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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

erezike wrote...

Depends how many squad mates. you always need an emergency extraction team.
Some are giving you enemy distraction and support. some are watching your back and others are doing clean up.
Just give them random jobs and you will be set.

In me3 its actually simple.
James and edi squadmates. Liara is to valuable to risk on combat missions so shes reasearching in her cabin and garrus is the acting commander on deck. there is a squard rotation there between garrus, edi and james.

Tali - you dont want her on the battle field since she could easily die fron infection

As for ashley. shes a drunk slob who should have been left with hacket.

Just because they're vulnerable, doesn't mean Quarians can't fight, she's one of the most valuable squadmates with her energy drain and drone(s). I've went through every mission form ME1 to 3 only with her and Garrus as squadmates, they're the perfect team.

And I've gone through every mission of ME2 with Miranda and Jacob in a playthrough on insanity and did just fine as well.

Miranda's passive, along with her warp, slam, and overload pretty much make her suitable for any mission. If only she were less squishy on higher levels... that said, I think she's the best squadmate. 

Which leads me to:

Don't substitute gameplay mechanics for actual prowess. Tali is not going to be a better combatant than your average Marine or Soldier. I know Miranda isn't going to be doing better than DM or assault gunner. Remember, it's gameplay mechanics. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...
inb4 MassivelyDeffective throws insults@Tali

So you get really pissed off at me and judge me because I don't like your waifu and the Quarians and based on an insult that wasn't even directed towards you in a separate thread? Real great.

Who said I was mad?

I just think it's funny you judge the quarians so harshly when your own standards as a human are 10x times worse than any quarian we meet in-game.

I just think it's fascinating. 

That's because the Quarians are just plain stupid. There's no excuse for constant stupidity.

If you're talking about Cerberus, then you'd also be talking in a different context. What are the actions? Why are the actions being performed? Is there a methodology? What are the goals? How are the actions being performed?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 22 juin 2013 - 03:13 .

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's because the Quarians are just plain stupid. There's no excuse for constant stupidity.

- Says the guy that romances Miranda... 

[Farangbaa]

The Quarians, as a whole, are stupid.

Tali isn't. Nor is that guy you have to/can save in ME3 (forgot his name)

[Matthias King]

I thought about that a lot back when I was playing ME1 for the first couple of times, and there were times when a squadmate that I didn't have with me for a mission would comment about it as if they were there.

It confused me a bit and I thought about that for a while and then came to the conclusion that you have to ignore it and pretend that most or all of the squad was present for most or all missions.

In ME1, big missions such as Therum, Noveria, and Feros, I could definitely see Liara, Garrus, Wrex, Tali, Ashley and Kaidan all being there. And in the cutscenes for Virmire, everyone is clearly present. You could imagine it that maybe part of the team goes with Ashley or Kaidan, and the others come with Shepard.

And on Ilos and then the assualt on Saren at the Citadel, can you imagine any reason why Shepard WOULDN'T take everyone? I sure can't.

In terms of actual gameplay, it's a limitation of the game engine and resources and perhaps controls, but narratively, I think there's no way that the squad isn't all on hand for most missions.

From a purely narrative perspective, I imagine most missions actually play out much like Suicide Mission where everyone is there. They may split up into teams with different objectives or they might all stick together, depending on the mission, but I don't believe for a second that Shepard wouldn't opt to take more than two squadmates with him/her to Horizon or the Collector Ship or the Derelict Reaper.

In ME2 the squad was huge, so Shepard probably didn't take everyone on every mission, but he/she almost certainly never took only two squadmates. Three at minimum just for the bare minimum of small squad tactics.

The only times I think Shepard would have taken only two squadmates would have been on Freedom's Progress where all he/she had was Miranda and Jacob. After that, depending on what order you do the missions in, I imagine he/she took everyone with him/her up until Horizon, except Mordin, because he has a legitimate reason to be left behind, working on countermeasures.

Missions like helping Thane's son Kolyat or helping Samara trap Morinth certainly don't require the whole squad, and in cases like that, I imagine the squadmates left behind carry on about their lives aboard the ship much the same way they did the rest of the time. Calibrating, or getting food in the mess hall, or hanging out somewhere on the ship or in the lounge during ME3, or in the case of the mission to help Kolyat, while Shepard and Thane are taking care of that, some of the squad could be on the Citadel taking care of personal stuff, restocking gear and supplies, just hanging out in the wards, or whatever.

But big combat missions, I imagine Shepard brings a good sized squad.

Modifié par Matthias King, 22 juin 2013 - 03:19 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's because the Quarians are just plain stupid. There's no excuse for constant stupidity.

- Says the guy that romances Miranda... 

Troll responses and non answers, eh?

Don't ever change.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Psychevore wrote...

The Quarians, as a whole, are stupid.

Tali isn't. Nor is that guy you have to/can save in ME3 (forgot his name)

Koris. I'd actually agree with you there. Tali is one of the Quarians that sees reason actually.

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's because the Quarians are just plain stupid. There's no excuse for constant stupidity.

- Says the guy that romances Miranda... 

Troll responses and non answers, eh?

Don't ever change.

Trolling? No... lol

Again, funny how you claim all quarwaidnnas are stupid, yet you pick Miranda as an LI.

Just fascinating is all... 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's because the Quarians are just plain stupid. There's no excuse for constant stupidity.

- Says the guy that romances Miranda... 

Troll responses and non answers, eh?

Don't ever change.

Trolling? No... lol

Again, funny how you claim all quarwaidnnas are stupid, yet you pick Miranda as an LI.

Just fascinating is all... 

Against my better judgement, I'll take the bait. Care to explain why choosing Miranda over Tali everytime is bad?

You're making a claim with no argument to support it.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 22 juin 2013 - 03:27 .

[dreamgazer]

Dextro Milk wrote...

Again, funny how you claim all quarwaidnnas are stupid, yet you pick Miranda as an LI.

I'm sorry, the what?

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Against my better judgement, I'll take the bait. Care to explain why choosing Miranda over Tali everytime is bad?

Lol, it's not.

There is no logical reason to say picking Miranda as an LI is stupid. 

(It's called trolling) 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Against my better judgement, I'll take the bait. Care to explain why choosing Miranda over Tali everytime is bad?

Lol, it's not.

There is no logical reason to say picking Miranda as an LI is stupid. 

(It's called trolling) 

That's what I figured. 

Don't ever change.

[Dextro Milk]

dreamgazer wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

Again, funny how you claim all quarwaidnnas are stupid, yet you pick Miranda as an LI.

I'm sorry, the what?

Subdivision of Quarians.

Political party consisting of more than 58% of the Fleet.

(Yes, I just made that up...) 

[Erez Kristal]

Taking miranda with you everytime is risky for the mission. you shouldnt be putting all your eggs in one basket. there are better combatants with no extra value you can take with you.

Miranda is too valuable.

[AresKeith]

erezike wrote...

Taking miranda with you everytime is risky for the mission. you shouldnt be putting all your eggs in one basket. there are better combatants with no extra value you can take with you.

Miranda is too valuable.

I didn't know you can permanently lose a squadmate after every mission

[Sir DeLoria]

erezike wrote...
What do you do when her suit as a small tear, how do you keep her from dying to the infections.
I also deem her to be a uniqe specialist for special operations just like mordin and liara. you do not risk your specailists for grunt missions.
Vega is expendable and edi is repairable.

In me 1 you had two grunts, ashley and wrex. and two combat specialists kaiden and garrus.

me 2 you had grunts - zaheed, jacob. grunt, samara, jack.
combat specialists - garrus, legion, kasumi, thane
Important staff - miranda. mordin and tali.

Tali follows the Quarian combat marine doctrine, that means bathing in anti-biotics before every mission. Thus, as long as the mission doesn't take multiple days, she's fine even if her suit is breached. As I said, she's one of the best squadmates in the series, not taking her would be a waste of potential.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

erezike wrote...
What do you do when her suit as a small tear, how do you keep her from dying to the infections.
I also deem her to be a uniqe specialist for special operations just like mordin and liara. you do not risk your specailists for grunt missions.
Vega is expendable and edi is repairable.

In me 1 you had two grunts, ashley and wrex. and two combat specialists kaiden and garrus.

me 2 you had grunts - zaheed, jacob. grunt, samara, jack.
combat specialists - garrus, legion, kasumi, thane
Important staff - miranda. mordin and tali.

Tali follows the Quarian combat marine doctrine, that means bathing in anti-biotics before every mission. Thus, as long as the mission doesn't take multiple days, she's fine even if her suit is breached. As I said, she's one of the best squadmates in the series, not taking her would be a waste of potential.

I'm going to go ahead and directly say that I think you're letting your love for Tali cloud your judgement when you make statements like "She's the the best squadmate in the series." That's an objective statement based on an opinon, one I definitely do not share.

I'm not wasting anything by leaving her on the ship perpetually. That's what I bring her for. She's an expert mechanic. Not a marksman. Not a leader. Not a soldier. She's much better off down in the engine room than on the battlefield. And if her suit gets breached, the anti-biotics are no guarantee that she'll survive if she gets infected. All it does is give her a stronger chance.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 22 juin 2013 - 03:51 .

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's because the Quarians are just plain stupid. There's no excuse for constant stupidity.

If you're talking about Cerberus, then you'd also be talking in a different context. What are the actions? Why are the actions being performed? Is there a methodology? What are the goals? How are the actions being performed?

I think it's funny, that you talk about Quarian stupidity and fails, when Cerberus has failed epicly on nearly everything they've ever done. Even their grunts act like the The 3 Stooges. The only thing they've ever done right, was reviving Shep and building the SR2.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's because the Quarians are just plain stupid. There's no excuse for constant stupidity.

If you're talking about Cerberus, then you'd also be talking in a different context. What are the actions? Why are the actions being performed? Is there a methodology? What are the goals? How are the actions being performed?

I think it's funny, that you talk about Quarian stupidity and fails, when Cerberus has failed epicly on nearly everything they've ever done. Even their grunts act like the The 3 Stooges. The only thing they've ever done right, was reviving Shep and building the SR2.

I disagree. I think they've done very well for a lot of their experiments and programs. The reason several failed was due to Shepard's intervention, external factors, and, yes, carelessness in some instances. There were the successes too. Check the codex. Check the SB Dossier. How useful do you think backtracking the Reaper signal would have been? It was successful afterall. Or information on the Derelict Reaper? Despite the demise of that cell due to indoctrination, they were successful in their mission. 

Meanwhile, the Quarians, after 300 years in exile about what happened between them and the Geth show that they really learned nothing in that time. Can you explain that? I really think you're trying to give Quarians more credit than they're worth.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 22 juin 2013 - 03:58 .

[David7204]

It's so stupid that humans fight in this game. Krogan should do all the fighting since humans are so vulnerable! Bad-writing-plot-hole!

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'm going to go ahead and directly say that I think you're letting your love for Tali cloud your judgement when you makestatements like "She's the the best squadmate in the series." That's an objective statement based on an opinon, one I definitely do not share.

I'm not wasting anything by leaving her on the ship perpetually. That's what I bring her for. She's an expert mechanic. Not a marksman. Not a leader. Not a soldier. She's much better off down in the engine room than on the battlefield. And if her suit gets breached, the anti-biotics are no guarantee that she'll survive if she gets infected. All it does is give her a stronger chance.

That's personal opinion. She fits my playstyle well and compensates for my build's weaknesses. I don't like to play with Miranda, but I don't care if she's your favourite. Jacob was a good tank, but his "throwin ma barrier!" and "nobody can hurts me now!" really got on my nerves.

[Erez Kristal]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's because the Quarians are just plain stupid. There's no excuse for constant stupidity.

If you're talking about Cerberus, then you'd also be talking in a different context. What are the actions? Why are the actions being performed? Is there a methodology? What are the goals? How are the actions being performed?

I think it's funny, that you talk about Quarian stupidity and fails, when Cerberus has failed epicly on nearly everything they've ever done. Even their grunts act like the The 3 Stooges. The only thing they've ever done right, was reviving Shep and building the SR2.

This is off topic

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

It's so stupid that humans fight in this game. Krogan should do all the fighting since humans are so vulnerable! Bad-writing-plot-hole!

And what's this directed at?

[David7204]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's so stupid that humans fight in this game. Krogan should do all the fighting since humans are so vulnerable! Bad-writing-plot-hole!

And what's this directed at?

The idea that Tali is stupid for entering combat.