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[Jerrybnsn]

Deemz wrote...

If your character can die and complete the game, there is a very good chance he will not be in future game. There will always be a few people who pick the death route. So it is end of the road for that character to be in future stories.

...or not.  I choose to live!  The Griffons will fly again!  And I will be leading their charge.

[Boycott Bioware]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...
What questions? The story involved putting an end to the Blight, which the Warden did. There's not really any ground that needs to be covered concerning the Warden at this point.

i. investigating the nature and origin of Darkspawn and Archdemon,
ii. searching the source of that thing
iii. seeking the truth behind everything
iv. investigate who Grey Wardens really are

The Warden may NOT be the one who do these above, it can be new protagonist who interested or somehow involve in or stumble upon it in DA2 or all these things already covered by The Warden in DA:O then DA2 can be made a different story

DA:O is just a bout a person who become a Grey Warden, unite the land against an army of Darkspawn, he/she don't really know what he/she is doing, don't even know how to kill Archdemon until he/she stumble upon a senior Grey Warden. The main quest are not related to Darkspawn and the things except Orzamar that only have little thing about it.

Along the way that person hear the Chantry version of Darkspawn origin, seeing Broodmother and so on but he/she don't know anything, he/she don't know the enemy, he/she don't know the truth and the lies about the thing, he/she don't know anything about the organization he/she just join in, he/she don't know the stuff he/she drinking except it is Darkspawn blood...he/she do all thing blindly and he/she only have a Grey Warden partner who know nothing too..."the truth is we don't even know, they come out from underground, and that is as far as we got" says his/her partner

Modifié par Qistina, 21 juin 2013 - 06:57 .

[Jerrybnsn]

To allow for those that chose Alistair as a LI that they should be able to find out if they did or did not have children. And if you are the second most important person running Fereldan, what are you suppose to be doing when Orlais attacks Fereldan?

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Qistina wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...
What questions? The story involved putting an end to the Blight, which the Warden did. There's not really any ground that needs to be covered concerning the Warden at this point.

i. investigating the nature and origin of Darkspawn and Archdemon,
ii. searching the source of that thing
iii. seeking the truth behind everything
iv. investigate who Grey Wardens really are

The Warden may NOT be the one who do these above, it can be new protagonist who interested or somehow involve in or stumble upon it in DA2 or all these things already covered by The Warden in DA:O then DA2 can be made a different story

DA:O is just a bout a person who become a Grey Warden, unite the land against an army of Darkspawn, he/she don't really know what he/she is doing, don't even know how to kill Archdemon until he/she stumble upon a senior Grey Warden. The main quest are not related to Darkspawn and the things except Orzamar that only have little thing about it.

Along the way that person hear the Chantry version of Darkspawn origin, seeing Broodmother and so on but he/she don't know anything, he/she don't know the enemy, he/she don't know the truth and the lies about the thing, he/she don't know anything about the organization he/she just join in, he/she don't know the stuff he/she drinking except it is Darkspawn blood...he/she do all thing blindly and he/she only have a Grey Warden partner who know nothing too..."the truth is we don't even know, they come out from underground, and that is as far as we got" says his/her partner

Well, those are wildly specific mysteries

At any rate, I may be in the minority, but I don't find those particularly driving questions that NEED to be answered. If they figure into the end game of Inquisition then I am sure we'll get some answers; otherwise these interesting items for idle pondering are not necessary for future narrative, imo.

[Taleroth]

Plaintiff wrote...

And the fact remains; their intent is what it is, and regardless of any perceived flaws, their design goals have not changed.

No, not regardless. This needs to be absolutely regarded. Their intent and their actions do not align.

To maintain the intent, the actions must change. Pushing forward with actions that continue to counter the intent only shows the action to be the true intent, not merely a means to it.

This was not a failure of foresight. That somehow implies the retcons they made were unavoidable. They could have simply worked with what they had. This was a lack of respect for the very consistency they were supposedly trying to honor.

Modifié par Taleroth, 21 juin 2013 - 07:18 .

[QueenSiD]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

To allow for those that chose Alistair as a LI that they should be able to find out if they did or did not have children. And if you are the second most important person running Fereldan, what are you suppose to be doing when Orlais attacks Fereldan?

And what about King Wardens? lol (my Warden is Alistair's mistress but some friends are King Wardens)

Makes me think they're (TPTB) not going forward with the Ferelden/Orlais tensions :|

Modifié par QueenSiD, 21 juin 2013 - 07:23 .

[kinderschlager]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Too bad?

They made it perfectly clear from the onset that the series was never going to be about one person or group.

One of the biggest criticisms of DA2 was that it was a "disjointed" plotline.  The bad part is that the whole series is going to be disjointed.

new? yes. but it better referemce/put in old characters. it's the same damn world from the past games, the choices we have made SHOULD have repercussions

[thebigbad1013]

Plaintiff wrote...

Too bad?

They made it perfectly clear from the onset that the series was never going to be about one person or group.

This.

Honestly, why do some people just refuse to accept that? I get that some people were disappointed when DA2 came out since they apparently hadn't understood that it wasn't going to be Dragon Age Origins 2--I get that disappointment.

But now? Why keep clinging on to a hope that will never ever come true? You're just banging your head against the wall for no good reason. Either accept the Dragon Age series for what it is and was always supposed to be, or decide that the series is not for you and don't play the games.

[Silfren]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/20/why-dragon-age-inquisition-isnt-called-dragon-age-3

For simplicity, I just call it DA3.  "Inquisition" is just too long to type.  However, one part of the article that I read gave me doubts about the upcoming game.

"Inquisition is an all-new chapter inside of the Dragon Age universe, as opposed to people expecting a follow-on to Dragon Age 1 and 2 in a literal, linear sense.”

But I want it to follow a "literal, linear sense" and get back on track of the Grey Warden story from Origins.

But Dragon Age is NOT about the Grey Wardens.  It's about the entire world.  Bioware has said all along that each title would be its own story about something going on in the world of Thedas.  It's kind of pointless to complain about them not continuing the story of Origins when they've made it clear from the first that that's not what they're doing.

Besides that, the story of Origins is done and over.  Why do you want each new game to just be a re-iteration of it?

[Tarek]

bah I hope its a fresh start i don't want any save game importing I want a new fresh game with new characters, old characters should just be for the story

[Silfren]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

"........the Warden's story is finished."


Having a fixed hero through a series that is being played out of a small time period isn't a bad formula. Especially if that character can be neutral as the Grey Wardens.  And allowing you to create that hero instead of a "fixed protagonist" like Hawke or Shepard is even better.

Maybe so, but that's NOT the story that Bioware wants to tell with Dragon Age. 

[kinderschlager]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Part of the reason for officially renaming the game to Dragon Age Inquisition is because "3"
 makes people think that HAVE to play DA 1 & DA2 before they can play DA3. This is not true as both fans who have played Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age II AND new fans who have not played a Dragon Age game period can play and enjoy Dragon Age Inquisition.

The Mass Effect trilogy was always designed to be the story of Commander Shepard. Dragon Age has always been the story of the world of Dragon Age rather than one character within that world. In Origins you played the warden, in II you played Hawke, now in Inquisition you have to deal with the Inquisition. DAI (which I use instead of typing out Inquisition) is a new chapter in the world, so we changed the name to reflect this.

I think that part of the reason some fans disliked DAII (along with reusing areas, changes to combat and yadda yadda) was that we didn't do a good enough job of explaining the change in story. Some people played DAII expecting it to be Dragon Age Origins Part 2 and the continuation of their Warden character, which is wasn't intended to be. We want to be very clear that Dragon Age Inquisition is a new chapter in the world of Dragon Age, so we dropped the 3 as we felt it tied the game too closely to the first two games.

Not that Dragon Age Inquisition will be 100% completely new. As you saw in the trailer, Morrigan, Varric & Cassandra play a role in the game. It is possible that other characters, places, things, stories, etc do as well. You'll learn more about that as we reveal more about DAI as we move towards launch next year.

even though it IS a new chapter, having played the first 2 games will make it even better as it will allow the game to become more personalized based on previous choices, yes?

a stand alone game would NOT sound enjoyable after everything so many of us have put into DA:O and DA2

[kinderschlager]

Featherwick wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
I think that part of the reason some fans disliked DAII (along with reusing areas, changes to combat and yadda yadda) was that we didn't do a good enough job of explaining the change in story. Some people played DAII expecting it to be Dragon Age Origins Part 2 and the continuation of their Warden character, which is wasn't intended to be.

So...what is the point of playing Dragon Age Inquisition if it is nothing to do with anything?

The problem here is not about The Warden story have ended, or DA is about the world ect ect ect...the problem is you guys leave DA:O with a lot of unanswered questions

What was left unanswered in DA:O?  The game felt pretty conclusive to me.

Morrigan was the biggest un-answered question. the fate of the circle due to DA2, to name a few

[Silfren]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Filament wrote...

Because you couldn't just type DAI, nooooo. Are you one of the idiots that insisted "Rise to Power" or other words instead of its actual name, DA2, too?

Becaue DAI is Origins.  That's what I think evertime I see it.  Like most I just write DA3.

Funnily enough, while I do use DA3, I just as often use DAI or DA:I for Inquisition.  Or I just write Inquisition, since it does not actually take long to type....assuming you actually DO know how to type, of course.

I don't see many people who write "DAI" for Origins, either.  It's almost always written as DAO, or DA:O.  Or they just call it Origins.  In these forums, anyway.

Why exactly do you think there is any point in people continuing to whine about wanting to re-play the Warden again?  Bioware said all along that each new game would have a new protagonist; it's a stupidly futile thing to still be hoping for.  Do you think you're going to influence Bioware to change its formula?  Do you think that just because YOU like a different formula, that Bioware should use it instead?

Modifié par Silfren, 21 juin 2013 - 08:40 .

[Silfren]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I think the point of the third DA game not being a true sequel to Origins is what is going to disappoint a lot of fans. Characters are a great way to have continuity to a series, to keep a consistent experiencing of the world through "your" eyes without having to act like you don't know the other previous characters,... and any DA game that doesn't allow you to import your previous character, or allow you to choose and make your own from different races, will be an unworthy successor to the original that set the standard and the origianl storyline.  It was called "Origins" for a reason, right?

Then those fans are deaf, blind, and stupid.  Why would they be disappointed? You are wrong if you think that it wasn't till after DA2 was announced that it was said that each title would be a different story with a different protagonist.  I heard this news when I started playing Origins, a while before DA2 was announced. 

But anyway, it HAS been clear, for years now, that each chapter will tell a different story with a different protagonist.  You can complain that this wasn't the original intent if you like; the fact remains that it HAS been the intent for a long time now, and it's common news.  If they end up disappointed, it will be because they went out of their way not to be informed about the direction of the series, and that is NOT Bioware's problem. 

You're not wrong in your assertions here about what makes for a great game, and a good formula.  But it is not the formula that Bioware is using, and they have been clear on this all along.  So why do you insist on harping about it?  When you read books, do you complain that a given writer doesn't write their stories to suit the formula you prefer?  If so, then one has to wonder why you read that author, or why you feel you have the right to complain that they should change their formula.  The choice you have is obvious:  Play the games that follow the formula you prefer, and stop demanding that all games should be written to suit you.

Modifié par Silfren, 21 juin 2013 - 08:40 .

[Silfren]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

To allow for those that chose Alistair as a LI that they should be able to find out if they did or did not have children. And if you are the second most important person running Fereldan, what are you suppose to be doing when Orlais attacks Fereldan?

Players are not entitled to know anything about any characters once their primary story is done. 

On the question of whether or not children resulted from a union with Alistair, it was said somewhere, by Gaider I believe, that there will be zero children for the Ferelden monarch, whether Alistair or Anora, in order to facilitate a possible story about the succession of the throne.

[Dabrikishaw]

Deemz wrote...

If your character can die and complete the game, there is a very good chance he will not be in future game. There will always be a few people who pick the death route. So it is end of the road for that character to be in future stories.

[Silfren]

Filament wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Funnily enough, while I do use DA3, I just as often use DAI or DA:I for Inquisition.  Or I just write Inquisition, since it does not actually take long to type....assuming you actually DO know how to type, of course.

To be clear I don't actually have a problem with calling it DA3, and I have and probably will continue to use DA3 and DAI interchangeably. What was annoying was that he specifically acknowledged the proper name of the game, DAI, and then basically said, "I don't want to call it that." That's ****ing stupid.

I agree.  I use DA3 and DAI interchangeably, too.  I've never had an issue figuring out that DAI refers to Dragon Age: Inquistion, rather than Origins, because I've never, to the best of my knowledge, seen DAI meant to refer to DA:O. 

I also think it's silly and pathetic to whine that Inquisition takes too long to type, but that's just me. 

[Melca36]

Tarek wrote...

bah I hope its a fresh start i don't want any save game importing I want a new fresh game with new characters, old characters should just be for the story

they already said there would be a form of importing added to the game. Sorry but some of us want replayability value.

[MisanthropePrime]

If I may ask the devs this question: Do you regret DAII being named such? Personally, I always told myself that it felt more like a "Gaiden Game" or a side-story compared to the events of Origins and Awakening, and a lot of its flaws were much easier to accept when analyzed that way. And then I learned that the original, working title for DAII was "Dragon Age: Exodus". Now, with DA3 being renamed "Dragon Age: Inquisition", do you feel having a non-numerical name for DAII might have been a better choice? As it stands, the games are Origins, Awakening, II, and Inquisition. One of these things is not like the other.

[Jerrybnsn]

Silfren wrote...

But Dragon Age is NOT about the Grey Wardens.  It's about the entire world.  

I never said the series should be about the Grey Wardens, but now that you mention it, the Grey Wardens are the perfect vehicle to experience the Dragon Age.  The are morality neutral and keep foremost that mission comes first.  They take the good, they take the bad, they take them both and there you have...Grey Wardens.  They are station in every parts of the known Thedas and even go to the mysterious Dwarven cities and Deep Roads.  They accept all races as equals and all classes have a purpose with them.  I liked being in the Grey Wardens and want to be in that company of adventures again when I play Dragon Age.  Heck, until my Warden's time is done, I want to keep playing myself.

[LPPrince]

Silfren wrote...

I agree.  I use DA3 and DAI interchangeably, too.  I've never had an issue figuring out that DAI refers to Dragon Age: Inquistion, rather than Origins, because I've never, to the best of my knowledge, seen DAI meant to refer to DA:O. 

What gets me is when people refer to DA2 as DA][ or whatever. Thats...

I guess people are gonna do what they're gonna do. I've already seen DA]|[ here once.

[MrCousland99]

I think it is a strange jump, you go from origins, to 2, and then back to the subtitle. Giving DA2 a subtitle would have been a better choice. Like Exodus or some Sheeeeiiiit like that.

[Korusus]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

If I may ask the devs this question: Do you regret DAII being named such? Personally, I always told myself that it felt more like a "Gaiden Game" or a side-story compared to the events of Origins and Awakening, and a lot of its flaws were much easier to accept when analyzed that way. And then I learned that the original, working title for DAII was "Dragon Age: Exodus". Now, with DA3 being renamed "Dragon Age: Inquisition", do you feel having a non-numerical name for DAII might have been a better choice? As it stands, the games are Origins, Awakening, II, and Inquisition. One of these things is not like the other.

My hope is that they retroactively rename Dragon Age 2 in the canon of game titles (and all future anniversary releases use that new name).  When they announced Dragon Age was becoming Dragon Age: Origins...and now that DA3 is really Dragon Age: Inquisition....I feel it should have been done like that from the very beginning.

Of course leaving DA2 as DA2 marks it out as the redheaded stepchild...the odd one out...the failed experiment.