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[lolerk53]

This is an idea I came up with for Mass Effect 4.
Guns may shoot forever until overheating, just like in Mass Effect 1.
However, if you overheat, you can press the reload button to use up a thermal clip to instantly cool your weapon.
This is a mix between the Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2-3 systems.

In addition to that, Bioware should make thermal clips a rare commodity.
This will make you think "Is it worth it using up a thermal clip to cool down now or should I just wait for it to cool down normally?".
You should be able to buy those before missions to restock (At a pretty hefty price), and enemies should very rarely drop them.

[Sanunes]

After experiencing overheating with the weapons provided in Mass Effect 3, I rather they keep the system as it is now.

To me the reason why the system was changed was because of being being trigger happy and never having to think before shooting, so having any kind of overheating system is just going to go back to that direction unless they have systems in place that discourage it.

[KaiserShep]

There's a couple of guns that pretty much work the exact same way that you can get via DLC. The only two I know of are the Prothean particle rifle, and the M7 Lancer. Long cooldown times and possibly decaying the thermal clip would be a nice way to promote better management of your shots.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 21 juin 2013 - 03:08 .

[David7204]

It really doesn't make much sense that thermal clips would be very expensive.

[voteDC]

I think the Particle Rifle and Lancer are great. Yes you have 'infinite ammo' but if you don't watch your shots then the cool-down puts you in a very vulnerable position as you can't just slap in a new clip.

[KaiserShep]

I like the Particle Rifle, but as one who favors the more biotic heavy classes, I rule it out since it's a heavier weapon. The M7 Lancer is perfect for that though, since with just that and my shotgun on Vanguard, I get great a great cooldown time period.

[samurai crusade]

I could care less about shooting mechanics. You want a good ME4? Build an incredible story, planetary exploration, add in some crazy alien characters to befriend and battle. Add in some heart break, an "actual" villain, and a nice soundtrack, And you've got yourself a game!

[KaiserShep]

A good soundtrack sounds kind of like a guarantee, given the track record of the franchise thus far. Planetary exploration would be awesome to have back, but none of this Hammerhead business. All I need is our good friend the Mako, or Mako equivalent, with a few more control options and more realistic driving dynamics. Of course none of this matters if the story and writing are off the mark, but get all this in the package deal and I'm sold.

[welsh4evr]

David7204 wrote...

It really doesn't make much sense that thermal clips would be very expensive.

shortage of good heat conductor's after the war?? maybe the reaper's worked by taking all of the heat conducting minerals from the planet's and so after the war they find that they only have the stocks they had left and can't make much more so are rationing them for the military. 

This would also provide a basis for them to modify all of there weapons so that thermal clips arn't a neccesity.

[lolerk53]

welsh4evr wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It really doesn't make much sense that thermal clips would be very expensive.

shortage of good heat conductor's after the war?? maybe the reaper's worked by taking all of the heat conducting minerals from the planet's and so after the war they find that they only have the stocks they had left and can't make much more so are rationing them for the military. 

This would also provide a basis for them to modify all of there weapons so that thermal clips arn't a neccesity.

That was one of my ideas but I was too lazy to write that
I wrote this thread in the middle of the night, I just wanted to write it and go to sleep.

[JamesFaith]

Great idea, OP.

You just elegantly solved one of biggest problems with prequels and midquels by this. Your hybrid solution should be easily used as inter-stage between ME1 overheating systems and ME2 thermal clip system.

[firesprite1123]

KaiserShep wrote...

A good soundtrack sounds kind of like a guarantee, given the track record of the franchise thus far. Planetary exploration would be awesome to have back, but none of this Hammerhead business. All I need is our good friend the Mako, or Mako equivalent, with a few more control options and more realistic driving dynamics. Of course none of this matters if the story and writing are off the mark, but get all this in the package deal and I'm sold.

the hammerhead was horrible, but the make was almost just as bad. i would like to see a new ground vehicle period

[Malanek]

There should be guns that over heat and guns that need ammo, just like in ME3 multiplayer. Variety is good. I don't think a hybrid would be a good idea because the reload key is already needed for either one and the gun would effectively be superior to the other models so would need to deal less damage to balance it.

[KaiserShep]

firesprite1123 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

A good soundtrack sounds kind of like a guarantee, given the track record of the franchise thus far. Planetary exploration would be awesome to have back, but none of this Hammerhead business. All I need is our good friend the Mako, or Mako equivalent, with a few more control options and more realistic driving dynamics. Of course none of this matters if the story and writing are off the mark, but get all this in the package deal and I'm sold.

the hammerhead was horrible, but the make was almost just as bad. i would like to see a new ground vehicle period

The vehicle wouldn't necessarily have to be new. There's no reason why the driving dynamics can't be improved. That said, I've read that people had different experiences with the Mako's handling on different platforms. On PS3, the Mako was actually easy to adjust to, and now I love the thing. I never played the PC or XBox version, so I can't speak for those. For sake of having variety, I'd like to see a new vehicle anyway, but I just hope it's not another hovering tank, if they do bother with a ground vehicle at all. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 24 juin 2013 - 09:22 .

[l7986]

Would totally love to see this, especially since I refuse to believe that in the 2 years for ME2 and 3 for ME3 that somehow thermal clips managed to be rushed into such wide scale production that every single weapon in the galaxy was upgraded to that system. Seriously with R&D, contracts being awarded to the lowest bidder and a whole range of other ****, there's no way in hell thermal clips where rushed out that dam fast.

[Arcian]

samurai crusade wrote...

I could care less about shooting mechanics. You want a good ME4? Build an incredible story, planetary exploration, add in some crazy alien characters to befriend and battle. Add in some heart break, an "actual" villain, and a nice soundtrack, And you've got yourself a game!

It is "I couldn't care less". Please. Try to avoid mangling the english language.

[Erez Kristal]

I support this idea, i think its the best way to go

[PHGDAL]

Thank you! I always enjoyed both systems and was disappointed to see the ME1 system go. Your merge system is definitely one I would endorse.

[Bendigoe]

So almost like realistic reloading would be used in some form (like in Metro:Last Light).
I like this idea because it's gameplay that would make you think.

[Manimal]

lolerk53 wrote...

This is an idea I came up with for Mass Effect 4.
Guns may shoot forever until overheating, just like in Mass Effect 1.
However, if you overheat, you can press the reload button to use up a thermal clip to instantly cool your weapon.
This is a mix between the Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2-3 systems.

I like the first part.

[JMTolan]

Uh... Hate to rain on the parade here, but this was what ME2 was originally.

When the devs were making ME2, they used this hybrid system initially because, as has been said, it is attractive, versatile, and made sense in the universe. They scrapped it to the pure thermal clip system because either they or testing determined it was too complicated for most players. They opted instead to include the PArticle Rifle as a motion to the players who preferred that system, and later the M-7.

So despite it being a good idea, and relatively popular among fans who've heard of it, unlikely to happen. Unless they either change their minds or find a workable solution for the next game.

-Tolan

[lolerk53]

JMTolan wrote...

Uh... Hate to rain on the parade here, but this was what ME2 was originally.

When the devs were making ME2, they used this hybrid system initially because, as has been said, it is attractive, versatile, and made sense in the universe. They scrapped it to the pure thermal clip system because either they or testing determined it was too complicated for most players. They opted instead to include the PArticle Rifle as a motion to the players who preferred that system, and later the M-7.

So despite it being a good idea, and relatively popular among fans who've heard of it, unlikely to happen. Unless they either change their minds or find a workable solution for the next game.

-Tolan

I would like to see the people who thought it's too complicated because it's really simple to me 
Wait for cool down or expend a thermal clip to instantly cool down.

[DarthLaxian]

lolerk53 wrote...

This is an idea I came up with for Mass Effect 4.
Guns may shoot forever until overheating, just like in Mass Effect 1.
However, if you overheat, you can press the reload button to use up a thermal clip to instantly cool your weapon.
This is a mix between the Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2-3 systems.

In addition to that, Bioware should make thermal clips a rare commodity.
This will make you think "Is it worth it using up a thermal clip to cool down now or should I just wait for it to cool down normally?".
You should be able to buy those before missions to restock (At a pretty hefty price), and enemies should very rarely drop them.

i like that - because AMMO (curent thermal-clip system is AMMO, plain and simple, because weapons wont fire one bullet without havign one of those!) is so FPS-Shooter like and irritates me - but i would go one step further:

clips are not lying around, but each weapons has a cycle system with - depending on the weapon, the weapon-type and even the weapon-mods you have installed - with 2-"unlimited" (well not exactly) heat sinks, which are switched in for the one you just used up (meaning: the thermal-clip no longer is a throw-away item, it is part of the weapon)...meaning: yes, you have to take cover and cycle your gun if you want to go on shooting (or wait for it to cool down enough to continue firing) meaning you have both options and in an intense firefight waiting, which makes you vulnerable, can be avoided, while if you have just finished and intense fight you can wait

so best of both worlds (and no thermal-money-sink...i hated the new system and in a culture that uses weapons like the ME ones, no one would go back to what is essentially AMMO, which is bad for lenghty combat (you have to carry around lot's of thermal-clips) and expensive as compared to the established cooldown system (i system like the one mentioned above would be an upgrade, but the one we got is essentially a downgrade!)

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