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[Xilizhra]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

It looks like you put a lot of thought into this, but I hope Cassandra and Varric aren't mandatory companions. I'm hoping it's similar to Leliana and Sten, where you have the option to recruit them or refuse them.

You don't want Varric? 

Depends on the kind of protagonist that I play, and the kind of man Varric is when we meet him again.

Can you elaborate?

[Milan92]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I'd say its pretty damn likely they are companions. I think Cassandra will be a two-handed sword warrior though.

Yes please! 

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Depends on the kind of protagonist that I play, and the kind of man Varric is when we meet him again.

Can you elaborate? 

I'm on my break, so I'll try. Varric may have changed - like Anders did when he came to Kirkwall. I suppose it also depends on who he might have allegiances with now. And I'm not sure what kind of person I could develop the new protagonist into - like a hypothetical Tevinter Magister, for example.

[Adela]

Nethalf wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Fair point, but both Sten and Fenris are optional companions. And Fenris is actually the last companion you can be introduced to in DA2. I don't see Cassandra as being an optional companion to be honest.

Aveline was optional, too. And if I remember correctly, there's a way to get Fenris to the party before Isabela or even Anders/

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Sure, but she can still tank with two swords. Like I said, she could have a unique fighting style which is great.

Good point, but I think Cullen or other classic shield dude (there're some rumors about orlesian chevallier in the party, aren't they?) will join us first.

if Cullen will be a companion  i'd sooooooooooooooo be happy if he was to join us 1st:wub:

[Boss Fog]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

I hope you mean dual wielding not two handed. Everything we've seen on her points to her using two weapons.

No.

I base what I said on what BW tend to do with companions in the past. They tend to have 3 warrior companions, 1 tank, two dps. In DA:O Alistair/Loghain is the tank, Sten & Oghren are two-handers. In DA2 Aveline is the tank, Fenris & Carver were the two-handers. So based on what we know so far I see it as Cullen will be the tank, Cassandra & someone else will wield two handed swords. Theres also this.

Not that I'm against dual-wielding returning for warriors. My Warden was a DWW 

The screenshot you linked isn't really clear as to what type of weapon it is; although if it is a longsword it's a rather large one.  I honestly don't see them going down that route with her though.  All the characters you mentioned were advertised in the way you see them in game.  Cassandra has not been advertised at all as a two-hander.  I do hope however that every weapon tree is available to her should someone wish to use her as a 2-hander.

[Silfren]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Depends on the kind of protagonist that I play, and the kind of man Varric is when we meet him again.

Can you elaborate? 

I'm on my break, so I'll try. Varric may have changed - like Anders did when he came to Kirkwall. I suppose it also depends on who he might have allegiances with now. And I'm not sure what kind of person I could develop the new protagonist into - like a hypothetical Tevinter Magister, for example.

I've been wondering about Varric changing dramatically myself.  Gaider wrote a post discussing the fact that people get upset because certain characters they love are not romanceable, about how if they made said beloved character into an LI, they would be totally different.  It seems to suggest that Bioware's formula for romanceable companions excludes those with the kind of personality Varric had.  But since Varric was so hugely popular, I can't help but wonder if he'll return to DA3 as a potential LI, much like Anders did in the transition from Awakening to DA2.

It would kind of suck.  I love the romance options we get, and I appreciate why those romances tend to be tragic or bittersweet.  But it would be nice to have at least one different option, and Varric as he was from Da2 would have been perfect.

Getting aside from the romance aspect, however, it would be VERY interesting to see Varric as having been dramatically changed from the war.  In another thread, someone said that they saw Varric's expression in the trailer as indicating his general opinion of the death and destruction.  I'm more inclined that it looks as if he's been very personally affected by it. 

Gotta ask, Lob:  If you had the option to do so, would you play a Tevinter Magister who was out for their own interests, whether to make the war benefit either you personally or Tevinter itself in some way?  Would you be more inclined to play a good or evil-aligned Tevinter.  If playing a Tevinter Magister locked us into an evil role, would you still go for it?

[Nethalf]

Here's what I think 'bout our future party.

Bioware's principles of team-building are:
1. Everybody belong to the different factions and even nations (it should help us to look from different points of view on the setting). Sure, there's always a place for some exceptions (Jacob and Miranda are both Cerberus bastards, Vega and Ashley/Kaidan are all Alliance soldiers) but these exceptions are rare.
2. At least one spot for a dwarf.
3. At least one spot for an elf.
4. One spot for a really uncommon creature, a freak scaring regular people (Shale, Justice, Legion, Javik).
5. 2-3 warriors (tank + DD), 2-3 rogues (sneaky dagger guy + archer), 2-3 mages (healer + crowd control/DD).
6. (optional) Dwarves and elves from new game should belong to other faction than dwarves and elves from the old one did (for example, Oghren is from Orzammar and a common warrior, Sigrun's from Orzammar and Dead Legion, Varric is a surface dwarf; the same for the elves).

So I suppose there will be pro-mage guys, pro-Chantry guys and "we're so tired of that crap" neutral guys, also people from different nations (at least one orlesian, for sure), a dwarf and an elf.

So I like the odds of:
1. Cassandra (Seeker, nevarran) as a warrior, specialization unknown.
2. Cullen (Templar, fereldan) as a warrior with a shield.
3. Qunari/Tal'Vashot as a warrior with a giant two-handed sword/axe/hammer.
4. Morrigan (apostate, fereldan) as a mage, DD+crowd control.
5. Unknown mage as a healer. Probably an elf.
6. Unknown rogue with daggers. Probably an elf (Tallis, I suppose) if the healer wouldn't be an elf.
7. Unknown rogue with a bow or crossbow. It might be Leliana, Varric or some new guy.
8. DLC freak. Probably a darkspawn, Kal'Sharok dwarf, female kossith, spirit or even demon.


One of the unknown companions should be from Orlais. One'd be a Grey Warden. And at least one or two teammates will be totally new ones, not our old friends. A healer and a kossith warrior looks suitable cause qunari's already a new guy and there's no charismatic and popular healer mages (Anders already played his main role, Sketch and Finn ain't popular). Then unknown rogues are probably Tallis and Varric.

Modifié par Nethalf, 20 juin 2013 - 09:44 .

[Mazzzz]

Tootles FTW wrote...

I would be happy to have the both of them. Wonder who will be the obligatory healer mage? Surely they'd be next in line.

Maybe Galio from dawn of the seeker who has a love intrest for cassandra.It whould be interesting if cassandra is a love intrest for the inquisitor making a love triangle between cassandra galio and the inquisitor.

[LobselVith8]

Silfren wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'm on my break, so I'll try. Varric may have changed - like Anders did when he came to Kirkwall. I suppose it also depends on who he might have allegiances with now. And I'm not sure what kind of person I could develop the new protagonist into - like a hypothetical Tevinter Magister, for example.

I've been wondering about Varric changing dramatically myself.  Gaider wrote a post discussing the fact that people get upset because certain characters they love are not romanceable, about how if they made said beloved character into an LI, they would be totally different.  It seems to suggest that Bioware's formula for romanceable companions excludes those with the kind of personality Varric had.  But since Varric was so hugely popular, I can't help but wonder if he'll return to DA3 as a potential LI, much like Anders did in the transition from Awakening to DA2.

I think it's a real possibility - for Varric to be a potential love interest. I wonder how that would work out, since he seems to be single throughout Dragon Age II - excluding his close relationship with Bianca, of course. What kind of person would Varric be interested in romantically? Will he be avaliable for men and women? And will giving Varric the shard in Dragon Age II mean anything for him in Inquisition?

Silfren wrote...

It would kind of suck.  I love the romance options we get, and I appreciate why those romances tend to be tragic or bittersweet.  But it would be nice to have at least one different option, and Varric as he was from Da2 would have been perfect.

I know quite a few people wanted to romance Varric. Maybe they will get their chance in Inquisition.

Silfren wrote...

Getting aside from the romance aspect, however, it would be VERY interesting to see Varric as having been dramatically changed from the war.  In another thread, someone said that they saw Varric's expression in the trailer as indicating his general opinion of the death and destruction.  I'm more inclined that it looks as if he's been very personally affected by it.

War changes people. It's certainly possible Varric could have lost someone he cared about in the war. It might give him some strong opinions about the Mage-Templar War.

Silfren wrote...

Gotta ask, Lob:  If you had the option to do so, would you play a Tevinter Magister who was out for their own interests, whether to make the war benefit either you personally or Tevinter itself in some way?  Would you be more inclined to play a good or evil-aligned Tevinter.  If playing a Tevinter Magister locked us into an evil role, would you still go for it? 

I would be interested in an Imperium-aligned Magister, since it would be a real change of pace from my previous protagonists. An intelligent, proactive Magister who is morally gray, rather than good or evil. Someone whocan articulate great arguments for his homeland, even if I don't personally share those views. I hope a potential Magister background option doesn't lock the player into a villainous role - I prefer range with my characters and choices, rather than limitations.

[Luiren]

I would be thrilled to see Varric again as a companion. He doesn't even have to be a LI. I'd take him over angry Cassandra, Cullen, and Leliana. I support his comeback.

[PsychoBlonde]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

With low level characters and on higher difficulties, RPG combat such as that of Dragon Age practically requires a tank in the party. This is why there will always be a tank companion introduced early into the party, in case that the player character is not a tank. The game would be imbalanced and not very enjoyable otherwise.

Played both games all the way through on Nightmare with no tank.  My playthroughs where I actually tried to have a "tank" were way more annoying than the ones where I made all of my characters tough enough to eat some aggro--the biggest, baddest, toughest tank still gets mauled by stuff and does embarrassingly poor damage while needing a healer to chase them around and clean up the results of their lifestyle.

If you kick out enough damage and CC tank and healer are utterly superfluous. 

[iOnlySignIn]

Nethalf wrote...

So I like the odds of:
1. Cassandra (Seeker, nevarran) as a warrior, specialization unknown.
2. Cullen (Templar, fereldan) as a warrior with a shield.
3. Qunari/Tal'Vashot as a warrior with a giant two-handed sword/axe/hammer.
4. Morrigan (apostate, fereldan) as a mage, DD+crowd control.
5. Unknown mage as a healer. Probably an elf.
6. Unknown rogue with daggers. Probably an elf (Tallis, I suppose) if the healer wouldn't be an elf.
7. Unknown rogue with a bow or crossbow. It might be Leliana, Varric or some new guy.
8. DLC freak. Probably a darkspawn, Kal'Sharok dwarf, female kossith, spirit or even demon.

That's a pretty good list. I am 90% sure the DLC freak is a spirit/demon. Would be the Javik of DA3.

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Played both games all the way through on Nightmare with no tank. 

I was never commenting on your abilities to play the game - frankly to me "difficulty" in any form of Player v. AI game is a laughable concept in and of itself. I was speculating about the game content based on traditional RPG designs. If you think BioWare would alter those traditions because of how you play the game then I'm happy for you.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 juin 2013 - 02:32 .

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iOnlySignIn wrote...
That's a pretty good list. I am 90% sure the DLC freak is a spirit/demon. Would be the Javik of DA3.

Maker I hope its not a demon/spirit. I grow tired of having every mage the protagonist comes across having some sort of affinity toward spirits or demons. Just once I'd like to have a normal not posessed mage or other vessel. For DLC however, if anything I'd think it might be an Orlesian or a Grey Warden, but I'm suspecting it might be an Orlesian.

And while you make strong arguments OP, in a majority of BioWare's games you start off with a warrioresque companion and a companion that has an affinity toward magic. (DAO was Alistair/Morrigan at the beginning, ME was Ashley and Kaidan, NWN2 also had the same two types companions.Their names elude me...) They only changed it in DA2 based on your class. So it is still very possible that Cullen or Cassandra might be the first companions, and possibly even Morrigan if she returns as a companion or another mage at the beginning. They could give us Varric too though, it could also be based on one's class who you get first...that'd be something.

[Trikormadenadon]

 I dunno about Cassandra. She always struck me as a two-handed weilder. Don`t know why. Maybe because my female Hawke was a two-handed weilder and they look so similar if you use the default Hawke female.

As for Cullen or Cassandra being part of you group, I think they should go back to DA:O type and make you choose between the two of them (if both are tanks or whatever) so you can only have one of them in each playthrough. Since Cullen is part of the faction that breaks away from the Chantry it would make sense story wise...assuming of course they are both companion options.

[iOnlySignIn]

Music wrote...

Just once I'd like to have a normal not posessed mage or other vessel. 

I think BioWare have established quite firmly that such mages practically don't exist.

And while you make strong arguments OP, in a majority of BioWare's games you start off with a warrioresque companion and a companion that has an affinity toward magic. (DAO was Alistair/Morrigan at the beginning, ME was Ashley and Kaidan, NWN2 also had the same two types companions.Their names elude me...) They only changed it in DA2 based on your class. So it is still very possible that Cullen or Cassandra might be the first companions, and possibly even Morrigan if she returns as a companion or another mage at the beginning. They could give us Varric too though, it could also be based on one's class who you get first...that'd be something.

Yeah good point. I think it's very possible that the first companions we recruit (or at least the order in which they
appear) may depend on the Inquisitor's class.

I doubt Morrigan will be a companion though. She seems to be a Flemmeth-like character now, i.e. one who exerts great influence but almost cannot be influenced in anyway. Such a character makes good NPC, but poor companion IMO because her interaction with the PC will be too much of a one way traffic.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 juin 2013 - 04:44 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Trikormadenadon wrote...

I think they should go back to DA:O type and make you choose between the two of them (if both are tanks or whatever) so you can only have one of them in each playthrough. 

That would be so awesome. But do realize that you're basically asking BioWare to do twice the amount of work for the same amount of playing time. Recently they have mostly been doing the exact opposite of that.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 juin 2013 - 04:46 .

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iOnlySignIn wrote...


I think BioWare have established quite firmly that such mages practically don't exist.

Alas...A man can still dream.

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Yeah good point. I think it's very possible that the first companions we recruit (or at least the order in which they appear) may depend on the Inquisitor's class.

I doubt Morrigan will be a companion though. She seems to be a Flemmeth-like character now, i.e. one who exerts great influence but almost cannot be influenced in anyway. Such a character makes good NPC, but poor companion IMO because her interaction with the PC will be too much of a one way traffic.

I think I'd enjoy that the most personally. That system could very easily lend itself to replayability depending on how its handled. But again, I suppose we'll see if BioWare continues old habits or changes it up for the new game.

Yes I doubt she'd be a companion as well. But I'm not sure I'd slap the Flemeth-like sticker on her just yet because we have no idea what her intentions are, what her role will be and who she even is comparatively to the protagonist. Also considering one of the main aspects that potentially connect her back to the Warden/DAO is completley optional so they'd have to be very particular and careful with her involvement.

[MrCorvin]

Maybe on higher difficulties, however if it is anything like DA2 I wound up just playing the game with 3 rogues and a mage.

Then again I play for story and not on the higher difficulties.

[Thomas Andresen]

Black Jimmy wrote...

Let's have Inigo Montoya as a companion in his place.
And I'd hate to have Hawke killed off offscreen

A companion based on Inigo Montoya would make my day. It would be reason enough in and of itself to love the game.

[Boycott Bioware]

Nethalf wrote...

So I like the odds of:
1. Cassandra (Seeker, nevarran) as a warrior, specialization unknown.
2. Cullen (Templar, fereldan) as a warrior with a shield.
3. Qunari/Tal'Vashot as a warrior with a giant two-handed sword/axe/hammer.
4. Morrigan (apostate, fereldan) as a mage, DD+crowd control.
5. Unknown mage as a healer. Probably an elf.
6. Unknown rogue with daggers. Probably an elf (Tallis, I suppose) if the healer wouldn't be an elf.
7. Unknown rogue with a bow or crossbow. It might be Leliana, Varric or some new guy.
8. DLC freak. Probably a darkspawn, Kal'Sharok dwarf, female kossith, spirit or even demon.

i don't think Morrigan will be a companion, a role of a nuker should be taken by an unknown Tevinter Mage character or an Apostate

And i don't think Varric will become companion too, we already have him in DA2, he play a big part as narrator and companion, so no, he won't be a companion. Maybe just a guy hangout in Orlesian pub telling stories.

Cassandra also will not be a companion, it is nbecause from the trailer we see her handling her own group alone without the protagonist, so she will not be the companion, just a faction leader our protagonist must deal with

Leliana will not be a companion or she will become fan rage bait similar with Morrigan

I believe we will have a complete new characters following this formula

i. tank - human Templar
ii. melee nuker - Qunari
iii. healer - ex Circle Mage or Apostate
iv. DPS melee - Antivan Crow
v. DPS range - Dalish Elf
vi. magic nuker - Tevinter Mage or Apostate
vii. pet - Mabari
viii. DLC anonymous

Modifié par Qistina, 21 juin 2013 - 11:43 .

[Little Princess Peach]

I would bet my money on Cullen being our number one tank, Varric is hawkes companion in my eyes we need new people.

[esper]

I do not want Varric back as a companion. I want to meet new characters in Thedas. And do not need my old companions back with a new character.

[Solmanian]

I think I speak for most gamers (emphasis on "think", this is simply my personal opinion) when I say, that after 8 years of WOW we're pretty much sick of the "tradional" tank/healer/dps trio. ME doesn't have it, and it's to it's credits. Sticking charecters into corners regarding their utility is detrimental to enjoyable gameplay. When you gather your partry, and you have say to yourself "I have to take this guy, that guy and that dude" (like in previous DA games), instead "who do I want to bring?" (like ME games), it hurts the most importent part of bioware games: interactions with interesting party members.

We should have the freedom to take with us the companions that we find most intersting, or in the case of meta-gamers teh charecters we feel would be most interesting to bring (like bringing fenris to meet slavers so we could watch the fireworks).

[Solmanian]

Also, when was it even hinted that Cullen would be a companion?

[Solas]

Seems like a solid guess to me!