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[azarhal]

Qistina wrote...

Cassandra also will not be a companion, it is nbecause from the trailer we see her handling her own group alone without the protagonist, so she will not be the companion, just a faction leader our protagonist must deal with

The people she's leading have the Inquisition symbol embossed on their armor. She's even sporting a stylized Inquisition symbol on her tabard. The trailer point to Cassandra being in the Inquisition.

How that fit with the PC leading the Inquisition is probably something we will learn later (probably in 1.5 years).

[Solmanian]

Qistina wrote...

i. tank - human Templar
ii. melee nuker - Qunari
iii. healer - ex Circle Mage or Apostate
iv. DPS melee - Antivan Crow
v. DPS range - Dalish Elf
vi. magic nuker - Tevinter Mage or Apostate
vii. pet - Mabari
viii. DLC anonymous

Isn't this just a rehash of previous companions from previous games? Isn't it time for something new and exciting?
you might as well wrote:

i. alistair.
ii. sten.
iii. Anders.
iv. zevran.
v. Tamlen.
vi. morrigan.
vii. Barkspawn
viii. shale.

It's time for someone exotic and different. With the veil being torn, everything up for grabs. How about a dwarf with a pet rock, and the rock is sentient (being possessed by a spirit) and bent on world domination?

[Boycott Bioware]

I think I speak for most gamers (emphasis on "think", this is simply my personal opinion) when I say, that after 8 years of WOW we're pretty much sick of the "tradional" tank/healer/dps trio. ME doesn't have it, and it's to it's credits. Sticking charecters into corners regarding their utility is detrimental to enjoyable gameplay. When you gather your partry, and you have say to yourself "I have to take this guy, that guy and that dude" (like in previous DA games), instead "who do I want to bring?" (like ME games), it hurts the most importent part of bioware games: interactions with interesting party members.

We should have the freedom to take with us the companions that we find most intersting, or in the case of meta-gamers teh charecters we feel would be most interesting to bring (like bringing fenris to meet slavers so we could watch the fireworks).

Actually that is true for DA2 because it have no customization. Aveline cannot use two handed swords, Fenris cannot use shield, Anders is the only healer in ACT 2 till the end of Act 3 for non-Mage Hawke and so on

In DA:O, yes Alistair is SUPPOSED TO be a Tank, but we can customize him become something else. Similar with Morrigan, she supposed to be a Shapeshifter but i never use her Shafeshifter skills ever, she is a nuker, she can also be a tank Arcane Warrior or a healer. Wayne suppose to be a healer, we can customize her becoming nuker or Arcane Warrior, and so for others

So the "I must bring certain character" thing is not an issue for DA:O, because we can customize our companions as what being allowed by the game to them. We are even have option to take them as party members or not, leave Sten in the cage or not, leave Wayne in the Circle or kill her, kill or spare Zevran, listen to Leliana plead or ignore her in Lothering.... They are not mandatory, just add spices to the game if we take them.

The mandatory companions in DA:O are Alistair and Morrigan, we auto get Dog if play as Human Noble. these companions alone can be multipurpose, if the Warden is a Rogue, there is no issue of lockpicking and disarming (these skills are not so important either). We can play with just the Warden, Alistair, Morrigan and Dog from begining to the end without anyone else...

Edit : We can even play as solo and ****** off everyone from begining to the end

Modifié par Qistina, 21 juin 2013 - 12:25 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Isn't this just a rehash of previous companions from previous games? Isn't it time for something new and exciting?
you might as well wrote:

i. alistair.
ii. sten.
iii. Anders.
iv. zevran.
v. Tamlen.
vi. morrigan.
vii. Barkspawn
viii. shale.

It's time for someone exotic and different. With the veil being torn, everything up for grabs. How about a dwarf with a pet rock, and the rock is sentient (being possessed by a spirit) and bent on world domination?

I mean, that is the formula, successful one, the difference is only the characters that fit the role.

Dwarf may take the second melee nuker or replace the Antivan Crow with Carta Assassin, or even as DLC. There must be someone from a gang who get trouble with the war or profit from it

There must be human Templar because we must have Templar point of view, we also must have Tevinter Mage for their point of view, also the Dalish and Qunari point of view

The people she's leading have the Inquisition symbol embossed on their armor. She's even sporting a stylized Inquisition symbol on her tabard. The trailer point to Cassandra being in the Inquisition.

How that fit with the PC leading the Inquisition is probably something we will learn later (probably in 1.5 years).

She can't be a companion, the one who will following the protagonist butt all the time, she must be a faction leader who the protagonist must deal with.

Modifié par Qistina, 21 juin 2013 - 12:34 .

[Mazzzz]

Well if we look again at the leaked photos that where released on the internet a while ago showing possible companions who i believe really fit as a new team because

1)The tank is the grey warden who has a sword and shield
2)The mages that wear the same clothes could be brothers with one that is a nuke and another who is a healer or they could just be the male/female inquisitor mage
3)The assassin rogue could be the woman which is wearing stylish clothes
4)The ranged rouge could be the elf archer
5)The seeker which has short hair is unsheathing her sword is definitely Cassandra who will be the two handed warrior
6)The man in Templar clothing is definitely Cullen who could be a second tank
7)And there could be a dwarf mage as DLC because he is unique and bioware did the same thing with mass effect 3 putting the prothean as DLC companion because he was unique.

http://www.unigamesi...3/#!prettyPhoto

[Nethalf]

Qistina wrote...
Cassandra also will not be a companion, it is nbecause from the trailer we see her handling her own group alone without the protagonist, so she will not be the companion, just a faction leader our protagonist must deal with

It's exactly my opinion I spoke on other website just a few minutes ago.

Yeah, Cassandra might go Wrex on us: "Sorry, bro, I have my own to-do list". But I think it's really possible she'll join us later, after a big plot twist which ended some part of the game.

[azarhal]

Qistina wrote...

The people she's leading have the Inquisition symbol embossed on their armor. She's even sporting a stylized Inquisition symbol on her tabard. The trailer point to Cassandra being in the Inquisition.

How that fit with the PC leading the Inquisition is probably something we will learn later (probably in 1.5 years).

She can't be a companion, the one who will following the protagonist butt all the time, she must be a faction leader who the protagonist must deal with.

You can believe what ever you wants, but she is the character with the most companion-status hints. Actually, she's the only character with hints of being a companion outside of the survey leak, where she was also mentioned as being a companion.

DAI story might not be what you think it's going to be and BioWare have done leaders following the PC around before (Aveline, Bastilla, Silk Fox, etc).

[edeheusch]

I agree with the OP about the fact that we will probably be joined early by a Warrior (tank) companion and a Rogue companion but it doesn’t mean at all that it should be Cassandra and Varric.
Personally I don’t want (at all) any returning companion.
- Like some other have said Varric was one of Hawke’s companions and the inquisitor’s companion should be fresh ones.
- Considering what he went through during DA2, Varric should be much stronger than the inquisitor (until the very end of the game).
- I don’t want any previous companion to be ruined in DAI like Anders was ruined in DA2.
For the exact same reasons I don’t want Leliana to be returning in DAI as a companion although she is my favourite character of the whole DA franchise.    

Cassandra would be a perfect companion for DAI. She isn’t a new character but she was never a companion (and she should have an important role in DAI). I can see her to be your first companion and kind of your mentor in the game (like Alistair was in DAO) but they will have to find a good reason for why she isn’t leading the party although she is the Right Hand of the Divine. Actually I can also see her as the last companion than join your party after you have proved your value as inquisitor.

Music wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
That's a pretty good list. I am 90% sure the DLC freak is a spirit/demon. Would be the Javik of DA3.

Maker I hope its not a demon/spirit. I grow tired of having every mage the protagonist comes across having some sort of affinity toward spirits or demons. Just once I'd like to have a normal not posessed mage or other vessel. For DLC however, if anything I'd think it might be an Orlesian or a Grey Warden, but I'm suspecting it might be an Orlesian.

And while you make strong arguments OP, in a majority of BioWare's games you start off with a warrioresque companion and a companion that has an affinity toward magic. (DAO was Alistair/Morrigan at the beginning, ME was Ashley and Kaidan, NWN2 also had the same two types companions.Their names elude me...) They only changed it in DA2 based on your class. So it is still very possible that Cullen or Cassandra might be the first companions, and possibly even Morrigan if she returns as a companion or another mage at the beginning. They could give us Varric too though, it could also be based on one's class who you get first...that'd be something.

In NWN2 you first (permanent) companions were Khelgar (fighter), Neeshka (rogue) and Elanee (druid) in that order (so the rogue came before the spellcaster). But NWN2 is not a Bioware game but an Obsidian game.

Modifié par edeheusch, 21 juin 2013 - 01:07 .

[Nethalf]

edeheusch wrote...
Personally I don’t want (at all) any returning companion. 

But there will be one or two old teammates. There ever was. The question is who it will be. My money is on swamp witch and chest hair dwarf. But that's just what I think. What I want is Leliana and Sigrun.

Modifié par Nethalf, 21 juin 2013 - 01:24 .

[edeheusch]

Nethalf wrote...

edeheusch wrote...
Personally I don’t want (at all) any returning companion.

But there will be one or two old teammates. There ever was. The question is who it will be. My money is on swamp witch and chest hair dwarf. But that's just what I think. What I want is Leliana and Sigrun.

Bioware never announced that they will be some returning companion.
Morover in DA2 there wasn’t any returning companion from the OC of DAO and the retuning companion from DAOA was Anders who (to my point of view) was the worst (=less well written) companion of DA2.

Let’s be clear, when I say no retuning companion I mean no permanent companion returning as permanent companion.
I had no problem with Merrill as a companion in DA2 and I would not have any problem if Leliana, Varric or Morrigan help you for a few quests in DAI (but if it is the case they should be badass characters) or if Tallis is a companion in DAI.

[iOnlySignIn]

Luiren wrote...

I'd take him over angry Cassandra

But she's so cute when she's angry XD

Thomas Andresen wrote...

A companion based on Inigo Montoya would make my day. 

You actually have one. He's Zevran.

[iOnlySignIn]

Solmanian wrote...

we're pretty much sick of the "tradional" tank/healer/dps trio. ME doesn't have it, and it's to it's credits.

That's because in ME the classes are not balanced with each other.

You don't need tank/healer/dps trio because Soldiers and Infiltrators rule and you'd be gimping yourself by not playing them.

azarhal wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Cassandra also will not be a companion, it is nbecause from the trailer we see her handling her own group alone without the protagonist, so she will not be the companion, just a faction leader our protagonist must deal with

The people she's leading have the Inquisition symbol embossed on their armor. She's even sporting a stylized Inquisition symbol on her tabard. The trailer point to Cassandra being in the Inquisition.

How that fit with the PC leading the Inquisition is probably something we will learn later (probably in 1.5 years).

It's a Bastila - Revan relationship I bet.

[Milan92]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

we're pretty much sick of the "tradional" tank/healer/dps trio. ME doesn't have it, and it's to it's credits.

That's because in ME the classes are not balanced with each other.

You don't need tank/healer/dps trio because Soldiers and Infiltrators rule and you'd be gimping yourself by not playing them.

azarhal wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Cassandra also will not be a companion, it is nbecause from the trailer we see her handling her own group alone without the protagonist, so she will not be the companion, just a faction leader our protagonist must deal with

The people she's leading have the Inquisition symbol embossed on their armor. She's even sporting a stylized Inquisition symbol on her tabard. The trailer point to Cassandra being in the Inquisition.

How that fit with the PC leading the Inquisition is probably something we will learn later (probably in 1.5 years).

It's a Bastila - Revan relationship I bet.

That would be great. 

[iOnlySignIn]

edeheusch wrote...

I agree with the OP about the fact that we will probably be joined early by a Warrior (tank) companion and a Rogue companion but it doesn’t mean at all that it should be Cassandra and Varric.

You and everyone else who said this have a good point. I just think Cassandra and Varric are top candidates in either category because of how prominent and popular they are. As Varric puts it, "Seems like the logical choice." But you never know.

- Considering what he went through during DA2, Varric should be much stronger than the inquisitor (until the very end of the game).

Does the PC have to be stronger than all his companions throughout?

I could argue that Varric can easily become stronger than Hawke in DA2 if Hawke plays an Archer using a bow that does Physical Damage (about 98% of bows do Physical Damage btw). Bianca's Song + Well Oiled is a ton of multiplicative DPS increase, and if you let Varric keep the shard Bianca becomes the best Archery weapon in this game pass Level 25 (except Hood's Message which is DLC and OP by design) because it automatically upgrades. The only way Hawke can surpass Varric as an Archer is to use a Fire damage bow (Hood's Message or Jackal's) and stack up on +% Fire damage gear. But (1) very few people know to play like that and (2) it's a form of gamesmanship IMO and (3) it doesn't work against Dragons, Rage Demons, Qunari, or the Varteral. 

So yeah. Varric is pretty absurdly awesome. It's not his fault.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 juin 2013 - 03:07 .

[KainD]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Another option is Cullen. He'd of course be an anti-Magic tank who will be very useful since you will likely fight a large number of demons in DA3. However, the problem is he has a pretty clear anti-Mage sentiment. If the Inquisitor is pro-Mage this may cause Cullen to leave the party. So Cullen is less likely than Cassandra to be the main/first tank of the party.

You think Cassandra will help me fight for mage freedom against templars? 

[iOnlySignIn]

KainD wrote...

You think Cassandra will help me fight for mage freedom against templars? 

Yep. Have you read Asunder? Or played Dragon Age 2 as an Aggressive pro-Mage Mage Hawke?

But of course, BioWare is not known for contuity of characters across different games (cough!Liara!cough). I'm basing this mostly on my interpretation of Cassandra in DA2 because that's the main source I have available.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 juin 2013 - 03:11 .

[KainD]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

KainD wrote...

You think Cassandra will help me fight for mage freedom against templars? 

Yep. Have you read Asunder? Or played Dragon Age 2 as an Aggressive pro-Mage Mage Hawke?

No to first one, but you can spoil some to me about Cassandra's attitude in it. And it's imposible to play as a pro-mage Hawke, the plot rail-roads Hawke to be in the midle and not take sides, I wouldn't go complete a single quest on Meredith's or any templars behalf if I could. 

Modifié par KainD, 21 juin 2013 - 03:12 .

[Boycott Bioware]

azarhal wrote...
You can believe what ever you wants, but she is the character with the most companion-status hints. Actually, she's the only character with hints of being a companion outside of the survey leak, where she was also mentioned as being a companion.

DAI story might not be what you think it's going to be and BioWare have done leaders following the PC around before (Aveline, Bastilla, Silk Fox, etc).

Aveline following Hawke around can be justified by Hawke is a crime magnet, Aveline doing her job cover up for Hawke all the time. But still there are some things doesn't make sense, such as Aveline say and do nothing witnessing Hawke assassinate a noble in public in day light, Aveline approve Hawke killing a wanted murderer, Kelder, and deny the proper trial (no matter what i find it unjustified, Hawke is not an executioner or a judge, it is a murder and a crime) and many things (Edit : Sister Petrice say Hawke must smuggle Ketojan out through underground passageway to avoid guards, she said that infront of a Guard Captain, lol)

Bastila is a leader, true, but only on a very little part, we never see her leading, on Taris she no longer the general because she no longer have a crew and her mission failed. It is just she is an egocentric, still believing she is a leader. What we do on Taris is just to rescue Bastila and find a way to escape that planet. Afterward, Revan officially become a leader of a new mission to find the Star Map and Bastilla acting as observer. When Revan goes to dark path she will babbling and she keep babbling about Dark Side no matter what, then she goes to the Dark Side lol. So Bastila writing is very good compared with Aveline

I fear if Cassandra become a companion, some things will not make sense like Aveline

Modifié par Qistina, 21 juin 2013 - 03:23 .

[iOnlySignIn]

KainD wrote...

No to first one, but you can spoil some to me about Cassandra's attitude in it. And it's imposible to play as a pro-mage Hawke, the plot rail-roads Hawke to be in the midle and not take sides, I wouldn't go complete a single quest on Meredith's or any templars behalf if I could. 

Cassandra is not actually in Asunder, but it provides for a very good reason about Cassandra's attitude towards Mages. Basically, Divine Justinia is pro-Mage (more out of necessity than sentiment, but still), which is what caused the Templars to rebel and start the war. Cassandra is a seeker loyal to the Divine's will, which is why she does not hold back her admiration for even the most radical Mage Hawke.

So the idea is that loyalty to the Chantry is separate from loyalty to the Templars now. The latter is clearly anti-Mage while the former is ambiguous at most. It's likely these two positions are represented by Cassandra and Cullen in DA:I.

[iOnlySignIn]

Qistina wrote...

Aveline following Hawke around can be justified by Hawke is a crime magnet, Aveline doing her job cover up for Hawke all the time. But still there are some things doesn't make sense, such as Aveline say and do nothing witnessing Hawke assassinate a noble in public in day light, Aveline approve Hawke killing a wanted murderer, Kelder, and deny the proper trial (no matter what i find it unjustified, Hawke is not an executioner or a judge, it is a murder and a crime) and many things (Edit : Sister Petrice say Hawke must smuggle Ketojan out through underground passageway to avoid guards, she said that infront of a Guard Captain, lol)

I fear if Cassandra become a companion, some things will not make sense like Aveline

Yeah but I think BioWare does an OK job of it.

If you Rival Aveline she basically tells you she would rather arrest you and put you on trial, but she owes you a life debt for saving her from the Blight. 

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 juin 2013 - 04:09 .

[KainD]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

So the idea is that loyalty to the Chantry is separate from loyalty to the Templars now.

But chantry invented the circles and the templars in the first place. Or does Divine Justinia now think that it was a mistake or something? 

[iOnlySignIn]

KainD wrote...

But chantry invented the circles and the templars in the first place.

Short answer, no.

http://dragonage.wik...Nevarran_Accord

[KainD]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Short answer, no.

http://dragonage.wik...Nevarran_Accord

I just read again through codex of Nevarran Accord, Seekers, and I don't see how Cassandra could be pro-mage libertarian.
Also after reading Inquisition codex, I don't even see how the player could support it. 

[neonmoth]

That's an interesting op, I never thought about the order in which we get companions, so thanks for pointing it out. As for the tank, I agree with some posters that it rather won't be Cass, since she seems more dps. Yet of all of the characters from the trailer I see her as the most likely companion. She wasn't a follower in the past title and she became almost the face of the Inquisition, with hints all over the place, being a developer's favourite pet and so on. There is still not enough info about our protagonist to make a guess in what role we will see her but at this point she is the Hero of Orlais and our Inquisitor is nobody, so I settle on initially mentoring him/her. I would love our protagonist to combine fresh start with having some sort of reverence among folk, e.g. someone who has some sort of reputation but hid themselves from the world.

About Varric, I am torn. I would love to see him again yet I don't know if they will be tempted to bring a full blown companion from the previous game, even if it's a fan favourite. I thought that they brought him into the trailer simply because he was such an important character in da2, telling Hawke's story, whilst being interrogated by Cassandra. Those two provide a nice connection between the two games and give a sense of continuity.

Finally, Morrigan (and Leliana for that matter) is too tangled with the Warden. I just can't see them bringing past LIs to play a major role in the story. I know they could be a non-LI companions but what's the point. I wouldn't want them as much as I wouldn't want to see male LIs from the origins.

On some level I expect Bioware guys 'trolling' us by showing only non-companion characters in the trailer :] Especially that they were so secretive about them before da2 release.

Modifié par neonmoth, 21 juin 2013 - 04:58 .

[neonmoth]

KainD wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Short answer, no.

http://dragonage.wik...Nevarran_Accord

I just read again through codex of Nevarran Accord, Seekers, and I don't see how Cassandra could be pro-mage libertarian.
Also after reading Inquisition codex, I don't even see how the player could support it. 

I can see that the serious threat over Thedas could take precedence over the other issues, at least for our companions. And differences in viewpoints will add some interesting dynaminc between them (as long as it's not constant b!tching a la Fenris and Anders). There still will be tensions but they can be solved after the sh!tstorm is taken care of.