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[Jerrybnsn]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Part of the reason for officially renaming the game to Dragon Age Inquisition is because "3"
 makes people think that HAVE to play DA 1 & DA2 before they can play DA3. This is not true as both fans who have played Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age II AND new fans who have not played a Dragon Age game period can play and enjoy Dragon Age Inquisition.

.... Some people played DAII expecting it to be Dragon Age Origins Part 2 and the continuation of their Warden character, which is wasn't intended to be. .............

And for that reason is why some Dragon Age fans are unhappy about the direction of the series.  They are expecting the this third DA game will righten the ship and get back to all those perceived hanging threads left of from the first one.  And there are a lot more fans that do want to continue with their Warden than you think.  This is only one forum,  you can look at all the other forums discussing the Dragon Age series and see that there is hope that they can continue with their Warden.  Just as they were unhappy about Hawke, they are unhappy about "Quincy".  Yes, he/she has a name now from the fans.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 21 juin 2013 - 04:09 .

[Plaintiff]

Taleroth wrote...
I don't know if that's reasoning I don't agree with or just trumping up a gimmick.

We didn't need the choices of Morrowind carrying over to Oblivion to make the world of The Elder Scrolls seem consistent. It's just completely unnecessary.

The entire video game industry is unnecessary, what's your point?

Yes, Bioware could've done what Bethesda does and just fudged the details so that every possible ending is accounted for in a vague way. But it didn't want to do that, and it didn't want to set its games many years apart from each other. Every entry in the series is meant to fall within the frame of time known as the 'Dragon Age'.

Not just unnecessary, but contrary to its intent. Showing characters from DAO and DAA damaged the consistency of the world. Since it retconned the epilogues, resurrected dead characters, and recharacterized others. Making the world consistent is the one thing it did not do.

Imports did not create the inconsistency, a lack of foresight did.

But whether or not you personally feel Bioware succeeded or failed, or how they failed, is completely outside the parameters of the discussion, which is only about what their stated goals are. And the fact remains; their intent is what it is, and regardless of any perceived flaws, their design goals have not changed.

[Jerrybnsn]

Filament wrote...

Because you couldn't just type DAI, nooooo. Are you one of the idiots that insisted "Rise to Power" or other words instead of its actual name, DA2, too?

Becaue DAI is Origins.  That's what I think evertime I see it.  Like most I just write DA3.

[Boycott Bioware]

Featherwick wrote...
What was left unanswered in DA:O? The game felt pretty conclusive to me.

So tell me, where Darkspawn really come from?

[Warden661]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Filament wrote...

Because you couldn't just type DAI, nooooo. Are you one of the idiots that insisted "Rise to Power" or other words instead of its actual name, DA2, too?

Becaue DAI is Origins.  That's what I think evertime I see it.  Like most I just write DA3.

Sounds like a personal problem. DAO is origins. DAI is Inquisition. I don't think Iv'e ever seen DAI used to mean Dragon Age Origins. Quite frankly, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

[Jerrybnsn]

Featherwick wrote...
What was left unanswered in DA:O? The game felt pretty conclusive to me.

And if Morrigan is in the third one, where am I?

[Jerrybnsn]

BoBear wrote...


Sounds like a personal problem. DAO is origins. DAI is Inquisition. I don't think Iv'e ever seen DAI used to mean Dragon Age Origins. Quite frankly, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Me neither.  That's why I call it DA3.  What's wrong with that?

[Shevy]

The renaming was a good move (imo) because it avoids the assumption of DA being a trilogy or the story of one protagonist. DA II should have done this too.

I actually like their approach of changing protagonists and only ties some story bits through known characters from the previous games, at least as long as they can avoid bringing back too much old characters and thus convey the feeling that Thedas is pretty small population-wise.

Another problem I see is the case with "what to do with the old protagonists?". I mean we are seeing it here at BSN with the huge amount of "Hawke/Warden in DAI?!" threads. They rose to important and powerful figures and just excluding them from such world changing things which seem to going to happen sounds inappropriate.

There has to be some conclusion beyond "they vanished".

[Cainhurst Crow]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Too bad?

They made it perfectly clear from the onset that the series was never going to be about one person or group.

Then why do they keep dragging the same group of characters around?

+1 logic

One companion and one npc from the previous game = the exact same group?

[Welsh Inferno]

Shevy_001 wrote...

Another problem I see is the case with "what to do with the old protagonists?". I mean we are seeing it here at BSN with the huge amount of "Hawke/Warden in DAI?!" threads. They rose to important and powerful figures and just excluding them from such world changing things which seem to going to happen sounds inappropriate.

There has to be some conclusion beyond "they vanished".

It'll be even worse if they dont address it at least a little in Inquisition. We'll have 3 missing ex-protagonists & a fourth on the way.

[Little Princess Peach]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Part of the reason for officially renaming the game to Dragon Age Inquisition is because "3"
 makes people think that HAVE to play DA 1 & DA2 before they can play DA3. This is not true as both fans who have played Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age II AND new fans who have not played a Dragon Age game period can play and enjoy Dragon Age Inquisition.

The Mass Effect trilogy was always designed to be the story of Commander Shepard. Dragon Age has always been the story of the world of Dragon Age rather than one character within that world. In Origins you played the warden, in II you played Hawke, now in Inquisition you have to deal with the Inquisition. DAI (which I use instead of typing out Inquisition) is a new chapter in the world, so we changed the name to reflect this.

I think that part of the reason some fans disliked DAII (along with reusing areas, changes to combat and yadda yadda) was that we didn't do a good enough job of explaining the change in story. Some people played DAII expecting it to be Dragon Age Origins Part 2 and the continuation of their Warden character, which is wasn't intended to be. We want to be very clear that Dragon Age Inquisition is a new chapter in the world of Dragon Age, so we dropped the 3 as we felt it tied the game too closely to the first two games.

Not that Dragon Age Inquisition will be 100% completely new. As you saw in the trailer, Morrigan, Varric & Cassandra play a role in the game. It is possible that other characters, places, things, stories, etc do as well. You'll learn more about that as we reveal more about DAI as we move towards launch next year.

so if Bioware make another Dragon Age game after DAI, it will bed called Dragon age X -add awesome title here-  so if you could change Dragon Age 2's title what would it of been instead of 2?,

[Warden661]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

BoBear wrote...


Sounds like a personal problem. DAO is origins. DAI is Inquisition. I don't think Iv'e ever seen DAI used to mean Dragon Age Origins. Quite frankly, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Me neither.  That's why I call it DA3.  What's wrong with that?

Nothing. I never said anything was wrong with calling it DA3. Everyone will know what you're talking about. I was talking about using DAI, which is something you seem to think is a big deal. I don't think it is and I didn't/don't understand your confusion and thinking it means Origins.

Modifié par BoBear, 21 juin 2013 - 04:35 .

[Fawx9]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Too bad?

They made it perfectly clear from the onset that the series was never going to be about one person or group.

Then why do they keep dragging the same group of characters around?

+1 logic

One companion and one npc from the previous game = the exact same group?

The problem is when those companions are cameo's but when they spount nonsense like your character leaving to go on another joruny, or suddenly dissapearing. It starts making you ask question, but it's annoying that those questions never get answered.

I'd be totally fine if the games turned into something like Theives World (would be a continent instead of a city I guess) but to do that you at least need to bring back the old heros from time to time. If they aren't going to bring them back, either let them be and not have them dissapear from people/postitions they were supposed to be in/with or steal plotlines from their story. If the do need to borrow from their story at least state what the heck happened so that we know one way or another what's going on. I can only guess a few Morigan fans will be questioning why the Warden isn't with her if she is a major player in this game.

[LPPrince]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Part of the reason for officially renaming the game to Dragon Age Inquisition is because "3"
 makes people think that HAVE to play DA 1 & DA2 before they can play DA3. This is not true as both fans who have played Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age II AND new fans who have not played a Dragon Age game period can play and enjoy Dragon Age Inquisition.

.... Some people played DAII expecting it to be Dragon Age Origins Part 2 and the continuation of their Warden character, which is wasn't intended to be. .............

And for that reason is why some Dragon Age fans are unhappy about the direction of the series.  They are expecting the this third DA game will righten the ship and get back to all those perceived hanging threads left of from the first one.  And there are a lot more fans that do want to continue with their Warden than you think.  This is only one forum,  you can look at all the other forums discussing the Dragon Age series and see that there is hope that they can continue with their Warden.  Just as they were unhappy about Hawke, they are unhappy about "Quincy".  Yes, he/she has a name now from the fans.

Whoa whoa whoa, lets slow down here.

Anyone who was around back then in the pre-DAO days up till now has known that from the VERY beginning, the story of Dragon Age was never going to follow ONE character. It was about the world of Thedas, and many stories in it.

If people are disappointed the Warden's story isn't continuing, they're basically hoping the entire intent behind DA change for their sake.

Could Bioware have done a better job in DA2 expressing that? Yeah.

But the people who think the Warden's story is coming back are the ones simply not accepting how the franchise has operated from the start. Thats not Bioware's problem.

Bioware's focus should be and is on making good games based in the Dragon Age of Thedas.

Nothing more.

[addiction21]

Jerrybnsn wrote...


And for that reason is why some Dragon Age fans are unhappy about the direction of the series.  They are expecting the this third DA game will righten the ship and get back to all those perceived hanging threads left of from the first one.  And there are a lot more fans that do want to continue with their Warden than you think.  This is only one forum,  you can look at all the other forums discussing the Dragon Age series and see that there is hope that they can continue with their Warden.  Just as they were unhappy about Hawke, they are unhappy about "Quincy".  Yes, he/she has a name now from the fans.

Then that is the problem of "some fans" and need to accept that was never the point of this franchise.

Instead of regurgitating it whenever they need something to moan about.

[Sylvianus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Part of the reason for officially renaming the game to Dragon Age Inquisition is because "3"
 makes people think that HAVE to play DA 1 & DA2 before they can play DA3. This is not true as both fans who have played Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age II AND new fans who have not played a Dragon Age game period can play and enjoy Dragon Age Inquisition.

The Mass Effect trilogy was always designed to be the story of Commander Shepard. Dragon Age has always been the story of the world of Dragon Age rather than one character within that world. In Origins you played the warden, in II you played Hawke, now in Inquisition you have to deal with the Inquisition. DAI (which I use instead of typing out Inquisition) is a new chapter in the world, so we changed the name to reflect this.

I think that part of the reason some fans disliked DAII (along with reusing areas, changes to combat and yadda yadda) was that we didn't do a good enough job of explaining the change in story. Some people played DAII expecting it to be Dragon Age Origins Part 2 and the continuation of their Warden character, which is wasn't intended to be. We want to be very clear that Dragon Age Inquisition is a new chapter in the world of Dragon Age, so we dropped the 3 as we felt it tied the game too closely to the first two games.

Not that Dragon Age Inquisition will be 100% completely new. As you saw in the trailer, Morrigan, Varric & Cassandra play a role in the game. It is possible that other characters, places, things, stories, etc do as well. You'll learn more about that as we reveal more about DAI as we move towards launch next year.

A good move. With good reasons to do so. And I like the new title. DA3 was too boring for a game which wasn't obviously intended to be a sequel.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 21 juin 2013 - 04:47 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Filament wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

One companion and one npc from the previous game = the exact same group?

Technically... Merrill, Isabela, Anders, Bodahn, Sandal, and cameos from Flemeth, Alistair, Zevran, Nathaniel, Leliana, Teagan and Isolde, and the rest of the Mahariel clan. I may be forgetting some.

But you're right, it's not the same group by any means.

Sten is going to be in the next one, I believe.

So it's like, how come everyone else is continuing on with their stories in this series except me?

[Welsh Inferno]

simfamSP wrote...

Varric was in DA:O?

WHERE?!

Here!

[Sutekh]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Sten is going to be in the next one, I believe.

So it's like, how come everyone else is continuing on with their stories in this series except me?

To get a new perspective, avoid the trope of everything happens around one single person (PC) and their being miraculously pivotal to each and every important events - which would be way more far-fetched than recurring NPCs in minor roles / companionship, and, above all, to not make DA the story of a person, but of a continent.

Also, what makes you think Sten will be in DAI?

[Fawx9]

addiction21 wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...


And for that reason is why some Dragon Age fans are unhappy about the direction of the series.  They are expecting the this third DA game will righten the ship and get back to all those perceived hanging threads left of from the first one.  And there are a lot more fans that do want to continue with their Warden than you think.  This is only one forum,  you can look at all the other forums discussing the Dragon Age series and see that there is hope that they can continue with their Warden.  Just as they were unhappy about Hawke, they are unhappy about "Quincy".  Yes, he/she has a name now from the fans.

Then that is the problem of "some fans" and need to accept that was never the point of this franchise.

Instead of regurgitating it whenever they need something to moan about.

Or Bioware has a to work on producing clearer endpoints for their characters. It's not fair to fans to have their character settled and then sent into ambiguousness because they suddenly dissaperead or a plot they should be invloved in is going on without them. That is unless they plan to bring them back later on.

Modifié par Fawx9, 21 juin 2013 - 05:01 .

[Jerrybnsn]

LPPrince wrote...


Anyone who was around back then in the pre-DAO days up till now has known that from the VERY beginning, the story of Dragon Age was never going to follow ONE character. It was about the world of Thedas, and many stories in it.

Actually, if you go back in the Origins' forum to before DA2 was released, you'll see that the return of their Warden is all that they are talking about.  It was never mentioned that the Dragon Age series was not going to be about just one hero until the announcement of DA2.

  If people are disappointed the Warden's story isn't continuing, they're basically hoping the entire intent behind DA change for their sake.

Actually, the intent of the Dragon Age series changed when EA took over in 2009.  That's why the Lead Director for Origins declined not to direct DA2 in what he called "Mass Effecting" what was suppose to be a series in the spirit of succession to Baldur's Gate.  And in Baldur's Gate you could have a protagonists play through all four of its games. (note:  I have tried playing it, but the games are soooo archaic that I just can't get into them)

But the people who think the Warden's story is coming back are the ones simply not accepting how the franchise has operated from the start. Thats not Bioware's problem.

I'm just expressing myself as a huge fan of the Bioware games and who is hoping for a great sequel to the Dragon Age series.  If the game does not succeed due to fans expectation of where this series is going, than Dragon Age 3 could end up like EA's Crysis 3 and Dead Space 3,........ and I expected much more than just three games from  the DA series.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 21 juin 2013 - 05:16 .