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[ReubenLiew]

Kerridan: Loghain, what're you doing?

Loghain: I'm making a detailed sketching of a map.

Kerridan: But... but those look like a sketching of... my eyes?

Loghain: Yes, because I constantly get lost in them.



DUN DUN DUNNnnnn...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Let's not turn this into another Loghain hate thread shall we, not when there is already one nearby? I am tired of repeating my arguments over and over again. So let's get a few laughs in this thread and move on.

[Kohaku]

@Rebuen - At least he wouldn't have to think of his wife while with me.
@Solica - I like the acid part. I yield. I rather like Loghain after reading though the first book.
@KOP - I agree but I love my Loghain. ~Snuggles with him before he runs off screaming in the woods~

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 18 janvier 2010 - 01:57 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Chas1024 wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...
As far as the beacon goes: Loghain was supposed to hold his position until the full force of darkspawn was in that canyon. He could see some of what was happening, but he was in a side canyon with no vantage point to see the entire field. If he charged too early, his flanking maneuver would have failed spectacularly as his men got sandwiched between waves of darkspawn.

In that case the Grey Wardens seem to have pushed too far forward out of their canyon. Were they then planning to make a fighting withdrawal to draw the darkspawn in? A very difficult tactical manoeuvre to pull off.

Yet it has worked on some ocassions. Hannibal anyone?

Hannibal Barca's tactic was a double envelopment maneuvre. It couldn't have been done (or was not planned) at Ostagar.  

[ReubenLiew]

Knight - I say we officially make this the We Love Loghain thread.

If only to see the train wreck effect.

Kerridan - Or perhaps... Rowan? *flees*

[Kohaku]

Rowan and I can be... friends. Good friends. She will get a knife in the back if she thinks she's getting him from me though.

[Khayness]

Loghain is awesome. Wish he had done the speech before the final battle, instead of his daughter.

[ReubenLiew]

She never deserved him! Never! >.> <.<

[KnightofPhoenix]

Khayness wrote...

Loghain is awesome. Wish he had done the speech before the final battle, instead of his daughter.

THIS.
I was half expecting him to remind the troops about River Dane, how they single handedly brought Orlais down, and how history is goign to repeat itself by single handedly defeating the Blight.

[Kohaku]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Loghain is awesome. Wish he had done the speech before the final battle, instead of his daughter.

THIS.
I was half expecting him to remind the troops about River Dane, how they single handedly brought Orlais down, and how history is goign to repeat itself by single handedly defeating the Blight.

I haven't seen Anora's but everyone said it was terrible.

He is a speaker. Loghain would have had the fire to do the speech, like when he said, "We could defeat even the bight itself!", Granted I was against him but any other day... Alistair would have been ass out.

[Wizbane]

To be honest, while it turned out to be a great character overall in the end, for half the game during my first playthrough, having read The Stolen Throne in advance, I was like "Loghain, WTF? Is he possessed by a demon?"

I definitely need to re-read The Stolen Throne.

This impression of mine had to do with "choices" done by Loghain after Ostagar (not during the battle of Ostagar itself), in no way due to how the character has been portrayed in dialogues that was absolutely great and in character.

Like the "...just make it quick" in the beginning of the interview. So much Loghain.

Wizbane

Modifié par Wizbane, 18 janvier 2010 - 02:16 .

[Tor_pedo]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Kerridan: Loghain, what're you doing?
Loghain: I'm making a detailed sketching of a map.
Kerridan: But... but those look like a sketching of... my eyes?
Loghain: Yes, because I constantly get lost in them.

DUN DUN DUNNnnnn...

You makin' me wish Loghain was romancable

[ReubenLiew]

Damn him and his elder sensibilities! *shakes fist*

[Khayness]

I'm thinking about to replay my prince-consort ending and persuade him to go through the Dark Ritual.

Then I can call him daddy in the Expansion.

[Kohaku]

Reuben is like that Tor_pedo. He does it to some of the other girls all the time. Wrapping us up on men we can't have.

[Tor_pedo]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Reuben is like that Tor_pedo. He does it to some of the other girls all the time. Wrapping us up on men we can't have.

/cries tears of tainted love

[ReubenLiew]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Reuben is like that Tor_pedo. He does it to some of the other girls all the time. Wrapping us up on men we can't have.

:innocent: I'm just helping the women, honest!

[Xandurpein]

Solica wrote...

- Oh pleassse.
It's not really, at the solid bottom of things, a question of hatred. There are much more important issues to consider.
1: Loghain CANNOT be trusted! He's proved that umpteen times before, so the storyline after (if you leave him alive) is at best indifferent, since you'd have to be a fool committing an act of inexcusable stupidity and irresponsibility by exploring that path at all. As it stands, I think it's very weak and unconvincing, the low point of the game's story paths.

The easy answer is that he CAN be trusted. If you defeat him at the Landsmeet he will compare you to Maric, the only King he ever respected. If you do let him join the Grey Wardens he will be loyal to you and will even take the last blow to the Archdemon volontarily. He won't betray you, because he wants to save Ferelden too. You may talk this away as poorly written, but the truth is that you can trust him. Whether you WANT to trust him or not, is another matter. Your opinion is always your opinion, but it's not a fact.

2: Loghain claims his acts are governed by his love for Ferelden. Bullcrap! Ferelden is first and last the king and the people who live there. Loghain betrayed his king and Ferelden's defenders to death and darkspawn, Ferelden's enemy. He waged civil war against half the people. He instigated murdering the Arls. He tortured the nobles. And he sold off the elves into slavery. "Love for Ferelden"? No, don't give me any of that. Love for personal POSSESSION of Ferelden!

Loghain is loyal to Ferelden, NOT the King. He swore to Maric never to put any man above the country. What happened at Ostagar is a lot more complex than you try to make it out. While you can read the facts you can get about it in the game, Return to Ostagar or posted in this forum by the developers and still feel what Loghain did was treason, others have read it and felt differently. This not because they are mentally retarded, but becasue they have different opinions. I do not think the evidence in the game, the novels and elsewhere supports your view that Loghain did not THINK he did it for Ferelden. He was misguided yes, but not simply a power-grabber. You may feel differnetly and that is your right, but there is no need to be rude to those who disagree with your opinions.

3: But the most compelling reason to execute Loghain are the judicial and social consequences of letting him live. A lot of brave people resisted Loghain. Many of them perished or were tortured as a consequence. But many of them remains alive. How would the act of sparing Loghain, and maybe even let him attain hero status by killing the archdemon, reflect on those people? How would Loghain's supporters look upon those? If Loghain is an hero, wasn't he right all the way then? And supporting him was right all the way too? How can a society hope to heal and unite under such circumstances? No way! Loghain must die and his crimes must be exposed and condemned. There is no leeway to contain any other message. To do so would be a great injustice to all of Loghain's victims and all those brave and intelligent enough to oppose him. It's simply unthinkable.

If you personally feel that Loghain should be executed, then by all means go ahead and do it. The only evidence in the game however is that if you do let Loghain live, then a gossip in Denerim will say that people are relived that that the Warden let Loghain live. That is not evidence enough, but certainly an indication that people of Denerim don't quite see thing the way you do, or is that just poor writing?

[Kohaku]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Reuben is like that Tor_pedo. He does it to some of the other girls all the time. Wrapping us up on men we can't have.

:innocent: I'm just helping the women, honest!

No you aren't you sneaky witch-thief!

[ReubenLiew]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

No you aren't you sneaky witch-thief!

I guess I'll stop working on Loghain now...

[Kohaku]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

No you aren't you sneaky witch-thief!

I guess I'll stop working on Loghain now...

Noooo! ~Grabs on Reuben's feet~ I'll give you a cookie.

[ReubenLiew]

Cookies!

Wait no, it's just a trick, just like that Templar!

[Chas1024]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Hannibal Barca's tactic was a double envelopment maneuvre. It couldn't have been done (or was not planned) at Ostagar.  

Double envelopment was Hannibal's tactic at Cannae but he used the 'hide troops for an ambush' tactic in other battles. Also Cannae was an example of a successful fighting withdrawal, by Hannibal's centre, which I think was Costin_Razvan's point.

[SeanMurphy2]

Did Cauthrien have a big argument with Loghain after Ostager?



Also what do you think happened to Cauthrien if she survived? Do you think she was able to transfer her hero worship of Loghain onto something else and get on with her life?

[ReubenLiew]

She probably went off to become a drunk and said she used to be captain of the guard or something like that...

Probably gets married to a man she met in the bar who claims to be an ex grey warden...