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[Petroclis]

 It would seem to me that the time is right for the Dragon Age writers to finally reveal much of the secrets about major characters and connect the dots dribbled throught the games, novels, and comics (all of which I have forked over ample dollars to obtain.)  In The Stolen Throne, we know that king Maric had to pay Flemeth "a price" for safe passage through the wilds.  This involved him going into the hut with her for the night (hint--they did the nasty together).  In Origins, we met Flementh's daughter, Morrigan.  Someone has to be her daddy, and Maric is the only guy we know of who got down with Flemmeth in the dragon age.  From the recent comics, we learn that old god blood is in the Theirin line.  We also know that Morrigan's dark ritual (which happens regardless of you being the sperm donor) is her attempt to capture the soul of an old god and bring it back free of the taint.  Flemeth may have been unable to do this herself because she lacks a trace of old god blood and failed to possess Morigan's body in Origins.  On her own, Morrigan decides to pursue the dark ritual that she learned about at the same time she learned of Flemeth's plan to possess her.  She wisely chose to not inform the Warden about this.  Morrigan keeps the "son" of hers "beyond the reach" of even the Warden and she masters the eluvian.  Dragon Age lore tells us if you aren't in the material world you are in the Fade.  Hardly seems a stretch to conclude that Morrigan and her "child" have found a way to physically enter the fade, like the ancient Tevinter mages.  Now we see the Inquisition trailer where the Veil is torn and out drops a dragon that is neither high dragon or archdemon.  I propose that this is, in fact, Urthemiel, reborn as the ultimate goal of Morrigan (and Flemeth) to unleash a power on Thedas strong enough to change the world.  As an aside, Morigan is the rightful queen of Fereldan!

[GodWood]

Paragraphs please.

Petroclis wrote...
We also know that Morrigan's dark ritual (which happens regardless of you being the sperm donor)

False.

[Petroclis]

You are correct. If you turn down Morrigan's offer, and don't convince Alistair or Loghain to do the deed, she turns into a dog and leaves you permanently, but who's to say she didn't then offer the same deal to the Orlesian warden? With her shape-shifting, she could've tailed you all the way to the final battle to finish the ritual.

[Adela]

Petroclis wrote...

You are correct. If you turn down Morrigan's offer, and don't convince Alistair or Loghain to do the deed, she turns into a dog and leaves you permanently, but who's to say she didn't then offer the same deal to the Orlesian warden? With her shape-shifting, she could've tailed you all the way to the final battle to finish the ritual.

she didnt because she said that it has to be a newly made warden  reordin  was tainted long befor alistair or the pc but over all i think its an intresting topic

[Mikoto8472]

No, having done seven Wardens, five of those not doing the ritual, Morrigan doesn't have a baby unless you're a male Warden who agrees to it.... Or a female who persuades Alistair or Loghain.

If Morrigan were truly the daughter of Maric then if you persuaded Alistair to do the dark ritual with her that's incest.

[Nightdragon8]

considering you 2 where the only remaining GW in the area... the "Orlesian warden" wouldn't have been aroud in time to save the Archdemon soul, as it would have been destoryed by who ever killed the Archdemon.

[Adela]

also when alistair asks her about her mother she says that flemeth has company quite often and also she may not really given birth to morigan in the 1st place if u talk to morigan she says that shes not really sure that flemeth is her real mother she could have stolen morigan when she was a child from lothering

[Eveangaline]

Petroclis wrote...
  We also know that Morrigan's dark ritual (which happens regardless of you being the sperm donor)

What? It doesn't happen unless the warden talks someone into it or does it themself.

Petroclis wrote...

You are correct. If you turn down
Morrigan's offer, and don't convince Alistair or Loghain to do the deed,
she turns into a dog and leaves you permanently, but who's to say she
didn't then offer the same deal to the Orlesian warden? With her
shape-shifting, she could've tailed you all the way to the final battle
to finish the ritual.

If she did the ritual, no warden would die slaying the archdemon. Since the warden (or alistair/loghain) can in fact make the ultimate sacrifice, that means in those worlds morrigan did not make the old god baby.

Modifié par Eveangaline, 20 juin 2013 - 02:04 .

[Nyaore]

Mikoto8472 wrote...

No, having done seven Wardens, five of those not doing the ritual, Morrigan doesn't have a baby unless you're a male Warden who agrees to it.... Or a female who persuades Alistair or Loghain.

If Morrigan were truly the daughter of Maric then if you persuaded Alistair to do the dark ritual with her that's incest.

And makes for some interesting King Arthur parallels.

Modifié par Nyaore, 20 juin 2013 - 02:05 .

[Petroclis]

Eveangaline's point is excellent. And if our prior choices count in Inquisition, that sinks my theory. Anyway, it's going to be a long year to wait on this thing! Thanks for the responses.

[Yalision]

It has been officially on these forums by developers themselves: If you refused the Dark Ritual there is no old god baby. End of line.

[Androme]

I think there's a lot of things that BioWare regrets with DAO. Giving the choice to the players whether an OGB is to exist or not being one of them. I think they had great plans for that but were forced to abandon these great plans and make it something minor because a few people didn't go along with Morrigans idea.

[Boycott Bioware]

If the OGB is Alistair child, then he/she can inherit the Ferelden throne by right, it is important, very important. I don't know how the writers want to handle it

[KC_Prototype]

Interesting theories you have mentioned and if King Maric bedded Flementh then that means Alistair and Morrigan are half brother and sister and their hatred for each other makes sense because of petty sibling rivalry. Also, if that was Morrigan's intentions then where do her loyalties lie?

[rosalindlutece]

Mikoto8472 wrote...
If Morrigan were truly the daughter of Maric then if you persuaded Alistair to do the dark ritual with her that's incest.

but sets up some interesting King Arthur parallels

edit: damnit someone else beat me to saying it

Modifié par rosalindlutece, 20 juin 2013 - 03:27 .

[Potato Cat]

Didn't the great and powerful Lord Gaider super duper confirm that if you refused the DR, there would be no OGB?

[Eveangaline]

Elfman wrote...

Didn't the great and powerful Lord Gaider super duper confirm that if you refused the DR, there would be no OGB?

Pretty sure he did.

[Ravensword]

I hope the devs don't completely forget about the god baby, or find some lame way to write it out of DA:I.

[blod007]

I think I saw on here somewhere that the comics don't relate to it but am not sure. One thing that did strike me with the Old God soul thing, was if that's the case, if Alistair sacrificed himself or was executed would that have been be another OGB opportunity for Morrigan if she had been romanced. Even exiled he would have been still viable if he's a drunk.

Morrigan said the DR was BS in witch hunt, can't remember exactly what she said, but it basically changed nothing. Just a thought of what could have been...

[Eveangaline]

Ravensword wrote...

I hope the devs don't completely forget about the god baby, or find some lame way to write it out of DA:I.

How can you write out that which you don't write in in the first place? Is there any indication at all that they wanted it in?

[Guha sharan]

Something Just occured to me. If you're warden Married Anora then The OGB is probably the only heir to the the throne because Anora isnt likely to have children.Also any other warden (Alistair or Loghain) and it still is the most direct heir (excluding Goldanna)

[Guha sharan]

In addition to the throne of Fereldan the OGB could also inherit The Terynir of Gwaren and The Terynir of Highever .Highever if your warden was a human noble and Fergus doesn't have anymore children. Gwaren if any male warden asked for a title and riches or if Loghain was the one who concieved the Old god Baby

[Magdalena11]

If Morrigan was Maric's daughter she'd be in her mid-thirties by the time of DAO. I always wondered what Maric did in the hut with Flemeth for several hours. While it's certainly possible that a daughter was produced I got the impression that she told him his future and the future of Ferelden. I know she was supposed to have extracted a promise from him as well but I don't remember if we ever find out what it is.

[Reznore57]

I think the promise is Maric was supposed to go to the Silent Grove and give his blood to wake dragons.