Reapers?Catalyst?Leviathans?Organics?Synthetics?Machine Devils?No one(which means a boring story)?
Who's the villain?
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:06
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Marauder Shields was behind the whole thing. Good thing we shot him on the way up.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:07
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Isn't he the protagonist?KaiserShep wrote...
Marauder Shields was behind the whole thing. Good thing we shot him on the way up.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:07
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That's what the writers want you to think, but I know better.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:08
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Does this prove IT?KaiserShep wrote...
That's what the writers want you to think, but I know better.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:12
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The reapers. The Catalyst is the collective consciousness of all reapers, hence is also the villain.
The reapers are also responsible for creating Marauder Shields.
The reapers are also responsible for creating Marauder Shields.
Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 22 juin 2013 - 06:13 .
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:15
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But they're presented as the good guys in the end.sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The reapers. The Catalyst is the collective consciousness of all reapers, hence is also the villain.
The reapers are also responsible for creating Marauder Shields.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:19
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Personally, it felt like the illusive man.
It honestly difficult to tell simply because the message is muddled, Is about binding together (theme; alliances unity, perhaps survival)? Is it about the illusive man (theme: control)? Or is it about the reapers (theme: organic vs synthetics, catalyst, that ending).
Now you could say it was the last one, however that only took a major role in the last hour of the game. The galactic alliances and illusive mans interference took way more screen time as well as resources by the player to achieve.
It honestly difficult to tell simply because the message is muddled, Is about binding together (theme; alliances unity, perhaps survival)? Is it about the illusive man (theme: control)? Or is it about the reapers (theme: organic vs synthetics, catalyst, that ending).
Now you could say it was the last one, however that only took a major role in the last hour of the game. The galactic alliances and illusive mans interference took way more screen time as well as resources by the player to achieve.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:19
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clearly it's the player for fighting the reapers when all they want to do is save everyone.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:21
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So were the Geth, and look what good it did them.mass perfection wrote...
But they're presented as the good guys in the end.sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The reapers. The Catalyst is the collective consciousness of all reapers, hence is also the villain.
The reapers are also responsible for creating Marauder Shields.
Not sure what the Reapers were thinking, that I'd be dissuaded at the last second by them literally putting on an innocent face...
Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 22 juin 2013 - 06:24 .
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:25
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mass perfection wrote...
Reapers?Catalyst?Leviathans?Organics?Synthetics?Machine Devils?No one(which means a boring story)?
I think its telling that for all the power the reapers/catalyst and to a lesser extent the illusive man had, they were still pretty weak and uninteresting villains from a storytelling pov.
I really hope that for ME4 they scale things back and just try to have a straight up villain (human or otherwise), who isn't under mind control, isn't a giant overpowered cuttlefish and doesn't have a ridiculous galaxy wide plan, Its funny how some of the best villains in films and video games have staggeringly simple motives.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:25
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After what he said to my FemShep about how "Awesome" Akuze was...dreamgazer wrote...
Jenkins.
I agree.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:41
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 06:50
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ME1: Geth, Saren and Sovereign.
ME2: Collectors (who are agents of the reapers), Harbinger.
ME3: Cerberus, and the Reapers.
Since all 3 include reapers and their agents, I think it's safe to say Reapers.
(and their stoopid boss)
ME2: Collectors (who are agents of the reapers), Harbinger.
ME3: Cerberus, and the Reapers.
Since all 3 include reapers and their agents, I think it's safe to say Reapers.
(and their stoopid boss)
Modifié par Yestare7, 22 juin 2013 - 06:50 .
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 08:13
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The writers have been Shepard's biggest enemy in ME3. I'm such a rebel
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 08:22
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The true evil behind the reapers come from the arrogance, hubris, greed etc. of the Leviathan's race. The Intelligence is their creation. More precisely their power and control hungry mindset's result. So the whole idea behind the reapers is simple fallible, evil "human" qualities represented by race who tried to play god, and in the end destroyed themselves by it.
I like the idea, that the reapers are the creations of sinful human nature presented by an ancient race.
The Intelligence is not evil, neither the reapers are. They are machines, constructs with very high level, complex and advanced intelligence, but they don't have feelings and any sense of morality. They are pragmatic, methodical and serve their purpose in what way they find most practical, simple and efficient. So they are not evil. They are the antagonist though who represent the thing you fight against: human greed and evil coming from their creators.
TIM represents the same idea in a more personal, human and actual level. The Leviathan race and Cerberus is one of a kind. Plus in the end he gets indoctrinated by those who he is obsessed with and whom he considers being a perfect tool for the same purpose the Leviathans had in mind: power and control above all.
Saren was an indoctrinated servant of the reaper's cause, following their plans with religious zeal. He wasn't as evil and calculating as TIM was. He was a ruthless fanatic.
So the real antagonist is the dark side of "human" nature, I guess and the products, and consequences of the evil "humans" can do.
I like the idea, that the reapers are the creations of sinful human nature presented by an ancient race.
The Intelligence is not evil, neither the reapers are. They are machines, constructs with very high level, complex and advanced intelligence, but they don't have feelings and any sense of morality. They are pragmatic, methodical and serve their purpose in what way they find most practical, simple and efficient. So they are not evil. They are the antagonist though who represent the thing you fight against: human greed and evil coming from their creators.
TIM represents the same idea in a more personal, human and actual level. The Leviathan race and Cerberus is one of a kind. Plus in the end he gets indoctrinated by those who he is obsessed with and whom he considers being a perfect tool for the same purpose the Leviathans had in mind: power and control above all.
Saren was an indoctrinated servant of the reaper's cause, following their plans with religious zeal. He wasn't as evil and calculating as TIM was. He was a ruthless fanatic.
So the real antagonist is the dark side of "human" nature, I guess and the products, and consequences of the evil "humans" can do.
Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 22 juin 2013 - 08:25 .
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 08:34
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The Reapers and the Illusive Man are the main villains. The game pretty much begins and ends with them.The Catalyst and the Leviathans are part of the backstory, but neither of them take on a villainous role.
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Posté 22 juin 2013 - 08:45
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I would argue the Leviathans. They dominated the galaxy simply because they viewed the other races as lesser. They created the Intelligence to stop their thrall races from dying, not because they were dying, but because a dead race cannot give tribute to them.
Their arrogance and carelessness in designing an AI with virtually unlimited power and freedom caused all of this. The Intelligence, like any shackled AI, is simply trying to fulfill its purpose. However if the Leviathans had imposed more restrictions on it, or limited its capabilities, the annihilation would not have occurred.
Of course, for Shepard the villains are the Reapers. Though they are more antagonist than villain, as they are indoctrinated to the Catalyst's ideology (as seen in the Synthesis ending, where they aid the races of the galaxy in the rebuilding effort).
The Catalyst is also a villain/antagonist, but again, I blame its evil on the Leviathans. Though that doesn't mean it or the Reapers don't need to be stopped (in one way or another).
Their arrogance and carelessness in designing an AI with virtually unlimited power and freedom caused all of this. The Intelligence, like any shackled AI, is simply trying to fulfill its purpose. However if the Leviathans had imposed more restrictions on it, or limited its capabilities, the annihilation would not have occurred.
Of course, for Shepard the villains are the Reapers. Though they are more antagonist than villain, as they are indoctrinated to the Catalyst's ideology (as seen in the Synthesis ending, where they aid the races of the galaxy in the rebuilding effort).
The Catalyst is also a villain/antagonist, but again, I blame its evil on the Leviathans. Though that doesn't mean it or the Reapers don't need to be stopped (in one way or another).
