender is more likely to be designed with looks being paramount?

[Iakus]

I don't mind having hot/attractive characters in a game. It just gets distracting when it's taken up to really silly levels (Isabela) or when a character is given a makeover specifically to add "sex appeal" (Ashley Williams) Basically I'd just like to see a character who looks like they can perform their jobs, including combat, with proficiency.

I mean, I thought Aveline was attractive and she spent most of DA2 in plate armor.

[Potato Cat]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Flemeth was a great example in DA:O, and yet she was sexified in the sequel.  
There can still be (and there will still be) beautiful female characters such as Cassandra, but variety would be nice. The same goes for male characters.

Flemeth is also a powerful, shapeshifting Witch - I suspect she can appear pretty much anyway that she wants.
Also, you are forgetting Meredith from DA2 - who played a big role in the story, and wasn't exactly a princess.

Meredith may have been in her forties or something, but she was definitely quite attractive.

But OP, I agree, I don't like it either. The only reason I can give for Anora being so beautiful is that she wouldn't have been married to the King of Fereldan if she looked like a foot, or to be 'surprising' when you discover she's just as power grabby as her dad, when until that point she'd been portrayed as the good guy in the Loghain/Howe cutscenes.

[sandalisthemaker]

Elfman wrote...

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Flemeth was a great example in DA:O, and yet she was sexified in the sequel.  
There can still be (and there will still be) beautiful female characters such as Cassandra, but variety would be nice. The same goes for male characters.

Flemeth is also a powerful, shapeshifting Witch - I suspect she can appear pretty much anyway that she wants.
Also, you are forgetting Meredith from DA2 - who played a big role in the story, and wasn't exactly a princess.

Meredith may have been in her forties or something, but she was definitely quite attractive.

But OP, I agree, I don't like it either. The only reason I can give for Anora being so beautiful is that she wouldn't have been married to the King of Fereldan if she looked like a foot, or to be 'surprising' when you discover she's just as power grabby as her dad, when until that point she'd been portrayed as the good guy in the Loghain/Howe cutscenes.

Yes. You win.

[Thetford]

Yes, Howe has an unfortunate resemblance to Prince Charles ... anyway, in video games, it's easier to make "pretty" faces than "plain" ones due to humans seeing attractiveness in symmetry (all faces are symmetrical), so you have to go out of your way to make them unattractive.

[Daralii]

Elfman wrote...

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Flemeth was a great example in DA:O, and yet she was sexified in the sequel.  
There can still be (and there will still be) beautiful female characters such as Cassandra, but variety would be nice. The same goes for male characters.

Flemeth is also a powerful, shapeshifting Witch - I suspect she can appear pretty much anyway that she wants.
Also, you are forgetting Meredith from DA2 - who played a big role in the story, and wasn't exactly a princess.

Meredith may have been in her forties or something, but she was definitely quite attractive.

But OP, I agree, I don't like it either. The only reason I can give for Anora being so beautiful is that she wouldn't have been married to the King of Fereldan if she looked like a foot, or to be 'surprising' when you discover she's just as power grabby as her dad, when until that point she'd been portrayed as the good guy in the Loghain/Howe cutscenes.

Compared to Loghain and Howe, Urthemiel would seem like a good guy too.

Modifié par Daralii, 19 juin 2013 - 11:16 .

[iorveth1271]

A bit of variety in terms of character creation that goes beyond the simple facial appearance and allows you to pick a different body mass, maybe similar to the system used in TOR, would IMO be most welcome. I think that needs way more variety in general, considering that all women in the previous installments had serious cases of anorexia and pretty much every guy had a sixpack like Alistair or Oghren.

Long as it's not overdone, I'd be fine with it.

[TCBC_Freak]

Fundamentally this isn't about games, or DA, it's about entertainment. It's the same in movies, and even books, TV, and graphic novels. The reason is because they exist in a fantasy world, no matter how real the story they are trying to tell or where or when it is set it is a fantasy. It's not that "Sex Sells," that can be part of it sure, but most of the people in DA aren't over to the top sexuality (other than Isabel, but that's one in the whole cast) like you find in DoA or something. It's about telling a story, you need the peaks, peaks of beauty, peaks of evil, peaks of good, theses things are needed and help tell the story. It's basic story telling. Can it be flipped? Yes, but it's not easy, and it has be done for more than just doing it "because."

[PsychoBlonde]

Did you forget about this?



I do agree that more options RE general body models and overall face proportions would be EXTREMELY welcome, but I'm not holding my breath, this is Dragon Age not Character Customization: The Game.

One thing that HAS irked me for quite some time is that your LI always tells you that you're beautiful if you're playing a female character.  ALWAYS.  I'm glad you feel that way but do you think you could find some OTHER attribute to remark on?

Modifié par PsychoBlonde, 19 juin 2013 - 11:22 .

[sandalisthemaker]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

 Can it be flipped? Yes, but it's not easy, and it has be done for more than just doing it "because."

What do you mean by 'Can it be flipped?'

[Sylvius the Mad]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

Yep! I'll add Mr Bean's (Rowan Atkinson) daughter to that list of kids who look nothing like their father!

They're quite similar.  Look at the nose, and the shape of the lips.  And around the eyes.

I see a lot of Rowan Atkinson in her.