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[Eckswhyzed]

AlanC9 wrote...

remydat wrote...
Well maybe I can be convinced.  What's your alternative to getting weapons.  From a RP, looting and shops are necessary evils.  They are never that realistic but what else are you going to do if you want the player to acquire weapons, armor, and the like?

Who says I want that? I'd be fine with equipment progression going away altogether.

But if we must have it, Shepard should only upgrade when he captures weapons that are superior to anything the Alliance has, plus maybe one or two new Alluance inventions over the course of the game.

Finally.

I'm fine with looting when it makes sense (e.g. post-apocalyptic survival), and I could tolerate ME2's research system.

But I'll be very happy if I never have to open a crate in any RPG ever again.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Necanor wrote...

Seival wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Destroy is the most ethical and humane ending

Not in my ethics.

I prefer to save and calm down everyone instead of killing millions to punish another millions.
So, I chose Control to apply Synthesis later.

Killing millions? They're just Humans, no one cares about Humans. And besides, chances are the Humans have already been destroyed on Earth. I also liked the Normandy more without Joker.

Still feel the same way?

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 20 juin 2013 - 11:46 .

[Uncle Jo]

Wolfva2 wrote...

If you want a happy ending, try watching a Disney movie. Synthesis.

Fixed.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 20 juin 2013 - 11:55 .

[remydat]

AlanC9 wrote...

Who says I want that? I'd be fine with equipment progression going away altogether.

But if we must have it, Shepard should only upgrade when he captures weapons that are superior to anything the Alliance has, plus maybe one or two new Alluance inventions over the course of the game.

It's a RP game.  Gotta have some sort of equipment and equipment upgrade system IMO.

Personally I prefer there to be a wide variety of weapons and don't like the idea of it already being made available to us or having to only rely on looting or capturing weapons to get it.  On the flip side, I don't need 100 versions of the same weapon because random loot is spread out all over the damn place.

Modifié par remydat, 21 juin 2013 - 12:03 .

[remydat]

StreetMagic wrote...

I've been replaying ME1 recently (trying to finally unlock Insanity mode), and it's interesting to look at the Consort's words in retrospect. Her prediction of you is a Shepard who will not die. I remember her words were fairly similar across all backgrounds, despite being worded differently. The basic message is that Shep is a survivor though.

It sucks that none of this is true, just because Mac Walters personally doesn't want Shepard around anymore.

Umm, sorry. This is only partly related to Destroy. More about continuity of the universe in general.

It's a cryptic statement though.  It could just mean his legend will effectively make him immortal (see Star Gazer scene), it could men his ressurection at the start of ME2 or it could mean his essence living on in the Reaper God under control or being shared with the whole galaxy in synthesis.

I mean even if Shep survives Destroy he will still die.

[ruggly]

[liggy002]

naes1984 wrote...

Agreed. Shepherd's job is to kill the Reapers- not to "build a bridge between organics and synthetics."

Finally, someone with some sense!

[liggy002]

ginner dave wrote...

But robots have feelings too, how can you betray your killer, genocidal robot allies just to destroy a race of killer, genocidal robots? wah wah. Also genocide of reaper goo and betraying civilisations that are actually long dead and blah blah blah blah stereotypical anti-destroy post.

Yay for Reaper collaboration.

They're not dead.  They live on in the shell of the Reaper and are imprisoned by the Catalyst.  The mind is directly linked to the soul.  Some would say that the souls of billions are enslaved.  If you want to delude yourself into thinkiing that enslaving billions of souls/minds is ethical, then be my guest.

The fact of the matter is that you have now become the very evil you have been trying to destroy.  You are indoctrinating billions of minds, just like the Reaper's have. 

[AlanC9]

liggy002 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

Agreed. Shepherd's job is to kill the Reapers- not to "build a bridge between organics and synthetics."

Finally, someone with some sense!

So Shepard should just do his job without regard to anything he learns, consequences.. anything at all?

(Is it too early to Godwin the thread, folks?)

[Sir DeLoria]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Still feel the same way?

Did the humans kill millions of people, sell themselves to the reapers and nearly destroy the Citadel? Well, the Geth did.

[DirtyPhoenix]

liggy002 wrote...

If you want to delude yourself into thinkiing that enslaving billions of souls/minds is ethical, then be my guest.

No I don't delude myself by thinking like that, but then I don't fret about the "ethics" of any choice. All of them are monstrosities, period (not that I have a problem with that). Its just a matter of which monstrosity YOU personally are comfortable with. You pick it, and then you invent reasons to make yourself comfortable and convince yourself you did the right thing... Thats what every ending supporter of all colour does, here on BSN.

[KiwiQuiche]

Steelcan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Nah, I pick Refuse. Kill 'em all, let Buddha sort 'em out.

. Kill them all, God will recognize his own.


-Arnauld Amalric, 1209

That too. But I perfer me some Buddha.

iakus wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Nah, I pick Refuse. Kill 'em all, let Buddha sort 'em out.

i think picard would agree.

So would Sheridan 

Earl grey.

Yestare7 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 lul... I ran this OP outta his own thread.

+12

pirate1802 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

If you want to delude yourself into thinkiing that enslaving billions of souls/minds is ethical, then be my guest.

No
I don't delude myself by thinking like that, but then I don't fret
about the "ethics" of any choice. All of them are monstrosities, period
(not that I have a problem with that). Its just a matter of which
monstrosity YOU personally are comfortable with. You pick it, and then
you invent reasons to make yourself comfortable and convince yourself
you did the right thing... Thats what every ending supporter of all
colour does, here on BSN.

I like this human! She understands.

But yup, pick your poison and run with it. That's bascially what it boils down to.

[in it for the lolz]

Too bad Destroy did not rid the galaxy of the Xenos scum.

Thought of the day: Suffer not the Alien to live.

[KiwiQuiche]

Necanor wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Still feel the same way?

Did the humans kill millions of people, sell themselves to the reapers and nearly destroy the Citadel? Well, the Geth did.

Nah, humanity just tries to detroy the Krogan/Turian alliance, tries to kill the Council, steals Vendetta and nearly ends the war right there, and abducts and forcibly turns refugees into monsters due teh le sciencez.

[BioReaperEA]

I would've chosen option 5 and replaced starkid with cortana and have her feed me brownies while lap dancing.

[Cainhurst Crow]

liggy002 wrote...

ginner dave wrote...

But robots have feelings too, how can you betray your killer, genocidal robot allies just to destroy a race of killer, genocidal robots? wah wah. Also genocide of reaper goo and betraying civilisations that are actually long dead and blah blah blah blah stereotypical anti-destroy post.

Yay for Reaper collaboration.

They're not dead.  They live on in the shell of the Reaper and are imprisoned by the Catalyst.  The mind is directly linked to the soul.  Some would say that the souls of billions are enslaved.  If you want to delude yourself into thinkiing that enslaving billions of souls/minds is ethical, then be my guest.

The fact of the matter is that you have now become the very evil you have been trying to destroy.  You are indoctrinating billions of minds, just like the Reaper's have. 

Can you prove any of what you wrote there?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Necanor wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Still feel the same way?

Did the humans kill millions of people, sell themselves to the reapers and nearly destroy the Citadel? Well, the Geth did.

Why yes they did, in fact I'd say the number is more in the billions than the millions really, or at least the hundreds of millions.

And destroying the citadel? Well, I wouldn't say that. Humanity's councilor and apointed representative did try to murder his fellow councilmen in order to make a human dictatorship though. And it was our special forces group who tried to kill everyone else and somehow leave humanity left over to rule the entire galaxy after gaining control of the reapers, a plan which required the sacrifice of large numbers of aliens and humans in order to be accomplished.

Humanity, next to batarians and geth, has had an equal if not greater hand in this war than either one of those other races, or possibly any race besides the leviathans.

[DirtyPhoenix]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I like this human! She understands.

He.. :|

[Eterna]

I have to wonder why people expected a happy ending after a galatic wide extinction event.

Damn kiddies and their hope.

[Ridwan]

It's the best ending in the game that we're presented with. Ideally though, we would've just given the Reapers the finger and tell the kid to take a hike and kill the Reapers cause we accomplished something many thought couldn't be done; uniting the entire galaxy to fight for our home.

But apperently since that's super unrealistic, for whatever reason, I agree that sacrificing the toasters is the best option.

Modifié par M25105, 21 juin 2013 - 10:45 .

[FlamingBoy]

OP avoid using the phrase "happy ending" it has certain connotations to the word implying a meaning (which was developed by less than reputable people in the industry) different to what you actual mean.

As a result you may not get the discussion you wanted.

[Sir DeLoria]

in it for the lolz wrote...

Too bad Destroy did not rid the galaxy of the Xenos scum.

Thought of the day: Suffer not the Alien to live.

Hehe, I used to love 40k when I was a kid. It's nice and dark, but you basically only get to choose between fighting for the Holy Cult of Space N*zis(Imperium) or the Sado-Maso Satanists(Chaos).

Modifié par Necanor, 21 juin 2013 - 11:39 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Why yes they did, in fact I'd say the number is more in the billions than the millions really, or at least the hundreds of millions.

And destroying the citadel? Well, I wouldn't say that. Humanity's councilor and apointed representative did try to murder his fellow councilmen in order to make a human dictatorship though. And it was our special forces group who tried to kill everyone else and somehow leave humanity left over to rule the entire galaxy after gaining control of the reapers, a plan which required the sacrifice of large numbers of aliens and humans in order to be accomplished.

Humanity, next to batarians and geth, has had an equal if not greater hand in this war than either one of those other races, or possibly any race besides the leviathans.

You're right, let's destroy humans and batarians too. Turian-Quarian alliance ftw!