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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

David7204 wrote...

Which characters?

Thane, Jack, Jacob should be combined with Zaeed and I would also have cut EDI's entire robot body thing.

Would also remove Javik since I always hated the concept of finding the last Prothean.

[Sir DeLoria]

Lizardviking wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Which characters?

Thane, Jack, Jacob should be combined with Zaeed and I would also have cut EDI's entire robot body thing.

Would also remove Javik since I always hated the concept of finding the last Prothean.

Javik is dlc, no one forces you to get him. But yeah, I would have cut EDI/EVA too.

[David7204]

I agree with you on Javik, definitely. But not EDI, and not Jack.

[Nightwriter]

Bleachrude wrote...

Now here's a dissenting opinion.

Would the ME universe be as well loved if it didn't have as many characters? I like the witcher games but I'm not passionate about it at all and that's partly because there isn't any character/companion I actually would call myself a "fan"(atic).

Sure, in retrospect (and hell even during design someone must've said something) this was madness, but be honest, we are passionate about ME because of the picture below.

(I just like any excuse to post this :D:D:D)

It's not the number of characters. It's the number of squadmates, and more importantly the implementation of those squadmates.

They just weren't implemented very well in ME2, in my opinion. They were little more than grocery items you picked up and activated. It kind of set the stage for what happened with them in ME3.

[Bleachrude]

Here's an interesting counterpoint.

Thane is an useless companion. Especially given that in the suicide mission, recruiting Thane actively hurts your chances to have a no squadmate died run through.

Yet the introduction of Thane fleshed out the Hanar and helped expand the universe (in ME1, we are told there are dozens of races that encompass the citadel). Losing Thane, why would Bioware bother creating the drell in ME2 other than as a codex entry (even here, why bother?)

How about Samara though?

In ME1, we learn that Liara is a pure-blood and this is seen as a bad thing among asari, but we don't get a proper explanation for it until Samara. Furthermore, by NOT having it be attached to Liara's character, it in a way actually strengthened her character as the AY issue is just a tangential point in her character.

It in effect makes the universe seem larger when every character does NOT have to be the example alien for all aspects of a race.

Modifié par Bleachrude, 23 juin 2013 - 10:40 .

[TheWerdna]

In terms of Mass Effect 2 character having a role in ME3 I feel that the current squadmate list should stay as is, with the following changes.

Mordin and Wrex become temporary squadmates during the period that they are on the Normandy, while Legion should have been a temporary squad mates during the Rannoch arc (for both of these they would have been useable on sidequests and the missions in that arc)

In addition I feel that Miranda and maybe Grunt should have also been squadmates. (maybe with Grunt making you choose between him continuing to lead Arlakh company for warassets, or join you)

Despite not being anywhere near the top of my favorite characters list, Miranda was the one whose not becoming a squadmate was the most baffling to me, since really there was no good reason why she couldn't have joined up. Also she would have been a good fit for the team if Kaidan is dead, as she fills the Sentinalish role of having tech and biotic powers.

Modifié par TheWerdna, 23 juin 2013 - 11:17 .

[David7204]

Grunt would probably be near the bottom of my list of squadmates I'd bring back.

Miranda is iffy.

Modifié par David7204, 23 juin 2013 - 11:36 .

[Nightwriter]

I dunno. He could have probably been worked into the genophage plot better. But that's the "if only, if only" song again.

[David7204]

Why? The genophage plot is perfectly fine as it is. Grunt's only qualifying attribute having anything to do with that is he's a krogan. I'm glad they kept him seperate from the genophage.

Modifié par David7204, 23 juin 2013 - 11:39 .

[Bleachrude]

David7204 wrote...

Why? The genophage plot is perfectly fine as it is. Grunt's only qualifying attribute having anything to do with that is he's a krogan. I'm glad they kept him seperate from the genophage.

I actually agree with this.

I hate how in so many other games, one character will be a stand-in for EVERY issue affecting the setting. I like the fact that both Liara and Grunt are only tangentially affected by those arcs.

[spirosz]

People, people. Removing Jack is like removing Shepard. It will not happen.

[CynicalShep]

spirosz wrote...

People, people. Removing Jack is like removing Shepard. It will not happen.

unless you miss that timed mission

[spirosz]

CynicalShep wrote...

spirosz wrote...

People, people. Removing Jack is like removing Shepard. It will not happen.

unless you want to make Spiros cry.

I know, I know.  You don't though, it's impossible.  She has the Liara treatment.  

[CynicalShep]

spirosz wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

spirosz wrote...

People, people. Removing Jack is like removing Shepard. It will not happen.

unless you want to make Spiros cry.

I know, I know.  You don't though, it's impossible.  She has the Liara treatment.  

You mean the Liara who can't die even if you try really hard? 

[David7204]

Are you implying with the little laughy face that that's a problem for some reason?

[spirosz]

Yes. It is a problem.

[David7204]

Why is it a problem?

[CynicalShep]

 No, David. I am implying that the two have very few things in common and have been treated differently by the devs. "Little laughy face". I need to write that down somewhere 

[DirtySHISN0]

I wouldn't have cut any character, even the ones i loathe.



Except maybe Jacob who i consistently forget about. Totally indifferent about him.

[GreyLycanTrope]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...
Except maybe Jacob who i consistently forget about. Totally indifferent about him.

[nos_astra]

Bleachrude wrote...
What exactly WAS her role in ME1? Same goes with Kaidan...why couldn't you keep Jenkins instead? How much of a difference in story would you actually see...

Both characters were there to introduce you to the world. Ashley gave you a brief historical update and was supposed to show you the mindeset most humans were supposed to share when it comes to aliens. Kaidan introduced you to biotics and the issue of transhumanism. His experiences shaped him in a way that made him more tolerant than many other humans. He was also carrying the stigma of being an L2 biotic.

I found these aspects very appealing and would have liked to seem them explored. Alas, ME1 didn't spend much time on character development and from ME2 on all of these aspects got dropped and the characters were mostly sidelined.

They were also set up to be deuteragonists. Both had a place in the universe and a life without Shepard.

And these were the romance subplots that at least touched the question of propriety.

Modifié par klarabella, 24 juin 2013 - 08:39 .

[BattleCop88]

If there is one thing that upset me about romances, it's the way they handled Jacob. I get that he was a little plain in ME2, but they had to make the Black guy cheat? I don't normally play Femshep, but I want the ladies to have good options too, and they take away from it by making the Black guy cheat?

That trope again? It's gotten decades old.

[N172]

CynicalShep wrote...

You mean the Liara who can't die even if you try really hard? 

In ME1 you could kill Wrex and either Ashley or Kaidan
In ME2 you could kill either Samara or Morinth, the only reason you could kill other squadmates is that they got favoured by beeing permanent squadmates at all.
In ME3 you cannot kill any squadmate you could not get killed in the previous games (aside from priority: earth)

The one squadmate who got all the love is in fact Garrus, permanent squadmate shortly after the first mission in each of the 3 games and only killable (bef. earth) because he is with Shep at the suicide mission.

I whould have prefered to have Liara as permanent squadmate in ME2 rather than on that broker ship, then of course you could have killed her like all ME2-squadmates.