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[Kelgair]

Tharja wrote...

so if Bioware make another Dragon Age gameafter DAI, it will bed called Dragon age X -add awesome title here-  so if you could change Dragon Age 2's title what would it of been instead of 2?,

I believe that the original title for DA 2 was DA: Exodus, which I kinda prefer.  I think the name of one of the trailers Rise to Power would've made a good title too.

Welsh Inferno wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Varric was in DA:O?

WHERE?!

Here!

Heh, clearly before his beard fell onto his chest!

Modifié par Kelgair, 21 juin 2013 - 05:21 .

[Jerrybnsn]

discosuperfly wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Too bad?

They made it perfectly clear from the onset that the series was never going to be about one person or group.

I am astonished that some people are making such a big deal about this old news. I just... I don't get it.

They're called fans; from the word fanatic.  Everything is a big deal.

[Cirram55]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Varric was in DA:O?

WHERE?!

Here!

Not to mention the "Varick" in the Proving Grounds' hall 

[Ieldra]

Qistina wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
I think that part of the reason some fans disliked DAII (along with reusing areas, changes to combat and yadda yadda) was that we didn't do a good enough job of explaining the change in story. Some people played DAII expecting it to be Dragon Age Origins Part 2 and the continuation of their Warden character, which is wasn't intended to be.

So...what is the point of playing Dragon Age Inquisition if it is nothing to do with anything?

The problem here is not about The Warden story have ended, or DA is about the world ect ect ect...the problem is you guys leave DA:O with a lot of unanswered questions

*sigh*

Sometimes I wonder if people are really smarter than computers, apparently being unable to think anything but 0 or 1.

Rather obviously, they didn't say there would be *no* connection between games. All they said is each chapter will not be a linear continuation of the previous one. For instance, DA2 starts it story at a location we know from DAO, featuring the darkspawn invasion, an event we know from DAO. They're obviously connected, just not in a linear way.

Also, the greater story arc, of which each game is a chapter, is about the world. Featuring different locations and overlapping times, it's not linear, and it doesn't feature the same protagonists, but events in one chapter can and do influence events in the next one. A different character may have to deal with the fallout of some of the first one's decisions.

This also means that not everyone's story is necessarily told to its end. There will be dangling ends whose outcome won't affect the greater story arc, which are never fleshed out by any game or book. THAT IS AS IT SHOULD BE, as it leaves room for us to imagine the fates of some of the characters in the AU which is our version of Thedas.

Think of it as a tapestry of interwoven threads. Each thread tells a story, they meet at certain points and then go their own way again to meet other threads, some of which are never told by any game or book, and only the whole gives the history of Thedas in the part of the Dragon Age we are visiting and influencing in our games.

[Fawx9]

discosuperfly wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Too bad?

They made it perfectly clear from the onset that the series was never going to be about one person or group.

I am astonished that some people are making such a big deal about this old news. I just... I don't get it.

I for some it might be how they took DA2.

I have a freind that absolutley loathes that game(I can taste the hate at times) but still loves the idea of the franchise and what DA:O was able to pull off. He doesn't really follow forums/dev interviews so I doubt he knows or cares that it was intended to be a different protagonist each game. I asked him about the trailer and the main thing I took from him was a) Please don't be like DA2 and If the warden comes back he'll pre-order it full stop. He simply sees that DA:O is what he wants and thay anything like DA:2 will be basically a non start.

The Warden is not just the more liked character but has also become, to him and possibly others, the thing that stands for DA:O. When they say they want the Warden back, it can also be taken mean: can we please forget what happened and come back with something good and familliar.

[Boycott Bioware]

The conclusion i get is the cameos are false advertisement, and i got banned before for saying this in rude manner

If Bioware really want to create DA games that is not related with each other but the story about the world, then the end is the end, don't make cameos, do not bring back characters that are related in the previous game, just create new stories in far-far away countries in different time-line (can be in the same time-line but have no relation whatsoever with previous story)

I am a fan of Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone Fighting Fantasy series role-playing game books, the universe is the same in their books but each books (except some that have the same protagonist) have totally different story with different hero at different places, the world called Alansia, all things happen in Alansia but things are not related with each other, each story have their own conclusion and ending.

One book about a person who got lost in an one of the islands in Alansia, solving all the problem in that island. Other book about a person who have a mission to stop a warlock gaining power in some part of Alansia. The other book about a sailor who get drowned and become mermaid/men then taking revenge. Other books about a person on some quests on some things and some problems in the world of Alansia

DA series only can be successful if each series are like this game books, where each stories have it's conclusion and ending, the new story have no relation with previous story, the new characters have no relation with previous characters, but it is all in the same world. TES is actually following this. The last Dragonborn siding with Stormcloak or Imperial is insignificant because TES 6 will be at other place and in different time-line, similar like The Hero of Kavatch is not important at all in Skyrim

Or else, each DA series MUST give answers to previous series questions, for example the origin of Darkspawns, we have been playing a hero who die hard to defeat an Archdemon but that hero know nothing about Darkspawn at all, and even don't know about Grey Warden....how come that be?

That is not satisfying, that is what i as a Grey Warden player in DA:O being expecting answers in DA2, but DA2 is totally a different thing

[Jerrybnsn]

I think the point of the third DA game not being a true sequel to Origins is what is going to disappoint a lot of fans. Characters are a great way to have continuity to a series, to keep a consistent experiencing of the world through "your" eyes without having to act like you don't know the other previous characters,... and any DA game that doesn't allow you to import your previous character, or allow you to choose and make your own from different races, will be an unworthy successor to the original that set the standard and the origianl storyline.  It was called "Origins" for a reason, right?

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 21 juin 2013 - 05:52 .

[LinksOcarina]

Qistina wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
I think that part of the reason some fans disliked DAII (along with reusing areas, changes to combat and yadda yadda) was that we didn't do a good enough job of explaining the change in story. Some people played DAII expecting it to be Dragon Age Origins Part 2 and the continuation of their Warden character, which is wasn't intended to be.

So...what is the point of playing Dragon Age Inquisition if it is nothing to do with anything?

The problem here is not about The Warden story have ended, or DA is about the world ect ect ect...the problem is you guys leave DA:O with a lot of unanswered questions

If you guys want DA is like what you guys saying, then give a conclusion on everything in each series...not leaving them in oblivion

Look at Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim...they all stand alone stories with conclusion in each series, because the story is linear in each series...the last one, the Dragonborn kill Alduin, end of story, the rest of things are unimportant, similar with the Hero of Kavatch, in TES 6 there will be books debating the last Dragonborn siding with Stormcloak or Imperial, the new hero reading them, but the one who play TES 5 know what really is

(Edit : On Oblivion book in Skyrim talking about The Hero of Kavatch with some accurate and unaccurate infos, the one who play Oblivion will know which is accurate or not depending on how they play, but The Hero of Kavatch remain anonymous, not even mention the gender and no detail, just the title, it is because it happen 200 years ago...the book have many lines like these "some say that the prisoner...", "It is believed that the Hero...","There is a rumors about the Hero...")

DA:O have many endings, many origins, many choices...the players want to know the conclusion and answers

Actually...the lore of Elder Scrolls counts all the endings as canon, have done so since daggerfall.

So the Hero of Kavatch is actually the new Sheogorath, the Warp in the West still happened, the Dark Brotherhood had a lot of problems, etc. 

So to be honest, your point here is a moot one.

Also out of curiosity, what questions were open ended with Origins? The story was about the Blight. That is basically canon. So far were only 10 years into the timeline from that point. Keep in Mind the first 4 Elder Scroll games were less than 30 years apart as well...

[Jerrybnsn]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Qistina wrote...


So...what is the point of playing Dragon Age Inquisition if it is nothing to do with anything?

The problem here is not about The Warden story have ended, or DA is about the world ect ect ect...the problem is you guys leave DA:O with a lot of unanswered questions

If you guys want DA is like what you guys saying, then give a conclusion on everything in each series...not leaving them in oblivion

Look at Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim...they all stand alone stories with conclusion in each series, because the story is linear in each series...

Actually...the lore of Elder Scrolls counts all the endings as canon, have done so since daggerfall.

So the Hero of Kavatch is actually the new Sheogorath

Sheogorath was part of an expansion that you didn't have to play.  So it still could have been the previous Sheogorath in the TES lore.

[LinksOcarina]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Qistina wrote...


So...what is the point of playing Dragon Age Inquisition if it is nothing to do with anything?

The problem here is not about The Warden story have ended, or DA is about the world ect ect ect...the problem is you guys leave DA:O with a lot of unanswered questions

If you guys want DA is like what you guys saying, then give a conclusion on everything in each series...not leaving them in oblivion

Look at Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim...they all stand alone stories with conclusion in each series, because the story is linear in each series...

Actually...the lore of Elder Scrolls counts all the endings as canon, have done so since daggerfall.

So the Hero of Kavatch is actually the new Sheogorath

Sheogorath was part of an expansion that you didn't have to play.  So it still could have been the previous Sheogorath in the TES lore.

Except that the implications point to it NOT being that...since the event happened and is considered canon.

This is mostly a problem with the lorekeeping for the Elder Scrolls series though, my point is basically they say everything happened and we sort it out later.

Then they add stuff that annoys me, like Red Mountain exploding and a metor destroying Morrowind...after you saved it from erupting anyway. That was unecessary....

[Ieldra]

@Qistina:
As I said....digital thinking. Either a linear connection or no connection at all. I find such thinking extremely limiting.

I do expect the origin of the darkspawn explained at some point in the bigger story, but I see no reason why it should've been explained in DAO. Why can't a new chapter go off on a tangent of an earlier one and still provide explanations meaningful to the first one? Why can't some other things, which were touched upon but never main topics in a story, remain mysteries?

[Iakus]

Chris Priestly wrote...


I think that part of the reason some fans disliked DAII (along with reusing areas, changes to combat and yadda yadda) was that we didn't do a good enough job of explaining the change in story. Some people played DAII expecting it to be Dragon Age Origins Part 2 and the continuation of their Warden character, which is wasn't intended to be. We want to be very clear that Dragon Age Inquisition is a new chapter in the world of Dragon Age, so we dropped the 3 as we felt it tied the game too closely to the first two games.

Wasn't Dragon Age 2 originally going to be called Dragon Age: Exodus, or something like that?

[Jerrybnsn]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...


Actually...the lore of Elder Scrolls counts all the endings as canon, have done so since daggerfall.

So the Hero of Kavatch is actually the new Sheogorath

Sheogorath was part of an expansion that you didn't have to play.  So it still could have been the previous Sheogorath in the TES lore.

Except that the implications point to it NOT being that...since the event happened and is considered canon.

This is mostly a problem with the lorekeeping for the Elder Scrolls series though, my point is basically they say everything happened and we sort it out later.

But the canon ending is that their is still a Sheogorath Deadric Prince of Madness whether it's your original hero of Oblivion taking over or leaving the previous Sheogorath to continue on in his cycle of Madness.  So the story lore is written in a way that doesn't effect further games in that series that doesn't import. 

Dragon Age does do imports and have alternate endings. 

[Boycott Bioware]

Actually...the lore of Elder Scrolls counts all the endings as canon, have done so since daggerfall.

So the Hero of Kavatch is actually the new Sheogorath, the Warp in the West still happened, the Dark Brotherhood had a lot of problems, etc.

So to be honest, your point here is a moot one.

Also out of curiosity, what questions were open ended with Origins? The story was about the Blight. That is basically canon. So far were only 10 years into the timeline from that point. Keep in Mind the first 4 Elder Scroll games were less than 30 years apart as well...

It doesn't matter because each TES series are taken place in different places and different time-line, the previous characters are not coming back, The Hero of Kavatch become new Sheogorath is not important on Skyrim, the gender, race and name of that person is not mentioned at all, he/she being called "The Hero of Kavatch", "The Prisoner", "The Hero of Bruma" and the story about him/her is actually in a "debate", "hearsay" and "gossips" manner, and only appear in books

So in next TES if ever Bethesda creating it, the last Dragonborn will follow the same, there will be books claiming the last Dragonborn siding with Nord rebels, other book contest that book, other book claiming the Last Dragonborn not interested in Skyrim politic.

In DA:O, the story about the Blight is the story about what? The story about Darkspawn, Archdemon, Grey Wardens, The Maker, ancient Tevinter Mages, Black City and so on...The Warden end the Blight is not the end of the story, the Warden just end the Blight but what/where/when/who are not answered, ending the Blight is not the conclusion of the story and DA2 is totally a different thing

(Edit : In Oblivion, in that game alone we know the nature of Oblivion gates, who open it, who is Marka Camoran, who is Mythic Dawn, who's who, what is what and when is when, that game have a conclusion, the conclusion is "the Dragonborn emperors who have been the protector all these time from the Deadra threat, and only Dragonborn can save the world when **** happen", the main character is not a hero at all, but Martim Septim lol)

Modifié par Qistina, 21 juin 2013 - 06:12 .

[Jerrybnsn]

iakus wrote...

Wasn't Dragon Age 2 originally going to be called Dragon Age: Exodus, or something like that?

Considering the whole plot was to raise enough money to move out of your Uncle's basement, I thought it was going to be called Dragon Age: Tweener

[Jerrybnsn]

Qistina wrote...

...........the Deadra threat, and only Dragonborn can save the world when **** happen", the main character is not a hero at all, but Martim Septim lol)

Yes, so Canon in TES only mentions Martim Septim who appears in Dragon form to destroy the Oblivion threat.  And your hero doesn't even get to become the next emperor.  What a jip!   I think that's why the expansion of Sheogorath was created.  Since you couldn't become the next emperor or a king, then you could become a god.

[Boycott Bioware]

Ieldra2
@Qistina:
As I said....digital thinking. Either a linear connection or no connection at all. I find such thinking extremely limiting.

I do expect the origin of the darkspawn explained at some point in the bigger story, but I see no reason why it should've been explained in DAO. Why can't a new chapter go off on a tangent of an earlier one and still provide explanations meaningful to the first one? Why can't some other things, which were touched upon but never main topics in a story, remain mysteries?

They just can't end the whole thing and leave everything in questions, they should know that DA:O players will expect some answers in the next series, they cannot just say "The warden story is ended" and then throw away everything

It is like Lord of the Ring episode 1 telling a story about a ring of destruction, Sauron, Mr Frodo and Gandalf...but episode 2 is about Conan the Barbarian running away from the Orcs and end up in Norseland meeting with Bulvay the King of Norsemen then fighting the Eaters of the Dead...

Modifié par Qistina, 21 juin 2013 - 06:30 .

[QueenSiD]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Qistina wrote...

...........the Deadra threat, and only Dragonborn can save the world when **** happen", the main character is not a hero at all, but Martim Septim lol)

Yes, so Canon in TES only mentions Martim Septim who appears in Dragon form to destroy the Oblivion threat.  And your hero doesn't even get to become the next emperor.  What a jip!   I think that's why the expansion of Sheogorath was created.  Since you couldn't become the next emperor or a king, then you could become a god.

I know the formula for the TES games but I can't help but wonder why the Dragonborn wouldn't become Emperor? He/she has dragon blood AND is pretty much the most powerful being in the world  Wouldn't having a Dragonborn emperor help nip all the Thalmor business in the bud? I mean, my Dovahkiin never had much trouble pwning the Thalmor hehehe

Anyway....

I suppose I could be okay with the Warden/Hawke disappearing after DA2, and not mentioned again in DA3. However, it will irk me that all my friends (who make cameos in the next game) will have forgotten me so quickly *sniff*

Modifié par QueenSiD, 21 juin 2013 - 06:33 .

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Qistina wrote...

Ieldra2
@Qistina:
As I said....digital thinking. Either a linear connection or no connection at all. I find such thinking extremely limiting.

I do expect the origin of the darkspawn explained at some point in the bigger story, but I see no reason why it should've been explained in DAO. Why can't a new chapter go off on a tangent of an earlier one and still provide explanations meaningful to the first one? Why can't some other things, which were touched upon but never main topics in a story, remain mysteries?

They just can't end the whole thing and leave everything in questions, they should know that DA:O players will expect some answers in the next series, they cannot just say "The warden story is ended" and then throw away everything

It is like Lord of the Ring episode 1 telling a story about a ring of destruction, Sauron, Mr Frodo and Gandalf...but episode 2 is about Conan the Barbarian running away from the Orcs and end up in Norseland meeting with Bulvay the King of Norsemen then fighting the Eaters of the Dead...

What questions? The story involved putting an end to the Blight, which the Warden did. There's not really any ground that needs to be covered concerning the Warden at this point.

[Jerrybnsn]

QueenSiD wrote...

I suppose I could be okay with the Warden/Hawke disappearing after DA2, and not mentioned again in DA3. However, it will irk me that all my friends (who make cameos in the next game) will have forgotten me so quickly *sniff*

Sort of like all your friends going to the big dance without you?

[Meatbaggins]

Qistina wrote...
They just can't end the whole thing and leave everything in questions, they should know that DA:O players will expect some answers in the next series, they cannot just say "The warden story is ended" and then throw away everything

They're not throwing away everything. Just because each game is a new story doesn't mean they'll ignore plot threads left open in previous games.

Modifié par Meatbaggins, 21 juin 2013 - 06:41 .

[Plaintiff]

Qistina wrote...

Ieldra2
@Qistina:
As I said....digital thinking. Either a linear connection or no connection at all. I find such thinking extremely limiting.

I do expect the origin of the darkspawn explained at some point in the bigger story, but I see no reason why it should've been explained in DAO. Why can't a new chapter go off on a tangent of an earlier one and still provide explanations meaningful to the first one? Why can't some other things, which were touched upon but never main topics in a story, remain mysteries?

They just can't end the whole thing and leave everything in questions, they should know that DA:O players will expect some answers in the next series, they cannot just say "The warden story is ended" and then throw away everything

It is like Lord of the Ring episode 1 telling a story about a ring of destruction, Sauron, Mr Frodo and Gandalf...but episode 2 is about Conan the Barbarian running away from the Orcs and end up in Norseland meeting with Bulvay the King of Norsemen then fighting the Eaters of the Dead...

It's not like that at all. Conan the Barbarian lives in Hyboria, which is a totally separate fictional universe that has nothing to do with Middle Earth.

The Warden and Hawke and all future protagonsits in Thedas occupy the same fictional universe, and all of them are more than capable of showing us the answers to any "unsolved mysteries" from DA:O, if the writers decide they even want to do that.

[Deemz]

If your character can die and complete the game, there is a very good chance he will not be in future game. There will always be a few people who pick the death route. So it is end of the road for that character to be in future stories.

[Jackums]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

But I want it to follow a "literal, linear sense" and get back on track of the Grey Warden story from Origins.

No, thank you.