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[Gabbenator8787]

 Which puppet of the Reapers is better and why? Ide have to slightly favor TIM simply because hes a better written and a more ambigous character. However I did greatly prefer the final confrontation between Saren at the end of ME 1 much more than anything relating to ME 3 and Prority Earth. 

Modifié par Gabbenator8787, 20 juin 2013 - 09:34 .

[Sir DeLoria]

TIM because Martin Sheen.

[ioannisdenton]

Both were great villains in my eyes. 'Tis a tie for me.

[Nightwriter]

Shepard's interactions with both of them left something to be desired for me.

I thought TIM could have been an intriguing and ambiguous character, but in ME2 my dealings with him mostly consisted of him giving Shepard orders and screwing Shepard over whenever he liked while Shepard threw ineffectual tantrums. Not what I'd call fulfilling interaction. By ME3 TIM had gone full evil and his "ambiguity" was a laughable pipe dream.

Saren just sneered at me for a while, made me look like an idiot in front of the Council, and then all the sudden became magically susceptible to some pretty ordinary sounding arguments from Shepard on Virmire. I guess these seeds of doubt bloomed instantly because in the very next mission he was implanted by Sovereign so he wouldn't be susceptible to Shepard's powerful everyman logic anymore. He ended up killing himself. I appreciated having the power to customize that outcome even if I thought the execution was off.

[Steelcan]

The one who found a way to Control Reapers, despite becoming indoctrinated. Pretty impressive IMHO

[The Night Mammoth]

Saren, because he was at least half interesting and a little compelling. The Illusive Man was just kind of boring.

[David7204]

Anyone here watch Breaking Bad?

Would you consider Gus Fring a good villain?

Modifié par David7204, 20 juin 2013 - 09:27 .

[mumba]

TIM because he has a super sexy voice. Saren's way of pronouncing "Sovereign" pisses me off.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Anyone here watch Breaking Bad?

Would you consider Gus Fring a good villain?

You don't believe in good villains?

[David7204]

See, I'm not sure I would. I asked that question to compare standards.

[grey_wind]

Neither.

I liked TIM in ME2 but having him lolindoctrinatedz was terrible writing.

Sraen was just a lot of wasted potential. He'd have been a far more interesting character if he wasn't lolevil from the start of the game, and had the whole idea of "is submission not preferable to extinction" been fleshed out. The "union of flesh and steel" was another interesting concept that gets thrown under a bus 5 seconds after it's introduced.

Modifié par grey_wind, 20 juin 2013 - 09:33 .

[David7204]

Good in quality.

[Mr.House]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Let's see, the idiot who got himself indoctrinated, or the other idiot who also got himseld indoctrinated?

Tough choice.

I pick Brooks, at least she didn't get indoctrinated.

[Sir DeLoria]

Mumba1511 wrote...

TIM because he has a super sexy voice.

Two words: Martin. Sheen.

One of my favourite actors ever since Apocalypse Now. Too bad his son is a complete retard.

[Big Bad]

When Saren got reapertech implanted after Virmire, did his appearance change at all? I never noticed a change, especially since he looks fairly cyborg-y even when we meet him on Eden Prime.

[bleetman]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Let's see, the idiot who got himself indoctrinated, or the other idiot who also got himself indoctrinated?

Tough choice.

Pretty much.

I suppose TIM bothers me more  due to all the wasted potential. Saren is presented as a villan from the go, and aside from the one chat with Liara, never really wavers from that. He just ends up being a different type of villan. TIM was, at least, presented initially in a more ambiguous way, and they could've run with that to make him a morally abhorrent but possibly justifiable character. They could've made his ends justify his means. ME2 tried, and although it never really pulled it off in any way I found convincing, the potential was still there. ME3 just squandered all that.

StreetMagic wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

When Saren got reapertech implanted after Virmire, did his appearance change at all? I never noticed a change, especially since he looks fairly cyborg-y even when we meet him on Eden Prime.

Yeah, he always looked like that. Kind of a bad mistake. Again, it would have been better to see his gradual decline, both mentally and physically.

I seem to remember he gets a bit more... glowy? But yes. That would've been amazing. My inability to point out that he has a freaking Geth arm instead of his own at the initial council meeting is going to bug me forever.

Modifié par bleetman, 20 juin 2013 - 09:49 .

[Gabbenator8787]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Let's see, the idiot who got himself indoctrinated, or the other idiot who also got himself indoctrinated?

Tough choice.

While I agree Saren willingly allowing himself to accept reaper implants was probably pushing it a little beyond narrative belivability his overall character arc was more tragic than pure stupid evil. TIM was butchered along with nearly every other character in ME 3. Im giving props to his character story overall (ie. ME 2 and countless books and lore) rather than the derptard he eventually morphed into.

Modifié par Gabbenator8787, 20 juin 2013 - 09:46 .

[Ravensword]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Let's see, the idiot who got himself indoctrinated, or the other idiot who also got himself indoctrinated?

Tough choice.

Well, the latter was an idiot who thought he could keep from getting indoctrinated, but failed. At least he tried, lol.

[Kataphrut94]

I kind of prefer the Illusive Man's ultimate goal; trying to find a way to control the Reapers is much more elegant and effective than simply trying to surrender to them. Plus, I love the idea of a man who can look at any impossible task and say "all you need is enough money!" He didn't even need the Lazarus Project; he could have just phoned up the Grim Reaper and said "tell me what God's offering you; I'll double it."

That said, I think Saren was the better written of the two; his betrayal on Eden Prime set the scene beautifully and there was a much better sense of focus. His dialogue confrontation was somewhat better done than the Illusive Man's as well, even if it was hampered by the silly boss battle.