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[Seboist]

David7204 wrote...

I'm fairly certain BioWare treated the Jacob romance the way they did to demonstrate that the squadmates are not hopelessly dependent on Shepard.

Nah, just a cut corner due to being an unpopular choice like picking Morinth or selling Legion.

[AresKeith]

 Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

- Patrick Weekes. 

[KaiserShep]

N7PT wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

The best of Meer in ME1 is hanging up on the council.

Councilor: "Did you need to contact us just so you could hang up again?"

Shepard: "You know it."

Or the classic "Whoops!", the single best line of ME1.

Joker's follow-up is classic. "That never gets old, does it?"

[Mcfly616]

Shaleist wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I haven't seen anybody complain about the romance content in this game.

I believe there were many that said the ME2 romances got shafted in ME3.


I didn't think so....

Big difference between ME2 romancable characters today vs. Vanilla/Launch ME3 too. 

I was happy with the vanilla game romances for Jack and Tali. Clearly they don't get the amount content that some other characters get. But imo the content they do have is great. Dialogue is gold. Surprising too, because I didn't much care for their ME2 romances. Overall, they're two of my favorites now.

[Mcfly616]

StreetMagic wrote...

I only know of Thane's appearance from the perspective of a male. I thought his final prayer was awesome.

I was fine with his death, as well. The guy was dying when we met him. Atleast he didn't just wither away because of Keprel's syndrome. Atleast he went out fighting. He spent his life killing. He spent his last days trying to redeem himself. And then he died saving someone.

[Sir DeLoria]

TheWerdna wrote...

Also just because being 22 means a human is of legal age it might not be for a quarian. Its not like every single alien speicies would reach  adulthood at the same rate; so for all we know quarians could take a bit longer to reach adulthood than humans do.

Once again fair point, although humans and quarians have roughly the same life expectancy so it would be unusual if quarians reached adulthood this late. The reason why quarians start their pilgrimage with 20-23, is probably because it'd be way too dangerous to send out someone younger. Despite the cultural background of the pilgrimage, the real purpose behind it, is to help the fleet gather vital ressources.

[Han Shot First]

Are you including the Citadel DLC, however?

While fans of Ashley or Kaidan or Tali or Garrus may not have had much to complain about with the vanilla game, fans of Jack or Thane did. And Jacob fans (there were a few) totally got screwed over.

[Mcfly616]

Han Shot First wrote...

Are you including the Citadel DLC, however?

While fans of Ashley or Kaidan or Tali or Garrus may not have had much to complain about with the vanilla game, fans of Jack or Thane did. And Jacob fans (there were a few) totally got screwed over.

I guess I never specified. But I did like Jack's romance before the Citadel DLC ever came out. I haven't seen her romance content for that particular DLC, yet she's still my second favorite romance.

[NeroonWilliams]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Are you including the Citadel DLC, however?

While fans of Ashley or Kaidan or Tali or Garrus may not have had much to complain about with the vanilla game, fans of Jack or Thane did. And Jacob fans (there were a few) totally got screwed over.

I guess I never specified. But I did like Jack's romance before the Citadel DLC ever came out. I haven't seen her romance content for that particular DLC, yet she's still my second favorite romance.

Jack's Citadel content is outstanding.  I'm a true believer in the Shepard dies part of the ending, but my current Shepard is romancing Jack and will be throwing the party AFTER the Reaper War is over.  A romanced Jack's content fits that perfectly.

[Mcfly616]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Are you including the Citadel DLC, however?

While fans of Ashley or Kaidan or Tali or Garrus may not have had much to complain about with the vanilla game, fans of Jack or Thane did. And Jacob fans (there were a few) totally got screwed over.

I guess I never specified. But I did like Jack's romance before the Citadel DLC ever came out. I haven't seen her romance content for that particular DLC, yet she's still my second favorite romance.

Jack's Citadel content is outstanding.  I'm a true believer in the Shepard dies part of the ending, but my current Shepard is romancing Jack and will be throwing the party AFTER the Reaper War is over.  A romanced Jack's content fits that perfectly.

well, considering I liked her romance in the vanilla game, I'm sure I'll like her Citadel romance. I think I'll be checking that out on my next playthrough.

[themikefest]

Mcfly616 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I haven't seen anybody complain about the romance content in this game.

I believe there were many that said the ME2 romances got shafted in ME3.


I didn't think so....

If the T'Soni romance had the same amount of content as Jack or Miranda(without the Citadel dlc)would you still say the samethig?

Modifié par themikefest, 22 juin 2013 - 12:24 .

[CptData]

o Ventus wrote...

I haven't seen anybody complain about the romance content in this game.

Depends on you: what was your expectation, what was delivered?

Ashley's romance was done well in ME1, same for Kaidan and Liara's story arc.

In ME2, that romance got reduced to an argument and a message (also for Kaidan). Liara got her own DLC expanding her romance a bit, which is a great deal for her fans.

And in ME3, Ashley's character got reduced to "nice-looking-boob-jobbed-barbie" with little redeeming content. Without knowing how she was in ME1, I couldn't romance her in ME3. And I totally understand why Ash doesn't got new fans with ME3. Kaidan had a tad more content, thanks to his newfound bi-sexuality, but even his romance arc was lacking.
Well, ME2!romances had their own "bad deal".

However, I'm unfair, since fan expectations are difficult to meet. I'm sure every fan feels the same like I do: his/her favorite character didn't get treated the way s/he should have been. That includes every single character.

Also: ME1 and ME2 tried to treat the romances in an equal way, so I'm totally fine with the lack of Ashley in ME2. The story was about Shepard, Cerberus and the Collectors, there was no place for Ashley or Kaidan. And the new romances didn't feel worse than the old ones.
However, ME3 totally killed the idea of "equal" romances, most visible by the treatment of Jacob and Thane.

Modifié par CptData, 22 juin 2013 - 12:25 .

[N7PT]

KaiserShep wrote...

N7PT wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

The best of Meer in ME1 is hanging up on the council.

Councilor: "Did you need to contact us just so you could hang up again?"

Shepard: "You know it."

Or the classic "Whoops!", the single best line of ME1.

Joker's follow-up is classic. "That never gets old, does it?"

Yeah, the "you know it" line also has a nice response from Joker, something like "awww, we lost the transmission"

[DextroDNA]

o Ventus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

You get diffrent dialog and a new vid message if you romanced Thane.

That would be the "slightly more than nothing".

You also got to slap Jacob for being a cheating twit.

Woohoo, 1 interaction that lasts all of a second plus some dialogue.

An interaction and dialogue that ultimately amount to nothing.

With Thane, you get to converse with his ghost at the end, which is a really nice scene. That makes up for the lack of romance stuff in my opinion. Y'know, considering he's dead. Would you like to engage in necrophilia with a dead Drell?

And nobody liked Jacob anyway. Anyone who "romanced" him in ME2 should've guessed it was just a fling. He ends up planning to marry Brynn Cole in ME3, so he's not exactly going to continue he's "relationship" with Shepard is he?

[Karlone123]

RussianZombeh wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

You get diffrent dialog and a new vid message if you romanced Thane.

That would be the "slightly more than nothing".

You also got to slap Jacob for being a cheating twit.

Woohoo, 1 interaction that lasts all of a second plus some dialogue.

An interaction and dialogue that ultimately amount to nothing.

With Thane, you get to converse with his ghost at the end, which is a really nice scene. That makes up for the lack of romance stuff in my opinion. Y'know, considering he's dead. Would you like to engage in necrophilia with a dead Drell?

And nobody liked Jacob anyway. Anyone who "romanced" him in ME2 should've guessed it was just a fling. He ends up planning to marry Brynn Cole in ME3, so he's not exactly going to continue he's "relationship" with Shepard is he?

It will be interesting if Jacob doesn't do another runner on things. He left the Alliance, joined Cerberus then left them, gets into a relationship with Shepard then leaves her, gets into a relationship with Dr. Bryn Cole then...to be continued.

[hot_heart]

Mcfly616 wrote...
maybe Bioware specifically chose Jacob for that type of thing because the least amount of people romanced him?

I had thoughts along those lines when I saw this tweet from Casey Hudson.

I found it an interesting move, but I could still see why Jacob fans would be upset.

[Krypplingz]

hot_heart wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
maybe Bioware specifically chose Jacob for that type of thing because the least amount of people romanced him?

I had thoughts along those lines when I saw this tweet from Casey Hudson.

I found it an interesting move, but I could still see why Jacob fans would be upset.

I liked Jacobs romance and the cheating thing upset me. Not because he cheated, that was just tough luck, but because how Shepard reacted to it:

Oh you cheated on me? Okay cool, lets move on to the next topic! 
or
I know you slept with and impregnated that doctor over there but I'm still hot for you. (And bunch of sleezy come ons)

Either Shepard doesn't give a damn or acts like a pathetic, desperate slug.  
I wanted to punch him in the face or knee him in the groin (we already have that animation!) and THEN we can move on. 
(And I know we get the slap on the Citadel DLC, but it's to little to late. I usually do that mission near the end and by that time too much time has passed and the angry reaction isn't as justified.)

I also wanted to hit his girlfriend when she tells you that: Yes I knew you were dating but I went on with it anyhow. Instead Shepard just stands there thinking: Durrr okay then.

And that sums up most of my problems with ME3, lack of options on how to react to events.

[saesenthessis]

hot_heart wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
maybe Bioware specifically chose Jacob for that type of thing because the least amount of people romanced him?

I had thoughts along those lines when I saw this tweet from Casey Hudson.

I found it an interesting move, but I could still see why Jacob fans would be upset.

It might have been an interesting move if femshep had gotten some replacement LIs in ME3 then. I never cared about Jacob or Thane, but if you kill off kaiden and play as a straight femshep who wants a living, non-cheating LI, your only option is to romance Garrus in ME2. While straight dudeshep can continue a romance with Ashley (if she's alive), Miranda, Jack, Liara, Tali, or start a new romance with Liara, Ashley or the IGN reporter.

Speaking of content, T'Soni was obviously subjected to preferential treatment. Don't really care though, Garrus and Tali got good enough content that I'm happy. And the Citadel DLC seemed to fix the rest of the romance-specific problems. Too bad Ashley got shafted in both the vanilla game and Citadel, though.

[Lenimph]

themikefest wrote...

If the T'Soni romance had the same amount of content as Jack or Miranda(without the Citadel dlc)would you still say the samethig?

 
Umm but... 
Excluding her squad stuff, she practically does have the same amount of stuff as Jack and  Miranda...  especially romance wise. 

Everyones just mad she had the best sexy time scene... >.> 

Modifié par Lenimph, 22 juin 2013 - 04:44 .

[themikefest]

Lenimph wrote...

themikefest wrote...

If the T'Soni romance had the same amount of content as Jack or Miranda(without the Citadel dlc)would you still say the samethig?

 
Umm but... 
Excluding her squad stuff, she practically does have the same amount of stuff as Jack and  Miranda...  especially romance wise. 

Everyones just mad she had the best sexy time scene... >.> 

What makes you believe I'm mad about that scene?  I've never seen it. Only heard about it

At the FOB Steve, Miranda and Jack only get QEC appearances. Samantha had her goodbye before Hackett's speech.
Than you get the what the crap evac scene. ME1 characters get a second goodbye. Sam, Steve, Miranda and Jack get nothing.

Since Jack and Miranda aren't squadmates you don't see them exiting the Normandy on the planet and they are not able to put up Shepard's nameplate.Had I romanced Jack or Miranda, I would've been  upset.

[N172]

The problem is that they added too many squadmates/LIs in ME2, 10 new squadmates (11 if you do not count Samara+Morinth as 1) and 6 (7 if you count Kelly, 9 if you also count Samara+Morinth) new LIs.

This adds up to at least 16 squadmates and 9 LIs from ME 1 and 2.
Without (for example)
- Kasumi (DLC)
- Zaeed (DLC)
- Jacob (obvious reason, could have been killed by Wilson or something like that)
- Thane (many ppl. did not like the idea of inevitable death and he is 100% based on that)
- Jack (Miranda is too important and Tali from ME1)
it whould have been 7 squadmates and 3 LIs (+Kelly) from ME2 and a total of 11 squadmates and 6 LIs from ME1 and 2, much more reasonable and in-line with other BW-Games.
=> More resources for every single LI, and if they put Miranda on the Normandy in ME3, all LIs whould have been there.

Modifié par N172, 22 juin 2013 - 11:21 .

[TheWerdna]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Shaleist wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I haven't seen anybody complain about the romance content in this game.

I believe there were many that said the ME2 romances got shafted in ME3.


I didn't think so....

Big difference between ME2 romancable characters today vs. Vanilla/Launch ME3 too. 

I was happy with the vanilla game romances for Jack and Tali. Clearly they don't get the amount content that some other characters get. But imo the content they do have is great. Dialogue is gold. Surprising too, because I didn't much care for their ME2 romances. Overall, they're two of my favorites now.

Ya, I felt that they did do a very good job with making up for the fact that Tali is only recruitable late game by giving her tons of extra romance exclusive dialogue during certain scenes and making many of her lines completely different between when she is romanced or not

I only just realised the extent of this due to playing a femshep playthrough, in which I keep getting surprised by how different most of the scenes Tali is in are from the romanced version, or how many scenes are a lot shorter.

Also, from what I've seen Tali kinda gets more romance content then Kaidan or Ashley do, with really only Liara and Garrus getting more.