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[iOnlySignIn]

KainD wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Short answer, no.

http://dragonage.wik...Nevarran_Accord

I just read again through codex of Nevarran Accord, Seekers, and I don't see how Cassandra could be pro-mage libertarian.
Also after reading Inquisition codex, I don't even see how the player could support it. 

Could you see Shepard joining Cerberus back in ME1? 

[edeheusch]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

- Considering what he went through during DA2, Varric should be much stronger than the inquisitor (until the very end of the game).

Does the PC have to be stronger than all his companions throughout?

I could argue that Varric can easily become stronger than Hawke in DA2 if Hawke plays an Archer using a bow that does Physical Damage (about 98% of bows do Physical Damage btw). Bianca's Song + Well Oiled is a ton of multiplicative DPS increase, and if you let Varric keep the shard Bianca becomes the best Archery weapon in this game pass Level 25 (except Hood's Message which is DLC and OP by design) because it automatically upgrades. The only way Hawke can surpass Varric as an Archer is to use a Fire damage bow (Hood's Message or Jackal's) and stack up on +% Fire damage gear. But (1) very few people know to play like that and (2) it's a form of gamesmanship IMO and (3) it doesn't work against Dragons, Rage Demons, Qunari, or the Varteral. 

So yeah. Varric is pretty absurdly awesome. It's not his fault.

When I speak about the fact that Varric should be much stronger than your inquisitor, I speak about the fact that Varric was in the party that fought plenty of powerful demons, dragons, an army of Qunari and an army of Templars/Mages. By opposition the Inquisitor should be a starting adventurer that has not fought anything stronger than a giant rat.
 
To summarize Varric should start by being a Rogue about level 25 where the Inquisitor should be a Rogue/Warrior/Mage level 1 that would not even be a treat to Varric.

[KainD]

edeheusch wrote...
By opposition the Inquisitor should be a starting adventurer that has not fought anything stronger than a giant rat.

How do you know that? The background could be anything. 

[KainD]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Could you see Shepard joining Cerberus back in ME1? 

I didn't even know what cerberus was properly back in ME1. It's a little bit different situation though. 
I guess we will just have to wait and see. 

[lastpatriot]

KainD wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Could you see Shepard joining Cerberus back in ME1? 

I didn't even know what cerberus was properly back in ME1. It's a little bit different situation though. 
I guess we will just have to wait and see. 

Did you do all the N7 missions?  Shepard had several really terrible situations in dealing with Cerberus and even before ME:2 was released, my Shepard pretty much was out to kill every member of Cerberus she could find.

[azarhal]

KainD wrote...

edeheusch wrote...
By opposition the Inquisitor should be a starting adventurer that has not fought anything stronger than a giant rat.

How do you know that? The background could be anything. 

I think people should expect the game to make abstraction of characters level in term of storytelling and companions. Everyone will be close to the PC level despite their 20+ years of experience. All previous BioWare games have followed that partern.

[Eveangaline]

I kind of hope Varric wont, just because I'd rather we get people who haven't been companions before.

[Thomas Andresen]

Eveangaline wrote...

I kind of hope Varric wont, just because I'd rather we get people who haven't been companions before.

I don't have a link for you, so don't quote me on this, but I think it's been pretty much confirmed that "companions will be a mix of old and new characters". Granted, I don't know that they didn't specifically say "old companions", but it's a safe assumption.

[LobselVith8]

KainD wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Yep. Have you read Asunder? Or played Dragon Age 2 as an Aggressive pro-Mage Mage Hawke?

No to first one, but you can spoil some to me about Cassandra's attitude in it. And it's imposible to play as a pro-mage Hawke, the plot rail-roads Hawke to be in the midle and not take sides, I wouldn't go complete a single quest on Meredith's or any templars behalf if I could. 

It's not impossible, just hard to maintain.  Hawke can express these views, but that the writing is inconsistent in following through. Hawke can tell Anders he wants to kill all the templars, that he wants to overthrow the templars, and he can condemn the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery, but the player can't follow through on these character traits because of inconsistent writing and railroading - like being forced to work for the templars and the Chantry at certain points in the story because the Plot Dictates.

[rolson00]

i dont really want cassandra but wud be good to have carric

[edeheusch]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I kind of hope Varric wont, just because I'd rather we get people who haven't been companions before.

I don't have a link for you, so don't quote me on this, but I think it's been pretty much confirmed that "companions will be a mix of old and new characters". Granted, I don't know that they didn't specifically say "old companions", but it's a safe assumption.

There were plenty of speculation stating that but I have not seen anything about that from any informed person. Unless somebody can show a link (for me) it would only be a speculation that has been made so often than many people believe that it has been confirmed.

azarhal wrote...

I think people should expect the game to make abstraction of characters level in term of storytelling and companions. Everyone will be close to the PC level despite their 20+ years of experience. All previous BioWare games have followed that partern.

Unfortunately! However, even if they separate the gameplay from the storyline it is logical that the PC and is companion become stronger during the game (and that your new Grey Warden recruit would not have been able to beat the Archdemon before Ostragar).  

[Solmanian]

Mages continuing their war against the templar and chantry AFTER the veil is torn, demonic armies spilling into thedas and reality itself is threatened... Makes about as much sense as the quarians choosing to break 300 years of defacto "cease fire" with the geth in the middle of the reaper war.

[esper]

LobselVith8 wrote...

KainD wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Yep. Have you read Asunder? Or played Dragon Age 2 as an Aggressive pro-Mage Mage Hawke?

No to first one, but you can spoil some to me about Cassandra's attitude in it. And it's imposible to play as a pro-mage Hawke, the plot rail-roads Hawke to be in the midle and not take sides, I wouldn't go complete a single quest on Meredith's or any templars behalf if I could. 

It's not impossible, just hard to maintain.  Hawke can express these views, but that the writing is inconsistent in following through. Hawke can tell Anders he wants to kill all the templars, that he wants to overthrow the templars, and he can condemn the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery, but the player can't follow through on these character traits because of inconsistent writing and railroading - like being forced to work for the templars and the Chantry at certain points in the story because the Plot Dictates.

Furthermore if you romance Anders, you can be totally pro-war too and say stuf like 'This is a time for war'. And Meridith basically forces you into helping her by threathing mageHawke, Bethanty, Merrill and/Or Anders. You can still throw you decision a hundred percent behind Orsino and let mages go every chance you get. (Only Grace is stupid enough to be caught).

As for Cassandra and Varric joining. Cassandra is likely (unfortunately, I don't see my protagonist having much want for an rather stupid conspiracy theorist that is likely pro-chantry). Varric, I don't know. He is cool, but we had him in a prominent companion role once. I want new characters.

[Eveangaline]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I kind of hope Varric wont, just because I'd rather we get people who haven't been companions before.

I don't have a link for you, so don't quote me on this, but I think it's been pretty much confirmed that "companions will be a mix of old and new characters". Granted, I don't know that they didn't specifically say "old companions", but it's a safe assumption.

I don't mind if they're old characters, just so long as they've never been companions.

[azarhal]

esper wrote...

Varric, I don't know. He is cool, but we had him in a prominent companion role once. I want new characters.

The Inquisition needs someone with a spy network...

[ComfortablyNumb]

LobselVith8 wrote...
It looks like you put a lot of thought into this, but I hope Cassandra and Varric aren't mandatory companions. I'm hoping it's similar to Leliana and Sten, where you have the option to recruit them or refuse them.

but also this:

Filament wrote...
Again? I don't fancy having the same companion two games in a row for different protagonists, even if Varric was the best companion in DA2.

And now I'm out of this topic. Too many posters hoping for characters from books/comics to be companions. Which I really, really hope won't be the case   

[iOnlySignIn]

azarhal wrote...

esper wrote...

Varric, I don't know. He is cool, but we had him in a prominent companion role once. I want new characters.

The Inquisition needs someone with a spy network...

Very, very good point.  Varric is a unique character in many ways and they more than enough justify his return.

[Eveangaline]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

azarhal wrote...

esper wrote...

Varric, I don't know. He is cool, but we had him in a prominent companion role once. I want new characters.

The Inquisition needs someone with a spy network...

Very, very good point.  Varric is a unique character in many ways and they more than enough justify his return.

Isn't his network confined to one city though?

[Nightdragon8]

Eveangaline wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

azarhal wrote...

esper wrote...

Varric, I don't know. He is cool, but we had him in a prominent companion role once. I want new characters.

The Inquisition needs someone with a spy network...

Very, very good point.  Varric is a unique character in many ways and they more than enough justify his return.

Isn't his network confined to one city though?

honestly hard to say on that one... I mean when you are talking a spy network there is always someone who knowns someone who knows someone in some other city...

its abit cliche but its still there.....

so its either Liliana or Varric we get. Tho I would guess Lili would be more on her own than anything.

[Eveangaline]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

azarhal wrote...

esper wrote...

Varric, I don't know. He is cool, but we had him in a prominent companion role once. I want new characters.

The Inquisition needs someone with a spy network...

Very, very good point.  Varric is a unique character in many ways and they more than enough justify his return.

Isn't his network confined to one city though?

honestly hard to say on that one... I mean when you are talking a spy network there is always someone who knowns someone who knows someone in some other city...

its abit cliche but its still there.....

so its either Liliana or Varric we get. Tho I would guess Lili would be more on her own than anything.

Or we could get a new spymaster whose method is to walk into places and demand they tell her/him everything or s/he'll beat everyone to death.

It's surprisingly effective.

[iOnlySignIn]

Eveangaline wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

azarhal wrote...

esper wrote...

Varric, I don't know. He is cool, but we had him in a prominent companion role once. I want new characters.

The Inquisition needs someone with a spy network...

Very, very good point.  Varric is a unique character in many ways and they more than enough justify his return.

Isn't his network confined to one city though?

The Legacy and MotA DLCs indicate otherwise. 

Eveangaline wrote...

Or we could get a new spymaster whose method is to walk into places and demand they tell her/him everything or s/he'll beat everyone to death.

It's surprisingly effective.

Like Aveline? Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. Aveline didn't catch Quentin in time partly because her style of investigation cannot deal with every situation adequately.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 01 juillet 2013 - 06:24 .

[Eveangaline]

Actually, thinking, we'll probably get very temporary companions who die rather quickly first. Like the previous games.

[Medhia Nox]

@Eveangaline: I'd like this to be a theme throughout the entire game actually (with exceptions).

I'd even kill the sacred cow - the PC - and have the player take on multiple roles.

Yes - I know, blasphemy.

[rapscallioness]

I really don't think Varric is gonna be a companion. He was already a full fledged companion thru out DA2. I don't see them doing that. I

I do see him as being a type of quest giver. Having an important role in DAI. Someone we meet w/ fairly regularly to get info.

Cassandra...I could see being a companion, but not really sure.

I don;t even think Morrigan is gonna be an actual companion, but an important person in DAI that can help/hinder our PC. Maybe a quest giver, too.

[Twisted Path]

Won't your very first companion will be someone who dies at some point in the tutorial mission? I'm pretty sure that's tradition.