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[Rinji the Bearded]

David7204 wrote...


Of course they do. You're proving my point. Both women and men do it, except that generally, men are going to downplay their experiences with video games while women will do the opposite.

And you know this... why?  Are you a woman?  Do you know that all men downplay their experiences?  Mansplain it to me some more.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 20 juin 2013 - 05:06 .

[David7204]

I think most reasonable people would agree that in the Western World, playing video games is considered a more attractive and positive trait for females than for males.

Modifié par David7204, 20 juin 2013 - 05:07 .

[Thomas Andresen]

David7204 wrote...

I think most reasonable people would agree that in the Western World, playing video games is considered a more attractive and positive trait for females than for males.

Why do you think so? I don't see any truth to this statement. Enlighten me.

[Enigmatick]

RinjiRenee wrote...

David7204 wrote...


Of course they do. You're proving my point. Both women and men do it, except that generally, men are going to downplay their experiences with video games while women will do the opposite.

And you know this... why?  Are you a woman?  Do you know that all men downplay their experiences?  Mansplain it to me some more.

I can't tell if you're using that tumblr femi**** phrase ironically or not.

[wolfhowwl]

Ninja Stan will be arriving shortly to contain the rampant male privilege in this thread.

[upsettingshorts]

Enigmatick wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

David7204 wrote...


Of course they do. You're proving my point. Both women and men do it, except that generally, men are going to downplay their experiences with video games while women will do the opposite.

And you know this... why?  Are you a woman?  Do you know that all men downplay their experiences?  Mansplain it to me some more.

I can't tell if you're using that tumblr femi**** phrase ironically or not.

I can't tell if you're quoting Rush Limbaugh terms consciously or not, let alone ironically.

[Elrena]

Congratulations for illustrating Mr. Gaider's point about the need for the industry to consider the effect they're having on their audience, while also not caving to the pressures applied by your ilk, so very eloquently, David. Have a cookie.

[Rinji the Bearded]

David7204 wrote...

I think most reasonable people would agree that in the Western World, playing video games is considered a more attractive trait for females than for males.

That's completely unreasonable.  

[David7204]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I think most reasonable people would agree that in the Western World, playing video games is considered a more attractive and positive trait for females than for males.

Why do you think so? I don't see any truth to this statement. Enlighten me.

Go to any video on Youtube with a pretty girl talking about video games. Not women in video games, just video games. Take a look at the tone of the comments.

[Huyna]

Enigmatick wrote...

SO ABOUT THAT DRAGON AGE INQUISITION GUYS

Seriously are you people afraid to post things in the off topic section?

High Dragons in Dragon Age potrayed as evill giant flying flamethrowers.
And they are all female.
It's sexist.

Also, a gay dragon should be added.
Or a wyvren who dresses like one.

[Rinji the Bearded]

David7204 wrote...

Go to any video on Youtube with a pretty girl talking about video games. Not women in video games, just video games. Take a look at the tone of the comments. 

I'm not going to deign youtube comments with any sort of authority on any subject.

[wolfhowwl]

Huyna wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

SO ABOUT THAT DRAGON AGE INQUISITION GUYS

Seriously are you people afraid to post things in the off topic section?

High Dragons in Dragon Age potrayed as evill giant flying flamethrowers.
And they are all female.
It's sexist.

Also, a gay dragon should be added.
Or a wyvren who dresses like one.

All the broodmothers are female too. Bioware owes us an explanation here.

[dreamgazer]

Gay dragon for LI in Inquisition.

[David7204]

The comments aren't meant to be authority. Only evidence.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I think most reasonable people would agree that in the Western World, playing video games is considered a more attractive and positive trait for females than for males.

Why do you think so? I don't see any truth to this statement. Enlighten me.

Go to any video on Youtube with a pretty girl talking about video games. Not women in video games, just video games. Take a look at the tone of the comments.

Your trying to use Youtube as a fact?

[Enigmatick]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

David7204 wrote...


Of course they do. You're proving my point. Both women and men do it, except that generally, men are going to downplay their experiences with video games while women will do the opposite.

And you know this... why?  Are you a woman?  Do you know that all men downplay their experiences?  Mansplain it to me some more.

I can't tell if you're using that tumblr femi**** phrase ironically or not.

I can't tell if you're quoting Rush Limbaugh terms consciously or not, let alone ironically.

Funny that the first person to respond to that actively uses tumblr.

[Thomas Andresen]

RinjiRenee wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Go to any video on Youtube with a pretty girl talking about video games. Not women in video games, just video games. Take a look at the tone of the comments. 

I'm not going to deign youtube comments with any sort of authority on any subject.

This.

Unless those YouTube comments were discussing the girl's knowledge of video games and not her boobs or what-have-you, they'll only serve to reinforce my current belief.

[Melca36]

David7204 wrote...

I think I should go ahead and point out that the figures for the percentage of female players, including the figures that Merizan has given of around 45%, are almost certainly complete nonsense.

Living in denial I see.  The truth of the matter is women DO PLAY GAMES and men like you feel threatened. Its NOT 1997 anymore sorry if we are invading your personal space.  

The industry needs to grow with the times and you have to learn to adapt to deal with it.

[upsettingshorts]

David7204 wrote...

Go to any video on Youtube with a pretty girl talking about video games. Not women in video games, just video games. Take a look at the tone of the comments.

If the fact she was a gamer was the source of attraction, you wouldn't need to qualify it by establishing that she was pretty.

Guys admire - and that is putting it extraordinarily generously for Youtube comments - pretty girls.  Especially pretty girls who are into what they're into.  Further, males posting in Youtube comment threads with pretty female gamers self-select.  By that I mean:  Guys who aren't into video games, or girls who play video games, wouldn't find themselves in such threads to comment in the first place.

Let's take your terrible Youtube example.  Go to any video on Youtube with a plain woman talking about video games.  Not women in video games, just video games.  Take a look at the tone of those comments.  It might just reveal the shocking truth that women tend to be evaluated on their appearance.

Your observation is a result of confirmation bias.  As such, the conclusion you've drawn is specious and self-serving.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 juin 2013 - 05:21 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

David7204 wrote...

The comments aren't meant to be authority. Only evidence.

Presenting evidence without any authority is a weak argument at best.  

[Lennard Testarossa]

Melca36 wrote...
Living in denial I see.

So demanding actual evidence for a rather strong claim is "living in denial" now?

[Melca36]

David7204 wrote...

Where did these numbers come from? Almost certainly from a simple survey. Are you female or male, and do you play video games or not? Get the results, crunch the numbers, boom. 47% of video game players are apparently female.

Except it's not that simple. Consider:

For males, playing video games is a neutral to unattractive trait. There's still heavy perceptions of male video game players being nerds and basement dwellers and immature teenagers. There's a high supply and a low demand - I've met very few young males that never ever under any circumstances play video games.

For females, it's the complete opposite. Playing video games is generally considered an attractive trait. It's considered something unique, something exceptional. You go to any video on Youtube with a pretty girl talking about video games, and half the comments will be gushing over how great she is.

Thus, males are going to underrepresent themselves and females are going to overrepresent themselves in such a survey. Females on the whole are going to be much more likely to want to take part in such a survey, while males on the whole are going to be much more likely to be disinterested.

Stop living in denial and GOOGLE IT. There are countless studies!!!!!

[Thomas Andresen]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Your observation is a result of confirmation bias.  As such, the conclusion you've drawn is specious and self-serving.

Funny how that's the exact same thing he's blaming ESA for doing.

[Enigmatick]

dreamgazer wrote...

Gay dragon for LI in Inquisition.

You have no idea how close to that we really are.

[David7204]

'Google it' is not an argument.